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March 26, 2010 at
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http://www.nationalspeedsportnews.com/node.php?id=2991
http://www.sfifoundation.com/
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March 26, 2010 at
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Ok so if Impac's labeling practices are not lagit, how do I know I have a phoney label? Ive been useing thier products the past five years and believe thier product holds exceptional quality , regardless the labeling, I believe thier products are superior over some brands out there today. JMO
Kinda ironic, Simpson/Impac is what country based manufacture?
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March 26, 2010 at
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According to the way I read it...decertification happens as of april 27,,,seems if the gear was unsafe -they'd recall it now...probably just ,money fraud between Impact and SFI..sad.. but I'd put on my Impact gear and go racing without worries
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March 27, 2010 at
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First I will say, I am a long time user of Simpson race products, and have a deal to run Simpson for 2010. Got a sweet carbon fiber helmet, and custom suit on the way! That's another story though.
My experience with impact products has been very limited. I have a set of impact belts in the car, which are very high quality. Bill Simpson has done more for racing safety than ANYONE in the business with his innovations and inventions.
Do I think it is right to "forge" sfi tags? No. But I am sure there are two sides to every story as well. SFI is a "non-profit" company, and it is also the standard which rule books are written for minimum standards on a specific duty. Ever notice how the tags state "MANUFACTURER certified"? Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't that infer that each individual manufacturer tests their OWN product and certifies that it meets the minimum standards set by SFI? How does this work? Do the manufacturers do their own testing, then provide documentation on the testing to sfi then PURCHASE tags to use? if I am correct with that understanding, it seems to me that since ALL rule books specify SFI certification, SFI can charge whatever they want for the tags, and force the manufacturers to pay this money.
So, admittedly there are a lot of assumptions in my thinking here...but answer this, if the equipment meets the spec AS SPECIFIED AND TESTED BY THE MANUFACTURER, is it THAT big of a deal that someone got their tags elsewhere if they felt they were being "bribed" by SFI? I'd be MUCH more interested in seeing tests showing that the equipment wasn't properly tested vs. some crap over a tag.
Another thing to consider, just because SFI is non-profit, don't think for a minute someone couldn't be making a ton of money off of this. Just because the company doesn't show a profit doesn't mean the officers and employees of said companies aren't making large salaries. I could be wrong on all this, but it smells of shit. The reports for non profit companies are available...can someone look it up and post it?
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March 27, 2010 at
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To answer my own question, per tax returns filed the presedent/CEO for
last year claimed a salary of $198,825 with additional "other income"
from the foundation of $35,426. How's that for non-profit? Assets
listed at 1.34m This is kinda like the mob...regardless whether the
equipment meets the minimum specs or not, SFI didn't get their cut so
they are railroading Bill Simpson.
http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990_pdf_...http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990_pdf_archive/953/953243714/953243714_20090
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March 27, 2010 at
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SFI would not have posted a press release and announced decertification unless they had a strong legal position to do so. The fact the the silence from Impact at this point is quite deafening says a whole bunch to me....
If I owned Impact, and I were innocent of producing substandard gear with "faullty" certification labels, I'd be all over the press with rebuttals. My question to anyone is this, since Impact went to the "trouble" of buying labels from an off shore source, how can you be sure of their product quality?
Kind of like you spouse telling you that they only cheated on you.... a little bit.....In my book, cheating is cheating.
Chuck.....
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March 27, 2010 at
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Not to be stirring the pot, but...Don't forget that about a year (or so) ago Impact also had a cease and decist order from Hans for installing Hans helmet attachements that were not certified by Hans. 
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March 27, 2010 at
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Something doesn't add up. If there was a safety/quality issue, why would SFI wait ONE MONTH to de-certify the products in question?
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March 27, 2010 at
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Posted By: Hawker on March 27 2010 at 02:32:53 PM
Something doesn't add up. If there was a safety/quality issue, why would SFI wait ONE MONTH to de-certify the products in question?
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The way that I read the release, SFI is decertifying Impact, not select Impact products.
And here's their jsutifaction for the April 27th date that I copied from their website...
"SFI has elected not to decertify these products immediately in order to minimize the potential hardships to members of the racing community that have been brought about by Impact’s counterfeiting activities."
Most sanctioning bodies have SFI standards noted in their rule book. It seems to me that they're giving those who possess the items in question time to purchase new gear......
Chuck.....
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March 27, 2010 at
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Posted By: sprinter25 on March 27 2010 at 04:25:56 PM
The way that I read the release, SFI is decertifying Impact, not select Impact products.
And here's their jsutifaction for the April 27th date that I copied from their website...
"SFI has elected not to decertify these products immediately in order to minimize the potential hardships to members of the racing community that have been brought about by Impact’s counterfeiting activities."
Most sanctioning bodies have SFI standards noted in their rule book. It seems to me that they're giving those who possess the items in question time to purchase new gear......
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This may sound dumb, but how can they "de-certify" something that they never certified to begin with? Because if it is indeed "counterfeit", then SFI never certified it to begin with?
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March 27, 2010 at
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From SFI website... 'SFI has also elected to terminate all Contracts of Participation with Impact Racing effective 90 days from March 24, 2010. Under the terms of the Contracts, either party may terminate the agreements without penalty upon 90 days notice. This means that Impact will no longer be able to participate in any SFI programs after this 90 day period',,,,,,appears to me Impact could sell sfi certified till the 90 day termination date..If it were a safety issue would sfi allow that..how can any racing organization not honor the sfi certification..I sure wish Mr. Simpson would issue a statement,although with lawyers involved..I dought that will happen.
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March 27, 2010 at
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Posted By: Hawker on March 27 2010 at 04:43:10 PM
This may sound dumb, but how can they "de-certify" something that they never certified to begin with? Because if it is indeed "counterfeit", then SFI never certified it to begin with?
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Read this...
http://www.sfifoundation.com/
The way I interpret it, a contractual agreement between an equipment manufacturer and SFI then requires that the maufacturer test, certify, and label products as meeting SFI standards. If the manufacturer fails to do this in any area, he can be decertified. The key here, IMO, is that SFI requires a contracted manufacturer to do all of the things to "certify" a product.
Don't do it, or do something like acquiring illegal labels, and you can become decertified.......the cetification comes from fulfilling the terms of the contract. Sort of like lying by omission; you don't say anything. but by omitting certain details, you've lied......
Chuck.....
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March 27, 2010 at
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sorta like UL listings in America, theres a boatload of other certifications that are UL acceptable, regardless, My new Impact belts will be installed ,I just plain trust the product, I'm here today to type this message because of thier quality and approve the product , that too me is (grades higher) than any sfi rating . JMO
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