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would post results........but most of the time you couldn't see the cars through the dust.

Track looked like the entire Tulsa Shootout had been run on it by the start of the first heat. no moisture at all. ph but plenty of dust. pitiful evening of racing.

You would think the first night of a 2 day show they would try to get more moisure in the track. I mean, now what should be expected tomorrow night? more of the same one would have to think - and the dust will be even worse with the wind out of the east (blowing into the stands).

Clinton and Meeker both face east as well - so a fair amount of dirt will probably be eaten there as well.........BUT - at least at those 2 shows there will probably be some really good racing. Nothing worse than watching a shitty race is a dust storm

btw - have they chased everyone off or what? it takes an ascs2 just to get a respectable field. a whole lotta people staying away.

and before anyone says economy - thats just an excuse for "I have a shitty rulebook that I won't even pay a tech guy to enforce" - of course the costs are completely out of control. When there are 10k plus motors out there (probably even more) and you're racing for a couple hundred to win.......what do you expect? I'll tell you what not to expect........B FEATURES!!!!

economy.....lol. what some may not realize, and others maybe do, is that.......economy is the reason. This sport is run in about the same bullshit way our economy has been for a long time. a huge lack of oversight, regulation, and rules. Even the rules they do have in the probably way outdated rulebooks.......are scarcely enforced.

Can't help but say it again - the true fundamental costs of this sport that have been largely ignored are going to keep biting tracks in the ass. You can only blame economy so much when your rules (or lack thereof) allow tens of thousands to be spent while you are only willing to pay less than 1% of that to win the god damn race. I think a majority of promoters are using "economy" as an excuse to what the problem really is. incompetence and greed.

the irony is all the lower budgeted teams have largely been pushed out - so to change the rules now - many of the higher ended teams would pout with bruised weiners and cry about it. they dont want their money advantage taken away. its hard to look at the numbers/facts and think there is a bright future. In my own opinion, I would rather see the costs cut to 50-25% of what they are now and sacrifice a few tenths of a second lap times and see large fields - than sacrifice over half the field (and the long term future of this sport) so that the cars can go a few tenths faster. It's not up to drivers or builders to do this. It's up to the promoter and his/her rulebook to make the right changes and to stay on top of it as time goes by.

Probably not many that like this opinion. and for good reason. It runs completely against the established order of things in this sport. Completely against how things are being done. I don't care for the deep wallets mommy and daddy has (only way to get in this sport these days), I don't care for the mega motors these engine builders are building - but most of all - deeply disappointing that the majority of promoters dont use the power they have to keep both of those things in check. people with money will spend it if the rules allow it to be spent. they will. engine builders just build what their client asks for. legal or illegal doesn't mean anything to them and rightfully so. they just build what the customer wants. Where the positive changes could happen in this sport is are with 3 things. The promoter, his rulebook, and his commitment to enforcing it. Posturing aside - where does this REALLY happen? I dont see it.

This isnt all about I-44. This applies to most, if not all, tracks. Some are doing a lot better than others. For some the chickens are already coming home to roost - for others that are better established, they will surely run into this someday as well. In micro racing - you see a track like Port City doing very well - but what happens if Claremore, I-44, Ft. Cobb aren't there anymore? good question. Most would say "ok, but there is still Port City". But there is only 1 port city - there are a lot of micro fans outside of port city - what happens to them? go to port city? not really feasible for most. there definitely wouldn't be any traveling series like ASCS2. not really. And like I said, this applies not just to micro racing - but most of dirt track racing. Consolidation sounds good and nice...........but only for those on the positive end of it. and when the same logistical problems that took out the other tracks - hits that track...................then what? not saying all of these places will shut down tomorrow but.....when you think about the big picture of things - its hard not to think WTF.

i'd love to keep chasing this but got to sleep now.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

I dont see how you called last nights racing, Shitty. I will admit it was dusty, we watered and watered that track it just keep soaking it up. We had some great racing last night most of the drivers i talked to said it was an awesome track.

David Foley

David Foley

"Just let me make it to the Dirt Track.. Truck then u 
can break down!!!"

We have raced there for the last 7 years. One of the worst tracks EVER! Hopful Kirk will get it fixed.

Money isn't everything, but it sure keeps your kids 
close!

Sand usually soaks up water.

It definitely went from one extreme to the other. The track was great last weekend, but was a dust bowl Friday.

I would think that a majority of the drivers would prefer last weekend's track to this one. I know that the people watching would.

Didnt see Morgans car out there whats up? Matt ran great last night

David Foley

"Just let me make it to the Dirt Track.. Truck then u 
can break down!!!"

I could allow that I am maybe being a little harsh......but if anything its actually a hidden complement. for over 90% of the shows I've seen at I-44 under Kirk have been extremely good - I mean - the tracks were good and tacky and not to rough. So yeah to see what we did last night - on the first leg of a 2 day show no less......was an extreme let down.

to call last night great racing. I'll respect your opinion - but I could not possibly disagree more. That place is best when its tacky - and yeah it can still be good dry too. but at its best - if they can get it tacky but not too rough - is just perfect there. Last night wasnt even one of those good dry race tracks. It was just pitiful awful racing. I commented when I walked in and took my seat during the multi heats - that I might just as well should walk back out. Honestly man - you could tell it would 1 groove single file racing by the end of the night once the top groove went away. and lo and behold lol - it was.

The racing last night was nowhere near as good as when that track has moisture. I can relate that the drivers not be pissed - by all rights it wasnt real rough and I am sure they liked that. but - cant believe they would think it awesome - after the multi race it was completely single file in 1 groove. very boring.

but on the flip side. hearing promoter worked his tail off on it last night and today is positive. obviously he wasnt happy with how it turned out. I know NO ONE in the stands were. and a few of the drivers down by the concession weren't happy with it either. point is - it could and should be so much better.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

track was awesome tonight! Good job Kirk, Morgan was in Flordia at Disney World w/her mom

Money isn't everything, but it sure keeps your kids 
close!

I think Friday night's track was a product of constant wind for three days, not a lack of preparation. The track was VERY dusty Friday, but it was still smooth and that can't be said of previous seasons at I-44. I didn't like having our car on such a dusty track, but at least I wasn't worried about it bouncing out of the park.

Tonight's track was great not only due to the track prep but also because the wind wasn't as strong today.

Just keep it smooth.

What, no results from Sat night, OKCFan? Come on, man!

Let's Go Racin'!!

Yah, and quit being a cry baby. Or get your ass out there and prep the track yourself.

Also, while I'm on your ass.... I thought that Creek was a good race a few weeks ago when ASCS was there. The guys I talked to thought the track raced the same. I did too. Wider straights and a guard rail in the first set of turns are the only changes. The show was done at a decent hour. What do you know? I know you have your oppinion but you get on here and bash all the freaking time. Knock it off !!! That aint cool.

Great track Saturday!! Good job Kirk.

Money isn't everything, but it sure keeps your kids 
close!

Sorry Wes. That was intended for Cody.

Lol!

Let's Go Racin'!!

that is a very ignorant opening statement. sounds like something some stupid ass slackjawed yocal would spew out. But I don't take you for that at all. not really. Its just an ignorant and asinine statement. Or to put it this way so you may get it - promoting is a business. Promoters put stuff together and charge money to customers lookin to purchase that experience. Now when its absolute shit - a paying customer has the right to take mild exception to it and even to state it as such. If a promoter/businessman put out a shit product and those that bought were unhappy - if he said something like that to them........he would not be very succesful and probably would not last long. hence why I say - ignorant statement.

On the same token - when Lanny Edwards put a few swamp tracks together a couple years back - who was on here pissing and moaning and slamming it? yeah.........YOU. so the statement is as hypocritical as it is ignorant.

Moving on, not sure what you are talkin bout with Creek. I thought the ASCS show was really good too. We had a fine time. Now - the opener was a completely different story - and I don't think you were there for that one. When I speak of issues I believe Creek to have - doesn't mean I think good racing is impossible there - just that it could be better. consistently better. turn 1 and 2's banking? be that as it may - I would be just to see them remove the lincoln logs in the infield and cut down the very lengthy yellows and the total time of the show. They have struggled mightily with this. But I'm not too pessimistic about it. I believe Jackie Green will get a better handle on things and will take those little yellow bad ideas out. As for turn 1 and 2 - yeah I'd like to see it have more banking. but it is a little early for doom and gloom. I heard the NCRA Late Models put a good show on it. thats good. I do hope the weekly gets under better control than what I have both seen and read. But still - not sure what you are getting at exactly - i and my company thought the ascs show was very good. had a good time. Although I do think you would be whistlin a much different tune about Creek had it been Joe Jr. gettin his car destroyed by the those lil yellow monsters like Donnie Ray did. You and many others.

Lastly, I'm not on here all the time Dale. and critical even less. I'll take what I know over the picture you are trying to paint. A year ago I was on here less than I used to be - on even less than that now. much more content to be positive and read the different goings on and also look at other things dirt track racin or not on the net. I get it - I have a reputation that preceeds me. I understand that. But as time keeps going by I am on here less and less - and just posting less, reading more. I'm not here bashing all the time, or even often. That is an exaggeration on your part.

btw - were you even at I-44 friday night? lol...........exactly. what do you know about that? look I know you like the dry tracks - but it wasnt dry-good. I've seen many a good race on dry tracks - but you know its bad when you see an update from the touring series in town right smack between back to back shows stating what the promoter is doing to "fix the track". Don't see where you get off telling me what I should think about a show you weren't even at.........
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completely unconnected with the former. Friday night was terrible show. But if I am to be critical of that (and rightfully so) - then what transpired saturday at I-44 was worthy of extreme commendation. Saturday was a fantastic show. good moisture in the track and through the night as it did slick off somewhat - never any dust. It's actually a compliment that i was so disappointed (we all were) with fridays show. Berkley has consistently put great tracks together and with the ASCS2 in town - expectations were high. It didn't work out well. But a good promoter and good businessman - Kirk Berkley didn't talk no shit up to anybody, made few excuses - he did what a good businessman does. He went out and busted his ass and fixed it and made it better. And we were very thankful and appreciative for his efforts. Saturday was a great track and great show. shows like saturday is why I really like I-44. great track that can feature some incredible racing. I was just as thrilled saturday as I was disappointed friday. So thank you to the Berkley's for working hard to turn the tables and put on a great show saturday night. We look forward to the next even we attend there. also - its really great to the Berkley's workin hard promoting the track. not something seen very often around here. It's really great to see a track actually trying to really promote. the drawings and stuff are great. And the kids seemed to really like the hay ride around the track. i think that was a hit. good promoting. I think the entire stands and I would guess the pits as well - was very happy with saturdays show and activities. Thanks again to the Berkley's for workin hard to put on quality racing. I really hope they get rewarded through the year with both more fans in the stands (which honestly compared to recent times under former promoters - the stands are def. startin to consistently get more and more) and also in the pits. Really hope the fields get a little bigger. sure its all a work in progress but as a fan its great to see the effort and hard work.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

hehe. I'm glad you enjoyed that........hehehehehehe

figures eh lol. I wasted a good 15 min. typing that didnt I? lol.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

This is some funny stuff lol...

 Randy       

       DIRT TRACKIN
"When it's wet slide it in"