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July 26, 2010 at
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First let me say that I live in Pa and love it when the locals beat the Outlaws.( The fans were going nuts when Hodnett came back to win). I read this message board every day. That being said, because of a FEW Posse Fan posters putting crap on this board everytime the Posse beats the Outlaws at Williams Grove, this whole board thinks the Pa fans are ALL like that and I am starting to resent it as I am sure many other Posse fans are as well. There is no doubt the Pa fans are passionate about this sport, but I am sure fans fron Ca, Ia, Oh etc feel the same way. We are very fortunate that we have a decent crop of good drivers and farely wealthy owners who can compete at a high level. The THEM vs Us mentality on this board is getting old. I have the utmost respect for ALL Sprint Car drivers no matter where they were born or where their car owner is from. I am sure we address this issue all over again come October when the Outlaws come back for the Williams Grove National Open!!!!
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July 26, 2010 at
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Great post. I think the WoO vs. PA Posse is great for sprint car racing. I have been to local WG shows & WG All Star shows and nothing beats the WoO shows three weekends per year. I had some fun debates with the Beer Hill gang as I am pro outlaws.
I am ooking forward to the Natiional Open in October. I think with the current PA Posse streak of 8 wins in a row, makes this race even more interesting!
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July 26, 2010 at
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4 straight Posse Driver wins in less than 1 week's time...YEAH THIS IS A GREAT TIME FOR A "POSSE FAN" TO BURY THEIR FACES IN SHAME - PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE THE LINE FORMS AND I WILL GET RIGHT ON THAT!
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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July 26, 2010 at
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Except, on this occasion, Esh was an Outlaw................no matter how you look at it, the R19 is not a Posse car, it is a WoO car. So, Esh was Outlaw............Posse win streak of two in a row done. Don't forget, at Lenerville, Saldana took the second feature and Schatz the overall win. 
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July 26, 2010 at
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July 26, 2010 at
10:53:17 AM by BTExpress
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Posted By: spot1 on July 26 2010 at 10:42:21 AM
Except, on this occasion, Esh was an Outlaw................no matter how you look at it, the R19 is not a Posse car, it is a WoO car. So, Esh was Outlaw............Posse win streak of two in a row done. Don't forget, at Lenerville, Saldana took the second feature and Schatz the overall win.
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Spot, I agree, the "RULES" have always been interpreted that a win follows the car owner, ie ( Walker with Keen, Hodnett with Kline, Pittman with Heffner, etc). But I can guarantee someone will come on here and say since the R19's engine was built in Pa ( Cappetta) and the driver was from Pa, 2 is greater than one and it is an Posse win. ( Ha Ha)
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July 26, 2010 at
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The Streak Continues!!!
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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July 26, 2010 at
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Spot1.... Wow... Now there's some logic??.Admit it...It was a POSSE win! A dominating POSSE win!!! Go Hammer!!!
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July 26, 2010 at
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The Streak
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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July 26, 2010 at
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Not a posse car, I get that, but it blows the theory of some that a driver from PA can't make it with the WoO. The WoO can have Esh for a little while to prove that point, we'll hang onto Walker and Pittman in the meantime
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July 26, 2010 at
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July 26, 2010 at
11:52:59 AM by buzzkill
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Posted By: BTExpress on July 26 2010 at 10:48:41 AM
Spot, I agree, the "RULES" have always been interpreted that a win follows the car owner, ie ( Walker with Keen, Hodnett with Kline, Pittman with Heffner, etc). But I can guarantee someone will come on here and say since the R19's engine was built in Pa ( Cappetta) and the driver was from Pa, 2 is greater than one and it is an Posse win. ( Ha Ha)
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"Rules", what freaking rules? It's pretty simple and I would say most people with common sense would view it this way: Despite where the owner or driver is from, where (or with whom) they predominantly run, is who most people would affiliate that driver or team.
Now that McCarl is "off the tour" and predominately runs Knoxville, if he were to win the Nationals, Knoxville fans will have every right to pound their chest as a "local" will have won. The Hammer has run PA all year, every year, so again "common sense" would call it a win for the Posse. If the Hammer ends up running the rest of the WoO schedule, well that may change people's take on the matter. These "debates" center on the drivers more than the cars. Despite Kevin Gobrecht's start in PA and in particular his start in 1999, few would consider his win at the HBO as a Posse win, because he was at the time of the win an Outlaw regular. The fact that he cut his teeth in Posseland, will and has certainly been used to refute the silly argument that Posse "never leaves the porch," "don't go on the road," "don't run with a series," etc. (See also Stevie Smith, who once again despite living elsewhere, predominately runs in PA). Hodnett, Pittman, Walker, Henderson have been claimed as Posse because this is where they predominately run. When they leave, well, I hope you get the picture.
TFCO
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July 26, 2010 at
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Posted By: spot1 on July 26 2010 at 10:42:21 AM
Except, on this occasion, Esh was an Outlaw................no matter how you look at it, the R19 is not a Posse car, it is a WoO car. So, Esh was Outlaw............Posse win streak of two in a row done. Don't forget, at Lenerville, Saldana took the second feature and Schatz the overall win.
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If a driver runs Pa on a regular basis, he is Posse. If he runs with the Outlaws on a regular basis he is Outlaw. That's the way i see it.
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July 26, 2010 at
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Posted By: buzzkill on July 26 2010 at 11:48:57 AM
"Rules", what freaking rules? It's pretty simple and I would say most people with common sense would view it this way: Despite where the owner or driver is from, where (or with whom) they predominantly run, is who most people would affiliate that driver or team.
Now that McCarl is "off the tour" and predominately runs Knoxville, if he were to win the Nationals, Knoxville fans will have every right to pound their chest as a "local" will have won. The Hammer has run PA all year, every year, so again "common sense" would call it a win for the Posse. If the Hammer ends up running the rest of the WoO schedule, well that may change people's take on the matter. These "debates" center on the drivers more than the cars. Despite Kevin Gobrecht's start in PA and in particular his start in 1999, few would consider his win at the HBO as a Posse win, because he was at the time of the win an Outlaw regular. The fact that he cut his teeth in Posseland, will and has certainly been used to refute the silly argument that Posse "never leaves the porch," "don't go on the road," "don't run with a series," etc. (See also Stevie Smith, who once again despite living elsewhere, predominately runs in PA). Hodnett, Pittman, Walker, Henderson have been claimed as Posse because this is where they predominately run. When they leave, well, I hope you get the picture.
TFCO
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If one of our guys didn't win it, I'd love to see McCarl win it as a local after the year he's had, couldn't be scripted better.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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July 26, 2010 at
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Posted By: BTExpress on July 26 2010 at 09:42:11 AM
First let me say that I live in Pa and love it when the locals beat the Outlaws.( The fans were going nuts when Hodnett came back to win). I read this message board every day. That being said, because of a FEW Posse Fan posters putting crap on this board everytime the Posse beats the Outlaws at Williams Grove, this whole board thinks the Pa fans are ALL like that and I am starting to resent it as I am sure many other Posse fans are as well. There is no doubt the Pa fans are passionate about this sport, but I am sure fans fron Ca, Ia, Oh etc feel the same way. We are very fortunate that we have a decent crop of good drivers and farely wealthy owners who can compete at a high level. The THEM vs Us mentality on this board is getting old. I have the utmost respect for ALL Sprint Car drivers no matter where they were born or where their car owner is from. I am sure we address this issue all over again come October when the Outlaws come back for the Williams Grove National Open!!!!
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The roar of the crowd when Schatz biffed it in the B says otherwise....
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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July 26, 2010 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on July 26 2010 at 12:06:11 PM
The roar of the crowd when Schatz biffed it in the B says otherwise....
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Yeah, noooo wayyyy you would get a loud ovation from the crowd at a WoO event anywhere (errrrr, should I say "everywhere" else if Schatz didn't transfer out of the B! C'mon man... Sammny and Schatz get that everywhere they race.
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July 26, 2010 at
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Cubic, what ya got in your lunch pail?  Twinkies?
TSA...It's not a GROPE...it's a Freedom Pat!
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Cubic, what ya got in your lunch pail? Twinkies?
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They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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July 26, 2010 at
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Posted By: deiter on July 26 2010 at 11:50:28 AM
If a driver runs Pa on a regular basis, he is Posse. If he runs with the Outlaws on a regular basis he is Outlaw. That's the way i see it.
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Oh hell no!... Common sense it frowned on with a lot of these boy's; so they just ignore it when they see it.
Hey Leon!... You and the cubic are getting a little to left, don't ya think? Way to many winks.LOL
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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July 26, 2010 at
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Big Fish...I'll watch that closely...and get back to the "right" where I belong! Ha
leon
TSA...It's not a GROPE...it's a Freedom Pat!
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FACT: the World of Outlaws drivers have a combined record of 3-5 in A main competition since they crossed the Ohio/Indiana border on July14th for the Brad Doty Classic...simple fact - no emotion added for dramatic effect...
...you can tell me all about "overall champions", replacement drivers, and what states the haulers are registered in, but the FACT remains the same...World of Outlaw drivers are 3-5 in A main competition since crossing the Ohio/Indiana border...
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This message was edited on
July 26, 2010 at
02:21:00 PM by minthess
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Posted By: BTExpress on July 26 2010 at 09:42:11 AM
First let me say that I live in Pa and love it when the locals beat the Outlaws.( The fans were going nuts when Hodnett came back to win). I read this message board every day. That being said, because of a FEW Posse Fan posters putting crap on this board everytime the Posse beats the Outlaws at Williams Grove, this whole board thinks the Pa fans are ALL like that and I am starting to resent it as I am sure many other Posse fans are as well. There is no doubt the Pa fans are passionate about this sport, but I am sure fans fron Ca, Ia, Oh etc feel the same way. We are very fortunate that we have a decent crop of good drivers and farely wealthy owners who can compete at a high level. The THEM vs Us mentality on this board is getting old. I have the utmost respect for ALL Sprint Car drivers no matter where they were born or where their car owner is from. I am sure we address this issue all over again come October when the Outlaws come back for the Williams Grove National Open!!!!
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This really is getting silly. If the competitors weren't stiffled by a huge stack of rules, this subject would have some real importance. The posse is winning now because everyone runs the same stuff. Why shouldn't Hodnett win? He is a previous WoO veteran. He got tired of getting whipped by the guys that are now ready for AARP so he came to PA. He drives a peice identicle to what half the WoO guys run and now camps in cental PA 51 weeks a year. A Memphis native driving an Ott chev Goodyear tired 1200 lb Maxim tiptoed on the bottom passed a Memphis native driving an Ott chev Goodyear tired 1200 lb Maxim. Wow!
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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