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Well, I guess I'll be the one, I know a bunch of you want to know, well so do I. I heard the 19c was mad about being put in the back after coming into the hot pits, because another car did the same and didn't have to go to the back (good ol favortism). A screaming match ensued, the 19c was told to load it & not come back . Well, it quickly went from bad to worse, one of the Robinsons got involved (not sure why), there was shoving, punches thrown, and so on, I even saw one guy in a headlock. Mark had to call for extra help, it was total kaos. If you ask me any time you have to stop the race, with cars sitting on the frt. straight and the fans waiting for the races to start, somebody better get a handle on things. the question now is will Mark stick to his guns and if he does will he make the penalty the same for the Robinsons (who from where I was looked to be the first to start the shoving). I certainly hope Mark gets a handle on this soon befor BMS ends up like some other tracks we all know. Its not alot of fun for the drivers sitting on the frt straight, crew members who work unbelievable hard on these cars ALL WEEK LONG not just Sat. night, and especially the fans sitting there waiting for the races to start back up for 30 min. or so!! Come on Mark stick to your guns, use the black flag a little more, make sure calls are mostly unbiased and make it fun for those of us who really enjoy coming out and racing for the love of the sport and doing it fair, square & clean !!!!!!!!

hey David Smith,, I was just wondering what state Brill Motor Speedway was located in..

The sad part is this is one of the reasons why when I talk to some people about comming to the races that don't go , they say I would not cross the street to go to one of those damn places if it was free and that really sucks. Because it happens at most tracks mostly at the end each of the season.

I guess not everybody likes the mud the blood and the beer!!!! LOL

 Randy       

       DIRT TRACKIN
"When it's wet slide it in"

A state of mind! HA

whatever that meant that I posted I have no earthly idea.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

funny, and again this is not an attack on you,, I'm not trying to upset anyone,, just to make everyone think

Ya pretty sure we all no what the penalty is supposed to be, but as we all no it will never fly this time. When it takes three cop cars and the flagman to come and help there is obviously some serious issues!! But I'm sure the flashing lights and the red flag thrown to stop the races was all just our imagination , nothing ever took place ! ! !

not sure about the statement of BMS becoming like other area tracks......

There are few tracks that BMS has been on par with since its inception.

But yeah instances like that won't help to sustain some of the recent gains they have made in their car count.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

I dont understand why people get on here and talk about BMS , Mark and his staff work very hard all week to make sure we all have a place to race on Saturday nite. As for the drama in the pits on Sat. nite the Robinson's didnt start the pushing and shoving and fist throwing, they were trying to break up the crap!!!!!! People should know if you pit under a caution you have to go the rear ,that has been a rule there all year...........

Yes thats the rule, but I don't think that was the source of the complaint, it was the fact that the rule was applied to one and not the other (correct me if I'm wrong). As far as rules go there should never be any justification for physical violence! In my view you put your hands on somebody it oughta be a min. 2 week suspention, whether you initiate or retaliate, or you'll have everybody throwing punches. You gotta be kiddin me, keep the flagger in the flag stand, I only see this possibly making things worse as sometimes he is the source of contention. As for the Robinsons trying to break the crap up, the Robinson I saw was not trying to break anything up!!!

hey everyone

Dirt racing has always been a tough-mans sport.

The lack of attention to rules enforcement in real time ,by management, always leads to this sort of incident.

When tough guys sense that nothing is being done or that rules were applied wrong, and there is no immediate re-address by track officials to verify an accurate application of the rule, then you have a volatile situation that could very easily end up this way.

These guys are experienced in taking matters into their own hands. They are aggressive, confidant, and able to stand up for what they believe is right. Lots of drivers and Crew Chiefs are business owners or supervisors at their jobs and take leadership roles when ever situations in life start to tumble down hill.

There will always be disturbances involving drivers and crews, that is the nature of the sport The truth is fans desire and expect a little display of emotion from time to time. Hell , racers ain't robots !

What the track operator needs to make sure of is that it is never enforcement of rules or officials instigating the problem.

Officials must Pay attention to what is progressing on and off the track, intervene with security as early as possible and send in officials to each side to explain and express the promoters wish to continue with the show, or hit the road, and we will call you later about your status at the track.

Inattention to activity, wishy washy rule enforcement, and lack of a planed response to this type of incident, is a recipe for failure.

All officials pronouncing a rule violation should have a second official verify and agree to the call. It keeps everyone a little more honest.

Long winded........I know..!!!

I out !

MM

Fight to win on the Track, not in the parking lot! I 
just love the " Ur # 1. wave " from fellow racers as 
we head home to our other lives !

BMS General Rules (under info on BMS website) CONDUCT: 1. Fighting Any participant directly involved with any fighting or misconduct @ any BMS event, on the track, in the pits or on the premises, @ any time will be finded $500. And/or may be suspended from all events for 2 weeks from date of infraction. May forfeit all points to date & all prize money for that event as deemed neccessary by promoter. Any driver or pit crew going to another pit area for confrontation will be escorted out of pit area & subject to a 2 week suspention and/or fine. 1st. offense: Driver will loose all points accumulated for the year & will be suspended for 2 weeks. 2nd. offense: Driver will loose all points accumulated for the year & will be suspended for the year. I know what I saw & I know what I heard. Mr. Brill told the 19c to load up & don't come back. Then the brawl followed with Robinson & Cross, or who-ever they want to say it was (the drivers are responsible for their crew, so say the rules). I know there will always be some drama in this sport, but whats the sence in having rules if they are not inforced, at least to some degree! It will all be clear to me this Sat. night. If both cars and drivers are allowed back, or one and not the other, I hold little hope for the track & owner, for which the rules were written. In my opinion Mr. Brill has used the words [and/or, will, may & up to 2 wk. suspention] the wrong way again! And may I add selectively not consistently. I'm reminded of Dustin Buntin only a little over a month ago; 2 week suspention!!! same class-same basic infraction!!!

Bussinesses or individuals cant enforce fines in $$$$. But they can tell you not to come back til you pay!

"Racing is an Addiction cured by Poverty"         
BOBCAT

just so everyone knows the facts the 19c and the robinson were not fighting each other they are family!! also brill never told the 19c driver to leave for two weeks.

19C was never told to leave, it was one of his crewmen and the fight had nothing to do with the 19C or anyother drivers. The fight was among others. Yes some of the Robinsons did get involved after it started but it was not involving the racers. and there are alot of people in the pits that should not be there, it should be for drivers and his crews and all the problems in the pits would resolve. This is big boys with big toys let's have some fun without the problems and lets stick to the rules. This Sat forget what has happened last week and let's RACE and Have Some FUN!!!!!!!!

Mark told the 19c driver that his crewman could come back before the night was over last saturday.

Some of you keep saying " lets stick to the rules". Well why don't you let us know which ones you what to stick to and who you want them to apply to. Didn't I just read in a couple of threads back, ANY participant directly involved with ANY FIGHTING OR MISCONDUCT... Some of you againseam to be missing the point. Maybe favortism is to big a word, lets call it picking and choosing (what rules & who to apply them to), this is what quite a few of us are upset with!

I'm out in left Field on this deal since I wasn't there. But I have heard time after time that "we in the Racing Community are all Family". I guess that holds true until Cousin Rickey Bobby (Richard Robert) runs up on ya..... misses his line an slides into Bubba Char ( his Sister Charolete).

Then onest we get back to them pits me an Sis (Bubba) is goin at it.

No need for the Flagman to come down off his perch, nor Ma & Pa to come out of the Grandstands, or even get the rest of the Track Officials, or to get Police involved. What we need here is Jerry Springer. Go Jerry...Go Jerry...

Mad Mike hit the nail on the head. And as for BMS General rules. The part that states; May forfeit all points to date and all prize money for that event as deemed necessary by the Promoter.This only leaves all infractions of the the Rules wide open, whether it be under the hood, or on the Track. It basically screams Favouritism.

Rules are Rules and should be complied with by all competitors. Why else would we even need a Rule Book.

This not only applies to Sporting Events but also to Life in general.

Watching this thread unfold has me thinking of an incident this past weekend at the go-kart track in Norman. Big regional meet, and they're spending big bucks racing for plaques. A kart gets crowded off the track, comes back on and knocks a passing back-marker into the tires. The back-marker (about 12-13) slams a $350 helmet into the ground, throws his gloves into the weeds, and generally starts acting the fool. When he gets back to the pits, a fight starts with the kid who'd run off the track. Turns out the back-marker's father hadn't been happy that the other kid hadn't been DQ'd and had TOLD his son to punch him. "If the officials had done more to the other guy, I wouldn't have had to have my son hit him" was the dad's explanation. They were immediately thrown off the property. They're not from around here, but it just gives me a warm feeling to know the future of our sport is in such good hands, and there will always be someplace, somewhere, where they can race.

Yes, so lets sit back and see what happens saturday night! as has been posted all racing season about the favortism to the robinson clan, lets just sit back and watch and it will be proven once and for all won't it. Buntin did pay his time for his actions , as well as others have.

WELL I GET TO THE POINT THE RULES ONLY APPLY TO THE PEOPLE THAT AINT ON THEIR KNEES KISSIN ASS !

well i have really tried not to fall in this soap opra anymore but i log on for the first time in a month and find that robinson racing is still popular and everyone else still dont have a life.yes robinson racing had cop cars at there pits but for the first time the robinsons were actually stoping a fight which had nothing what so ever to do with 19c and anyone from robinson racing.it is nice to se how many people have so little happiness in there life they make there own story up and write about what they made up on here and walk down to our pits to be nossy like high school girls.just a little bit of info for you,there was no favortism.there was two 99 cars on the track and one pulled of to change a flat and got his spot back because they saw the other 99 car at the back and got them confused.it is alright if BMS makes a mistake isnt it.after all everything you wrote was wrong and was a mistake.BMS tries hard and it seems like you cowards who cant even put your name only go to bash it on tid bits.stay home if you dont like it,and as for the people in the pits,try to have something going on in your pits to keep you occupied so you can stay out of ours.....burns dont it