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tvproducer
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January 29, 2010 at 12:13:08 AM
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Other rules changes as well.




Oakland Sprint Fan
January 29, 2010 at 01:18:14 AM
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That is great news being a fan (double file restarts). That should bring some excitement to the races. I always hated the pill draw. .... lineup in the dash by qualfying time makes much more sence.


  

rpaulson
January 29, 2010 at 07:27:15 AM
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I also hear that when car count is high, there will be 5 heats and 12 cars in the dash.




vande77
January 29, 2010 at 07:39:50 AM
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From what the speedtv article states, the "b" main has been eliminated as well. Guess that means if you have a problem in your heat you are now "done".

Double File Restarts could be OK, but I see a lot more torn up equipment than better racing in our future (it will take that much longer on restarts to catch the tail end fo the field when the real racing begins).

No problem here with lining up the dash by time (just wish there was a chance of an invert to keep it exciting for the fans. Basically being quick-time will make you start in row 2 of your heat, on the front row of the dash, and provided you don't let anyone pass you, on the front of hte feature. wow, that sounds exciting to me as a fan, not...

Elimination of the "B" main sounds like a bad idea to me. Less racing for the fans, but ticket prices remain the same (or in some instances increased). I just don't understnad the logic behind that one...

 

Just my $.02



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January 29, 2010 at 07:44:05 AM
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I can see this clause causing some problems this year...."However, Outlaws officials will reserve the right to revert to single-file restarts as necessary to maintain a safe environment for participants."


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BUGSKANDT
January 29, 2010 at 07:53:47 AM
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I think the non qualifiers race they are referring to is the C main, although I could be wrong




JonR
January 29, 2010 at 07:58:34 AM
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I don't think this is the B main. I think that this is the race to get into the heat races. I have only seen it once. They had 48+ cars, so they had more cars than spots in the heats race. Thus, they had the extremely slow cars race in a race just to be able to race in the heat race.



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January 29, 2010 at 08:51:03 AM
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This message was edited on January 29, 2010 at 08:56:26 AM by rpaulson

Let me clear some of this up.

The last chance race was the "d-main". It is now eliminated. They only ran a D when they have over 48 cars. If there are enough cars they will increase to 5 heats. With the new format everyone will get to run a heat race.

The dash will have an inversion based on a dice roll (4,6,or 8). When there a 5 heats there will be 12 cars in the dash (top 2 from each heat + next two fastest times).



Skidooxp19
January 29, 2010 at 09:24:31 AM
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So, does that mean a driver still has to finish in the top two in a heat, and then they'll line up based on time? Then the next two fastest guys get in then? That may work alright.




Dude Fan
January 29, 2010 at 09:41:54 AM
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they are getting rid of drawing for your spot in the dash? I hate the inversion.


  

jeff24
January 29, 2010 at 09:53:07 AM
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Double-file restarts are ok in the WoO late model series, after all, they have fenders and with the leader up front by himself, but double-file restarts in open wheel racing, definitely will be tearing up equipment. Guys getting very aggressive, thinking they can get by the car on the inside, kamakaze-type moves,etc. I like it, but car owners maybe not so much.


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outlaw_fan_7_8
January 29, 2010 at 11:27:46 AM
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i want to know about the last one. Starting all 3 features. I'm sorry but that seems like a big F U to the teams coming back to the road and the rookies and i'm guessing it doesn't apply to the #7 since they weren't on the road last year and Craig missed a few races? But all that matters is the NASCAR teams will make the features and they won't have to burn up Provisionals. If you can't race your way in tough sh*t.




kylenap
January 29, 2010 at 11:45:04 AM
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I would like to see a big (maybe complete) inversion in the heat races if there isn't going to be any kind of inversion in the dash. If not, you could not see a lot of clean sweeps this year by the 15, 14, or 9.

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January 30, 2010 at 07:58:01 PM
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Posted By: IBRACN on January 29 2010 at 07:44:05 AM

I can see this clause causing some problems this year...."However, Outlaws officials will reserve the right to revert to single-file restarts as necessary to maintain a safe environment for participants."



Doesn't every sprint car race in the world start double file? the drivers just need to act like the professionals that they are, and I don't forsee any problems.



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January 30, 2010 at 08:08:51 PM
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so theres only going to be qualifing,heats,dash,and the A feature in a nights event?

 




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January 30, 2010 at 09:07:42 PM
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Posted By: stefani0068 on January 30 2010 at 08:08:51 PM

so theres only going to be qualifing,heats,dash,and the A feature in a nights event?

 



From what I understand there will still be a B main and C when needed - what was eliminated is the D main or non-qualifiers race (which was basically a "slow" heat) consisting of qualifiers 49+ which placed the top four at the tail of a heat. Now they will run 5 heats when necessary.


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StanM
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January 30, 2010 at 11:13:00 PM
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I never cared for the double file restarts in the Late Models. It take a couple of extra laps while some official goes out on the track and points high and low to the cars as they go past so they know where to line up. That takes a couple extra laps on every caution. Just my opinion but they do that for all the big Late Model shows and I never cared for it.


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January 31, 2010 at 12:47:21 AM
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This message was edited on January 31, 2010 at 12:48:24 AM by crewchief
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Posted By: StanM on January 30 2010 at 11:13:00 PM

I never cared for the double file restarts in the Late Models. It take a couple of extra laps while some official goes out on the track and points high and low to the cars as they go past so they know where to line up. That takes a couple extra laps on every caution. Just my opinion but they do that for all the big Late Model shows and I never cared for it.



These guys will be wearing raceivers.






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January 31, 2010 at 08:10:45 AM
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Posted By: crewchief on January 31 2010 at 12:47:21 AM

These guys will be wearing raceivers.





I'm talking a big $50,000 to win Late Model race referred to as one of the crown jewel events of the sport with drivers wearing raceivers. The still circle the track a couple extra times. The leader goes past and the official points hi, lo, hi, lo as the cars go past. Trust me, I've seen them line up for double file restarts in big races too many times to count. It adds laps under caution.


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ricci49
January 31, 2010 at 12:18:29 PM
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Like some of the old timers around here, I grew up at tracks watching side by side restarts and I'm a life long fan of them. It gives fast cars in the back a better opportunity to get to the front, especially on half mile tracks where traffic seldom comes into play.

I go to the race track to see passing, not freight trains. If the WoO's are making changes for the fans, I'd like to see them go a step further and move the fast cars a little further back to start the feature as well. As far as the dash… I don't have any memories of an amazing dash, except mine to the bathroom.





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