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There is a promoter here in the state of Oklahoma who is looking and thinking about paying a big show for the champ sprints. It will be at least two days and I am trying to get him to pay something like $2500 the first night and $5000 the second night. Either way I am trying to get money paid on both nights with the second day payday alot bigger.

His question is this, would you do like the modified and stock car guys and pay an entry fee for something like this?

Please vote yes or no.

David Smith Jr.
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Such a payout would be a good shot in the arm for the champ sprints. If the entry fee / purse payout from the middle of the pack and back is anything like the modified purses I see when an entry fee is required, there won't be enough cars paying enough entry fees to make it work.

For example: when I see an entry fee for $100 but the payout is $150 for the A-Main for some positions, you wont get the amount of cars needed to pay the front runners. Now, if there is a solid payout down the field where a team is running for more than a $100 - $150 "Net", that's a new ballgame.

I agree

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This year or is this for next year? Can you give any hint to what track this would be be at.

Next year and he is just trying to see the interest (which I told him there would be-especially if paid a little the first night) and to see if sprint guys would pay a entry fee. Would not be proper for me to mention the track or promoter until he wants it known - if he wants it known.

I told him OCRS rules for OCRS type, OKC rules for OKC type and possibly URSS rules for URSS type - no mixing and matching of rules. Which means I can't run part OCRS and OKC rules it would be one type or another and would have to tech and tech again.

Thoughts on this?

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I would like add an opinion on this deal. If you are going to run champs then you do not need the URSS guys. I am fully aware that the champs could out run the URSS guys but lets make sure if is says champs keep it at champs.

If you let the URSS run with the champs then change it to a sprint car invitational.

Really, it comes down to word usage more than anything.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

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Here is the deal in a nut shell you cant run diff rules for the champs for one OCRS runs a smaller carb than what was allowed in OKC. Yes you do need the URSS for they were a good part of the Enid race last year to get that 40 car count. Lets not for get what alot of people who dont own cars dont think about, WHAT TRACK WOULD IT BE WHY YOU SAY WOULD THIS MAKE A DIFF ON HOW MANY CARS WILL BE THERE. HERE IS THE ANSWER (TIRES) LOOK AT LIKE THIS LAST YEAR ENID ENTRY FEE 200.00 IF YOU WENT TO THE RACE AND STAYED AROUND AFTER A FEW PEOPLE LEFT THE PIT AREA WHAT DID YOU SEE 100'S OF????? (TIRES) AND MORE (TIRES) I RACED THIS RACE LAST YEAR 4 AND HALF SETS OF TIRES IS WHAT IT TOOK AND THAT WAS NEW TIRES BC A USED TIRE WOULDNT MAKE IT TRU HOT LAPS. SO TOTAL COST TO RACE 13 TIRES AT AVER 180.00 A TIRE =2340.00 + 200.00 INTR FEE + PIT PASSES + FUEL YOUR LOOK-IN ABOUT 3000.00 TO JUST KEEP UP !!!!!!!! THIS IS NOT JUST ENID, ADA, OUTLAW, ARE ALL KNOWN TO EAT TIRES... NOW TAKE A LOOK AT THE SMALLER TRACKS CREEK, SOUTH COFFEYVILLE, WELL PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PISSED WITH CREEK ALL YEAR CANT PASS BLA BLA BLA... OK SO WHAT TRACKS ARE LEFT OLD MUSKOGEE LETS SEE WE HAD ALMOST 40 CARS WITH JUST A NORMAL OCRS PAY TRACK WAS GOOD ALL NIGHT OK WHAT IS THE DOWN SIDE ?? ITS HARD ON MOTORS AND ALOT DONT WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE TO RACE THERE..... SO HERE WE ARE BACK TO WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO GET A CAR COUNT LIKE PEOPLE HAVENT SEEN IN 10 TO 15 YEARS..... A TRACK THATS RACYYY WONT EAT TIRES AND WONT SEE 4 TO 5 MOTORS GO UP IN SMOKE EVERY NIGHT O AND DONT FORGET NOT TO FAR FROM OKC BECAUSE AS MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO RUN OCRS KNOW OKC GUYS DONT LIKE TO TRAVEL!!! !!!! SO I ASK YOU WHERE IS THIS PLACE AT???? YOU FIND IT AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET OVER 55 TO 60 SPRINTS WOULD SHOW UP........ YEP ITS JUST THAT EASY....RIGHT????

Not trying to pimp anyone but in your post it sounds as if Brill's is the answer to you question.

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in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

It seems as if there are two or five battles going on. We have, all the track promoters at every track dictating rules for their track, and we also have sanctioning bodies each with their own set of rules.

How in the world do all of you Sanctioning bodies and track promoters expect to get any kind of car count without a common set of rules for your region. It is asinine to think "well if we put this rule in place, we are guarteed the locals will come here" or "if a Sanctioning Body says you can only run this spec. tire, this cfm carb, this intake to be legal at our events"

If all rules were common, there would be no question.

I'm just trying to point out the fact that Racers are Racers and they will go to any track that they are legal and do not have to purchase extras to come race.

Car counts are down at all tracks in our region, mostly because of the separation of rules between promoters. You cannot hold a race that says all cars are equal as long as you pay the entry fee, that is absurd and will never work. How many Tech guys (lol) would you have to have on hand for each class to even try something like that. Most tracks do not even have Qualifeid Tech support to police the infractions.

Shoot even the 305 guys are pissed at each other in regards to rules.

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in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

I see the pit side of this deal is well documented and covered but what about the grandstand side of this big race???. Where and how do u get the fans to show up because more than likely it will require travel for them as well and what are ya gonna charge for a 2 day show. Lot of money for the fans to spend as well.

Do ya do the numbers game like C Ray does and charge $9 a person or try the $10 car load deal or do ya try the $20+ dollar route and see what happens and hope the fans show up. Best I can remember that big crowds were at the $9 each and $10 Car Load deals , only place I seen with a full house that charged a big price at the gate was Lucas Oil Speedway and hell I'd pay full price to get into that place again. It is frickin awesome.

The Promoter has gotta make some $$$, So just a few more things to wonder about in these volatile times of Short Track Racing.

maybe its just me but seems to me that sometimes that the best way for a promotor and sometimes for some drivers is to have a 1 day show, 2 day shows are not always great, for the reason jdsprint71 brung up..a fan will have to travel 2 days to see racing if its a high admission well thats even harder for the fan..take the driver he has to book a room or do alot of travel with his/her family.. i have nothin invested in this cus i dont own a sprinter just saying lol..

and dont get me wrong 2 day shows are great but sometimes you can go "to big" and hurt the race your trying to promote more than help.

Mr. Chapa speaks wisdom in his statement.

I thought at 81 Sat. night had it right playing the numbers game with cheap admission, 1 night show for the Sprints, large field of cars and lots of butts in the seats and selling Hamburgers and Hot Dogs and frosty beverages all night long , concession lines were long in about all 6 lines from what I seen.That makes a promoter very happy I would imagine.

Not sure that is a good comparison JD....

There wasn't any races in the state this year that were worth $20......

Just sayin' thats a tilted comparison for any of us - considering all we saw this year was 8-10$ shows. It's not like there were any Super Nationals for mods or any ASCS National Tour shows........

Personally I think the above advertised purse is terrible. If you want to get all the champ sprints in the state out for a big champ sprint nationals - don't pay 5k to win. Pay 2k to win and load the bottome end of the purse up. The top teams in the state will be there whether it's 2k or 5k to win(regardless of how much posturing they would do to the contrary) - might as well make it 2k - load the bottom end up. Thats how you will get a MAJORITY of champ sprint teams in the state to show.

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I thought that $20 each we paid to get into Creek County to watch the TNT Sprint Bandits back in July was well worth it and the next night at LOS in Mizzou although it is out of the state. Hell is Lucas Oil Speedway and it is worth mentioning again.

I think your missing the point CCC, charge less and get more numbers/crowd , sell more Hot Dogs , Hamburgers , Sodas/Ice Tea and Frosty Beverages and whatever else you can think of to sell'em. Quality of a show can change from night to night, some nights it is all good and some nights there is a spin out and crash every other lap. You know that is just dirt racing when ya go a bunch, but if ya make it cheap enough then maybe folks are not so apt to go off on how bad it was and say just let's chalk it up to a bad night at the races. Like any other sport there are bad games and boring and so on.

Sure seemed to work pretty good this year the few times I seen it tried with the $10 Car Load deal at some weekly shows and keeping a Big Show like the NCRA at 81 last Sat. at $9 to get in , C Ray had a full house,paid a big purse in both classes and I believe that is why he gets it and understands the numbers game and the fans perspective to get'em to show up and spend the $$$.

Creativity is something promoters need to adopt and learn and I am not trying to keep singling C Ray out but just what I seen at the place and just observing what he is doing.

He has the grandstand window and pit window all in the same deal , you know racers usually get there way before the fans do and they were selling pit passes and grandstand tickets already when we got there at 5 and no line to wait in to get in. Again thinking and saying why do I want to make people who are coming to my race track and pay money to not wait in a line whether it be a race car or just a fan and I'd find a way to pay at least one person some cash to handle that task from say 2 or 3 in the afternoon on race day, sure worked out well last Sat. , No lines and no waiting and the concession stand was open and folks under car ports eating and having a great time. Even makes time for drivers to come to the grandstand side and get some food or whatever and not be waiting in a long pit pass line.

I thought the car ports he has purchased is a great idea , it was for his sponsors to have a cookout Sat. night but I bet the fans use them as well on other nights , A couple of them over an gravel floor and makes a pretty cheap deal for the fans/racers to get some food at the concession stand and then go sit in the shade and eat.

Kind of reminded me of the old Tulsa Speedway days north of town , with those picnic tables out front of the concession stands and eating Charlie's Chk. and Strips and dam they were tasty and then 410's and 360's.

Still waiting for a racetrack to serve Chinese food at a dirt facility now that would be the ultimate in dining , they had it at TMS dirt track last time WoO was there and it was a sweet deal eating some brochooli and beef and rice and sweet and sour pork with a glass of Ice Tea and watching Sprint Cars circle the dirt at TMS.

Another thing is C Ray has a golf cart with a warmer and a cooler built on it and 2 people driving around the pit area selling food and beverages to drivers or whoever stops them. Again spur of the moment deal driver,crewman,owner stressed out and see the food cart driving by and boom he buys a burger and soda and promoter just made more money because he made it convienent for someone to buy something from him and say the owner gets some Ice Tea and seems to lessen the stress somewhat. They drove around the Infield and backstrech all night long selling food and drink.

I thought BMS free Hot Dog night earlier this year was a great idea, got someone to sponsor it and I got a couple and also bought a glass of Ice Tea, I thought that showed some creativity.

Sorry Mr. Smith did not mean to hijack the thread and get away from the voting on this deal I gave a CCC type response ,prolly to long.

It was brought too me that they asked about a $10,000 to win show and I told him he would get the same amount of cars for about half or three-fourths that purse. Told him instead of that big to win make it about $5k that last night and put the rest back in the field.

Again, not sure if he is definately going to do it but wanted to know if the sprint guys would pay an entry fee.

David Smith Jr.
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