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(Las Cruces, NM)-The Southern New Mexico Speedway in Las Cruces, New Mexico is well known for its pair of $10,000 to win Open Wheel Modified shows; but a high paying show for Sprint Cars is something new. If you look at the different classes of Wing Sprint Cars, the 410’s have Knoxville, the 360’s Little Rock, but what about the 305’s? Well the 5/16 clay oval in southern New Mexico is about to give the 305 Sprint Car world a place to call its own with the inaugural Southwest 305 Sprint Car Shootout happening March 19-20, 2010.

With a top prize of $5,000, the nearly 30 car field that makes up the local Renegade Sprint Car Series is already drooling with anticipation but all challengers are welcome as Las Cruces sits just right on the map to bring drivers from Texas, Kansas, Colorado, Arizona, and beyond. Car rules for the Southwest 305 Sprint Car Nationals are available at http://www.snmspeedway.com/rules.php. Engine rules are RACESAVER 305 and the cars must weigh 1,600lbs. If there are any questions please call 575-524-7913 or email [email protected]. Entry form is online at http://www.snmspeedway.com/?p=966.

Is the racesaver rules the only rules for the 305,s

That is what I understrand, check out the rules posted at el paso renegade sprint car series. I hope that there is a good turnout. We didnt have a big show come through here at all last year. Plus Royal is a class act and knows how to put on a show. So come on!

looks to me midwest 305's won't work there, too bad. guess challengers welcome have to build/buy thier motor.

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What rules package are you running?

Any 23`steel head, 11:1 compression

Sorry it has taken me a bit to respond....We have talked with a couple different engine builders about the RACESAVER and MidWest 305 engine packages and what we have been told is the MidWest 305 makes as much as 550hp where the RACESAVER makes about 450hp.

With this in mind, we don't want anyone to spend $5,000 to try and win $5,000 and to keep it things as inexpensive as possible, we will make weight the equalizing factor. If you show up with the MidWest 305, you must weight 1,800lbs.

This is what we have come up with so far that will not force anyone who wishes to compete to have to spend a lot of money. I would really like to hear from you on any ideas that you may have.

1800lbs ???

Weight to Horsepower. The average RACESAVER Engine is 3.55lbs to 1 Horsepower. Based on the information provided to me, at 1,800lbs the average MidWest 305 will be 3.27lbs to 1 Horsepower.

We don't want you to have to pay out the nose to change your cars. We figured Lead was cheaper than having to completely change your engine. Again, I ask for your ideas and input.

What about restricting the stacks a little?

Royal, you have been put into a tough prediciment. Unfortunately due to groups not being able to concisely agree on rules, this is what happens, it hurts the racers, the promoter's, and the fans. This is exactly why there needs to be unity amongst our peers. Most of us could give a crap less what rules we ran under as long as it was affordable and fair. The 1800lb theory is prolly the best out there, as the stack restriction really doesn't do squat. I ran them most of my life, and the times I ran 410 shows and eliminated them, I didn't notice a significant change. An intake restrictor gasket is more productive in reducing horsepower. But the weight restiriction is by far the easiest to apply and enforce. I wouldn't doubt that there are 550hp 305's out there amongst our competitors. Unfortunately those who are not 550hp are compared to those who are, and rightly so. To protect your own guys, you need to make the rule adjustment for the most competitive, not the mean. I think your proposal is fair.

I agree with DaBeef on the stack restrictor deal. A couple years ago we ran our 305 at a track with 360's. They required the 360's to be restricted and also us. We felt there was no difference in the engine with the restrictors. However, that is alot of lead to bolt on. BTW, we finished 4th against 24 360's.

Put the weight in the car and let them run, the renegade drivers are a whole lot better than you guys think. I say bring it on and let the cards lay where they fall!!!!!!!!

SNM, have you also thought about the restrictions on some of the cars that run Knoxville? Knoxville is starting to allow things that should not be allowed at all for 305s.

Where should a guy bolt on 2 to 3 hundred lbs of weight, and make it safe? That's what im worried about when adding that much. Should I hang tractor weights on the thing? or fill the tires full of fluid? or pour the frame rails full of lead? Is there any sprint series that run weighing this much?

na there isnt anyone hanging that much weight on a car i was thinking about coming down but the problem i see is where you are going to hang it and then at 1800 lbs and your not running any bleeders that could be really bad be more likely to blow out a tire from the extra weight. and i have to agree with thebeef on the motors there are maybe two motors up here that are 550 horsepower im guessing the one i built is closer to 515 its nothing special at all but i had thought about it but i cant see adding the weight because all its going to do is mess up my car i have a 4:11 ring gear we are already on the upper end of weight that is should carry now add 200 to 300 lbs and im probably going to destroy the rear end

it is the opposite of horse racing and a small jockey. Get a big fat driver

Come on, let them run. Just make the guys who have midwest 305 engines start mid pack to the back. The Renegade guys got this track dialed, so I say make it happen. I think people are forgetting what a sprint car is. You got a 305 engine, run it. Remeber the engine is only part of the equation. So come on, 5000 bucks up for grabs in the 305 class, Ha Ha

I think there is no safe way to add that much weight to a sprint car and make it safe. All it is going to take is one little screw up and a weight comes flying off and kills somebody. Maybe u could come up with a better and safer solution.

im with you on that 35crewman there isnt i just looked at my car tonight and cant be done and it be safe well at least i dont think it is safe i would love to make the trip but safety is first