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Honestly, no one but the WoO can win Nationals. If any non-outlaw wins the finale, call me stupid. No matter where they are from...PA, CA, OH it does not matter.

The Posse always sends their best to Knoxville and they usually get around 2-3 in the feature. Last year was a treat...Stevie was unbelievable. But that won't happen this year. The Posse gets outclassed at Nationals, but so do the Ohio regulars and so do the Knoxville regulars.

Posse guys are fast, no doubt, I actually like seeing the the home-track guys run great and beat the outlaws, but the fans that think the Posse is the greatest thing, the greatest drivers, and so much better than the outlaws........you guys need to wake up. Theres no doubt that the Posse has awesome drivers, great equipment, everything they need to be competitive with the Outlaws, but let's see them go run 40-50 or so different tracks a year with the outlaws and see how they do then.

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bs......the Posse runs Knoxville once a year and have walked away with MORE THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE of wins over the years. Rahmer, Dewease, Hodnett, Smith, Shepard, etc, all have won races at Knoxville as well as Lernerville, Charlotte and Florida. The Posse is competitive wherever they go. 8-0 vs the Outlaws, 21-0 vs the All Stars baby. I'd be bitter too if I were you...lol.

MSPN steaming about "The Streak"

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

The World of Outlaws went back to two lap qualifying no matter the car count at the start of 2010. The tracks have nothing to do with it. The drivers I spoke to after the Friday night show at the Grove (including a couple of Posse drivers) told me they'd rather take their chances with the draw than have only one shot at cutting a perfect time trial lap.

TFCO pittmanfan!

lets all agree on one thing though. Without arguing about who will win, i am glad i am saving my money for 4 days at the nationals rather than sitting with the 750 people at the brickyard right now!!!

You know for a long time a couple of years now, I have agreed with alot of your posts, but lately you seem to be getting a little more ignorant than in years past. I hope everything is OK for you as I am worried about your mental state and emotional outbursts.

The WoO's "one trick pony" has dominated ALL of sprintcar racing for the last 4 years, but has been really good for about 10 years now, now it seems Donny is not having a dominate year and everybody says he's done, too fat, gone gimp, lazy eye etc....Rediculous, everyone racer has an off year, it just so happens that Joey, Myers and Steve are having better years, thus far.

As far as Kinser not being able to pull a slider anymore, well, thats plain ignorant and foolish, no doubt Steve stepped on his pecker but it happens to everyone, even the best sprint car racer of all time. Or did you forget that?

Saldana has struggled at the Grove, but so has a lot of great sprint car drivers, get over it. Joey has been rocket fast for the last couple of years and I don't see him letting up anytime soon.

Williams Grove is one of the few tracks in the World that give the best all they can handle, running their in a weekly basis has got to account for something, no? Then you throw in a few former Outlaw drivers, a few track champions a couple of former All Star guys and the winningest driver all time there and well...you gonna have your hands full.

The older I get, the faster I used to be.

All 4 days of the nationals will not have 1/2 the fans that are at the Brickyard today!!

That said my butt will be in the stands at Osky and Knoxville.

lol...I'm a lot tamer now, you should have been around during Kinser's National Sprint Tour fiasco. Bass Pro Shops sells some pretty fancy canes, after that move on Layton, the 11 car might need to think about running one...lol. http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_10001_10209177____SearchResults

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

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Thanks for the perspective, singlefile. I know many a Posse team traveled to Knoxville and sometimes we forget how expensive it is to travel these days, much less bring the kind of equipment necessary to compete.

I don't intend to demean the Posse, I wish I lived close to so much good 410 racing. I just wish we could see all of the Posse's best come to Iowa, but I understand why many don't make the trip.

I've always like Greg Hodnett, so it was good to hear him win. I'd love to see him win in Knoxville in three weeks.

Is this heaven?  
No, it's Iowa....Knoxville, Iowa.

Yeah...I'm pretty bitter considering I live in Pennslyvania and am at the Grove every Friday night...

Weather related issues was announced both nights in May.

i know there were probably 150,000 fans at the brickyard today, i was slightly exaggerating. still, fan counts in nascar way, way down. They shot themselves in the foot trying to do things for the owners pocket books (COT car for example) and now are playing catch up getting fans back. and oh yeah, Jr. sucks thats not helping the fan base. My point, im glad to be going to the nationals for my 8th year and not to a nascar race! looks like I'm not alone

I guess I'll throw my two cents in.

I'm a sprint car driver that gets to race at the most 10 races a year. So, basically every time I get into the car and on the track, the feeling is very foreign. It takes a while to adjust to the speed, jerkyness, and the track.

I rarely get to race at the same track more than once, but when I do, I feel so much more comfortable in the car and on the track, and my results prove that.

After saying that, the more I race at one track, the less admiration I have for racers who get to race at the race track every week. The Posse should be great at the Grove. They race their every damn week. Their cars are just as good as the Outlaws. They won at the Grove, big deal. Everyone of them should have lapped the entire Outlaw gang.

Thats why I admire the Outlaws so much more. And I've always said, if Schatz or Kinser would have been born in PA, no one would have ever of heard of Dewease and Rahmer.

And the more impressive stat about last nights race: the Top 4 were born in TN.... Too bad the Memphis Mafia's gang chat on the Midsouth Forum, than this one. I'm pretty sure they might have some interesting things to say about last nights race...

Brandon McLain
United Sprint Car Series Driver
2014 Season
National Rookie of the Year!
National Points - 8th
Southern Points - 3rd
Asphalt Points - 3rd
18 Races, 3 Top 5's, 14 Top 10's

Not to discount the fact that teams like KKR have unlimited budgets and engine, tire, seven post rig and wind tunnel testing, but Dewease kicked their ass at Lernerville where he hardly ever runs as handily as he did at Williams Grove.

The Posse advantage is they have to race their way from midpack every weekend to make a living. Time trial racing where the biggest budgets just drag race off the front row is what makes the WoO soft.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Schatz and Kinser know the Grove like the back of their hand.

I realize this board is more or less about hyping up/tearing down whether it be WoO, Posse, Knoxville, McCarl etc... and not really about reasonable observations, but here are a few attempted reasonable observations from me.

- I know it's to stir the sh*t, but the Outlaws taking 3 of the top 4 both nights can hardly be called a Posse a** whooping. Certainly not like the May and July races of last year. Also, to far less hoopla on this board, Dale Blaney (1) and Brooke Tatnell (2) are 'locals' who beat the Outlaws this year. That's 7 times a non-regular has beaten them in about 40 races.

- Without the open red, Hodnett likely finishes out of the top 10 last night. But without open reds, Steve Kinser doesn't have 550+ WoO wins either. I can't count the amount of times Karl Kinser took a 3rd place car and turned it into a rocket after an open red. Can't discount how fast he was at the end just because he was helped by the open red.

- Why the hell don't the Posse (not all of them, but the bigger budget teams) travel to Virginia, or Lebanon Valley after the Grove races? Racing for $3k versus $10k makes no sense to me. Never been adequately explained, it's not points, and it's not for lack of money.

- This weekend was the worst run Outlaw show in recent memory. B Main fuel stops, A Mains getting over around 11 45, countless restarts for questionable jumping the start penalties. I hope it's a better program in October.

Cubes, the irrefutable point he is trying to make, is that the Posse (short of Stevie getting a 3rd last yr, and is a guy from Broken Arrow, OK who runs just as many All Star races as PA races really Posse?) while having some success in prelims in years past, ALWAYS go to the back when the money is on the line on Saturday. This doesn't diminish the Grove success, but it does put it in perspective, and totally refutes your 'World of Also Ran' nonsense. Every Posse driver calls the Outlaws 'the best in the business' and rightly so.