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Wondering how many teams won't go to a WoO show knowing they have to buy Goodyears to run with them in 2010.

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what tires are the cali tracks going to mandate? are there any contracts in effect for 2010?

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The team will have to buy tires every night to run so what difference does it make if they are buying Good Years or Hoosiers?

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Got to agree with IBracin... back in the 90's, NARC had a McCreary tire rule, but when the WoO showed up, most of the teams would buy Goodyears. At the time, Goodyear was the hot setup.....

Chuck.....

local teams don't HAVE to buy tires EVERY night. around here you can get more than one race out of a RR, the same with a LR. it can last a few races as well. now there are teams that WANT to put new tires on all the time. i see used tires on the cars of top teams every week. now some may put new RR's on for the feature, but they may use that tire up to the feature the next week or even rotate tires for a couple of weeks depending on how the tires wear. the question, the way i understand it was, if you are not running goodyears and you have to buy them to run a local woo race, what effect will this potientially have? for top teams with money to burn this may not be a concern. if you are on a small budget and you are set up to buy and use apples, and you have good apples in your cart, then suddenly you are faced with having to buy oranges, to use just once, and empty your cart of apples, then throw away any good oranges you might have left over when you have to replace them with apples again you may consider just passing on the oranges. it is not just about buying a tire. it is about getting the value out of your money. for most local teams, when the outlaws come to town and you are running the same tire they are you run what you would normaly run. even if you have to buy a tire or decide to by a tire, you buy the compound that you normaly run, so you can use it after the outlaws are gone. you don't have to buy multiple LR tires and a couple of RR tires. just about every team in the country has been running hoosiers so you could go anywhere and run your same stuff. knid of like the standarized 410 rule or 360 rule. but now if you have to spend EXTRA money to go race someplace else, or to participate in a traveling series when it comes to you, it could make a difference if you race or not.

Brad, you have a thing called "feed the kitty" where you collect money to buy a tire and give it to a local racer. are you going to buy a tire that they can use maybe once and then it is useless, or are you going to buy a tire they can use any time during the year?

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i understand your point. still you didn't HAVE to buy a different tire to participate and most teams that did buy goodyears bought a RR. plus McCreary's were JUNK. some teams would have bought a forklift tire than a McCreary if the tire wasn't a spec.

how many people b!tch about high costs and low car counts? well when you have to run a different brand of tire, and have to buy multiple tires, for one race, than you normaly would it will affect some teams. maybe your team has plenty of money and can buy specific tires, for one race, then throw them away, if they are used up or not, then buy new tires again.

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I feel it's a good move. They are adding in over $50,000 to the point fund and the WoO drivers need all the $$$ they can get to stay on the road. Not cheap to be on the road for 70+ races. I think a majority of the NorCal drivers buy new tires for the West Coast WoO and other big shows. Not sure why you would show up to race the best in the world with used tires? Field filler I guess.

Buzz - if you really wanted used tires, couldn't you buy them from the WoO teams? They usually have 8 or 12 used tires after each weekend!

why would i want to buy them AFTER the weekend? i never said the goodyear deal was bad for the outlaws or for other local areas that will run goodyears. i am thinking about lesser funded local teams in areas that may not be running goodyears. if you don't understand the point of having to spend money on tires that you will only be able to use for one race vs spending money on tires that you will be able to use anytime, i can't help you. lets say you are a small funded team who would like to support the woo as some do. no matter if you think you can win it or not. (lets face it, even out off the local cars that entered the gold cup how many REALLY thought they could win it?) you are in the position to have to buy tires no matter what, because yours are worn out. lets say you have $1000.00 to spend. that will get you roughly 4 rear tires. do you spend that money on tires you will be able to use for one race, then have to sit out a while because you have no money to buy tires? or do you pass on the woo and buy tires you can use locally for a few races? so in my opinion, this goodyear deal will have an effect on local participation in woo shows. i believe that is what the OP was asking. unless congress approves the great local sprint car stimulis/bailout!

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For a local to run the WoO show the min will likely be 1 RR and 2 LS's (for stagger). That will be $600. I think that is what the Outlaws pay to start the main. Again, the clowns will be paying to play in the circus. Seems OK from the stands but not in the pits.

All of you are making very valid points about the cost to participate in these races. If you think back to when the tire wars were still in effect, you had Hoosier, Goodyear and McCreary(All-American Racer) battling it out for sprint car supremacy. In the end, Hoosier built the better mousetrap and longtime Goodyear supporters (Karl Kinser) were running Hoosier tires with the name blacked out. Andy Hillinburg was such a loyal supporter of McCreary that it probably ended his career. Why? The Hoosier tire was superior on the larger tracks. The side wall of the Hoosier tire would collapse more in the corners and give the added traction that got the cars off the corner quicker, and at the same time, the sidewall grew much like a dragster tire on the straightaway which increased top speed.

Why am I pointing this out? Any time there's a change in tire technology there is an ensuing development in chassis and set up with the cars. Local racers will be at a disadvantage if they don't run the Goodyear tires very often. Depending on car count this can turn an outlaw show into a big money loser for the local team.