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Robert Bond    San Jose Ca

when allard came off the track he went down the pit lane right behind the pit stands and passed in front of the score board. that is a no no at ocean for safety reasons as there are a lot of people in that area and they are not expecting a car to come through there when there is a race on the track. drivers are made aware of this rule at the drivers meeting. if you drive a car under power in front the score board, you are done. there is a road that goes around the back of the pit lane and behind the score board that is to be used. that may be why allard wasn't allowed back out.

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main event video - enjoy

Great race! Thanks for making that video I really enjoyed watching it since I am not able to go to as many races as I used to

Looking forward to the new Golden State King of the 
West series schedule! 

Winged sprintcars = the fastest and most exciting 
racecars on dirt! 

If that's really the reason that Allard wasn't back on the track that is unfortunate. Part of the problem with running a traveling series at different tracks with different rules. To me when GSC shows up at a track they are the show. Not allowing a guy back out on the track who is in contention for the points is just ridiculous. If anything to be done at all and you want to penalize him, fine them some money instead of costing them a points championship for a rule at a track they visit once or twice a year.

That rule has been in place ever since Prentice took the place over I know that. It is unfortunate that JA wasnt allowed back on the track, but at some point the driver has to be responsible for knowing the rules to. The mistakes cant always fall on the shoulders of the officials, promoter etc......Im pretty sure JA just had brain fade for a moment. Hes been there enough to know the rules, and Im sure he'll overcome the mistake just fine. Good luck to JA, Ashley and the Zero crew the rest of the way

at some point the track rules need to be enforced no matter what series is racing. the GSC was not the only cars there that night. the rule is a SAFETY rule as that area in front of the score board is a safe area for people who don't expect cars under power to come though there. as stated before, that rule is made known at the drivers meeting and has been in effect for quite some time. jac haudenshild was DQ'd a few years back for not going to the scales after a race. haud knew he was not supposed to go in front of the score board because it was drilled into him all night. so after the race, he went down the road behind the score board and didn't know how he was supposed to get to the scales. he parked in front of his pit spot in order to keep from driving all over the pits. the officials were right there and told him he need to go to the scales. they saw that he did nothing except just park his car. i am not sure if he was told to go to the scales and then a protest arose and he was DQ'd, or if he was just DQ'd on the spot. any way, even though he rarely runs the place and tried to follow the rules the best he could, he ended up paying the price for not doing things as he was supposed to.

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Yeah I read your post about safety, I'm not arguing the point that the rule is there for good reason. I'm simply stating the fact that there has to be a better option to penalize someone for a traveling series. Guaranteed if the Outlaws were in town and one of their drivers "broke the rule" he would be back out on the track. I don't see this as a difference for the premiere division of sprint car racing here on the west coast. Bottom line is that it shouldn't cost someone a point championship.

so now you want different rules for different classes with regard to the same track infraction? if a dwarf car guy and a GSC guy broke the same tack rule on the same night, you want them to be treated different? just because someone doesn't race there all the time, you want different rules for them? what if someone comes and runs the 360 series at the track, and they are not a regular, and they do the same thing? you want a different rule for them? your argument is that allard should have been treated different because he doesn't race there often. the rule is, if you drive by the score boad, under power, during a race, you are DQ'd. it is the same for every class. i like allard, he is a friend, but the track has to enforce their rules. if rick albarran made the call to

park JA, i'm sure he hated to have to do it. the outlaw guys were told the same thing and were warned when they were there that it applied to them as well. i am confident that john prentice and/or rick albarran would have enforced the rule on them. now the traveling series can penalize their guys however they want, but the track has their rules that they want followed. i am not trying to start a fight with you as you are just voicing your opinion. i don't always agree with what goes on at the track with regard to rules and enforcement, but if things are done equal, and everyone is treated the same, that's all you can ask for at times.

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My point is that I guarantee the Outlaw officials would not allow a car to be DQ'd for that reason, no matter if your track guys tried to enforce it, especially if it was one of their main guys. I do believe traveling series need to be operated differently than a weekly one track series. Regardless if its treating them differently than your dwarf/stocks or whatever. My point is that the reason your stands are packed on these nights is because of GSC and the product they put on the track. So yes, they do require favoritism and have more than likely earned it by increasing your tickets sales, concession sales, beer sales, and pit passes. Bottom line is that when a premiere traveling series goes to the track, THEY are the show.

I would have the same argument with any of the "regulars". They are having a hard enough time finding cars to stay out on the series on a weekly basis. Therefore by penalizing a car and possibly costing them a points championship they may no longer be out on the road. I know Allard has talked about not for sure running a full schedule with GSC this year and not competing for the points championship, but if he was in the top2-3 with the championship close in grasp, I am sure he would make a run for the championship.

you can't guarantee squat! the track obviously has a rule that it is not afraid to enforce, and it looks like they expect everyone to follow it. you just seem to be stomping sour grapes because a driver you like made a mistake and was penalized for it. listen to you going on and on about who the show is and who should be allowed to do what. well, who provides the place for the show? it seems it's their sandbox. also it doesn't seem that ocean speedway is having trouble finding cars, even 360's. they averaged more 360's the last couple of years than any other weekly 360 series in the area.

You obviously didn't read my statement. As I said it would be the same argument for any of the regulars of the series not just Allard.

You're talking about Ocean. I'm talking about the series. They may provide the place for the show but its the show that puts the money in the promoters pocket. It may be their sandbox but where's the money coming from for the sand? The reason they average more 360's is simply because they run on Friday and don't have to compete for cars with other tracks. The only other track that runs Friday is Chico and they run 410's not 360's. Where as every other track runs 360's on Saturdays and compete for cars.

Funny how I voice an opinion on a decision and you are all ready to jump me for it. I was stating that there has to be a BETTER way to penalize a car then costing them a season longs point championship.

oh i read your "statement" as you call it. i read how you are saying you can "guarantee" things you have no control over and how you think a track should comprimise it's rules and regulations. i read how you ask who is providing the "show". i am sure the regulations that the race will follow are ironed out before the track pays the fee for the GSC. yes the track pays for the GSC, or any other outside series to run there. now we know that the fees do come from ticket sales, so before you reply with the a statement that points that out, we know. i didn't see the GSC officials over rule ocean speedway, so ocean must have had the final word. now it is a shame that allard made the mistake that he did, but how many times in the past 3 or so years has he raced at ocean? the rule, from what i understand has been in effect for at least that long. so it was not something that was totally unfamiliar with him i would venture to say. i would also venture to say that GSC has more to reason to worry about losing cars than someone being upset about a penalty. you are more than with in your right to voice your opinion. but as i said, you can't "guarantee" squat. it is not the traveling series that made the rule or the penalty, but the traveling series seems to have agreed to abide by it. and if an outlaw driver would have broke the rule, they were told by the outlaw officials they would be DQ'd. they were warned that the rule was there and they were to follow it.

anyway with or without Allard that was yet another awesome race at ocean (all 3 mains)and i will be there any time the sprints run there thy are doing something right thats for sure and oh the foods great too

Robert Bond    San Jose Ca

i agree, the main events were great. i also think it is too bad that allard seems to have made a mistake that resulted in him being DQ'd. it would have been great to see him try to make a run from the back.

the outlaw drivers were told at their drivers meeting, by their officials, that the track had a policy of not driving past the front of the score board, and that the penalty was a DQ. i can understand your dissappointment in having a driver you like from a series you like hit with a penalty, but as i said the track has the rule and the penalty for a reason. people expect no cars to come through that area. the line up board is there and the consessions are there and people gather in that area. the rule and the penalty are the same for everyone. i am sure the penalty is set at the level it is to make it as much of a deterent as possible. you can't say the breaking of the rule by one group of people is less than it is by another, and by adjusting the penalty to make it less would be doing that. now for your claim that the GSC brings more fans to the stands. i would say that there were just as many if not more fans the week before for the taco bravo 360 race, there were definetly more cars. that is not a knock on the GSC, just an observation.

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Allard is not my favorite driver, you obviously are all trying to find a reason why I am taking this stance on the issue. You are right I can not "guarantee" anything. But there is a high probability that this would not happen to Schatz, Meyers, Saldana, etc at an Outlaw race, no matter what the track would try and enforce.

The original statement was that it was unfortunate he wasn't let back out on the track. Also that there has to be a BETTER way to penalize someone.

I really don't care why the rule exists, any rule that DQ's a car that is not due to racing (i.e. not going to scales, illegal engine, etc) or physical violence does not seem legitimate.

i think i am starting to like you, because i wouldn't want to be DQ'd for kicking your ass because you failed to stop at the scales with your illegal motor. you seem to have changed your story from having a different penalty for breaking a rule for a traveling series to just not having DQ penalties for some of the most egregious violations. i also didn't see anyone say allard was your favorite driver. i see where it was said he might be a driver you like. still i guess that if you think that running an illegal tire or motor or wing or fuel or punching someone in the face does not warrent a DQ, that is your opinion.

I see you didn't pass reading comprehension. So I will decipher this for you.

"I really don't care why the rule exists, any rule that DQ's a car that is not due to racing (i.e. not going to scales, illegal engine, etc) or physical violence does not seem legitimate."

- MEANS : DQ's for racing (ie not going to scales, illegal engines, ETC) or physical violence are legitimate reasons.

I never once even said Allard was a driver I liked. Although that has been insinuated throughout this post that I am coming to the defense of a driver for the sole fact that I like him.

oh, my bad. did i also get the part wrong where you changed from wanting to have different penalties for traveling series for the same violation? also you really should like allard, he is a nice guy.