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It is not too late to institute a ruling for the Super Sprint class to adopt ASCS rules for the 2010 season at SFS. Why would you want to make SFS the only track in the United States of America to run under bastard rules. Oklahoma City and SFS will be the only Track that allows your rules in the Super Sprint class.

We can't run at the Devil's Bowl or Lawton Speedway in 2010. So the bottom line is if you want to run OKC / SFS you must comply with SFS's rules while the rest of the country has become more unified with their rules.

This is only making us Race Teams spend more money to field two separate cars when we can more afford to field one car that is legal at all Tracks and Sanctioned Events, and allow us to have a back-up.

I cannot get over the fact that you Lanny, or Marcie can't see where this would not benefit you as Promoters.

For example: If all Tracks raced under the same rules in whatever class they race, and if all Sanctioning bodies adopted the same rules that would draw more cars (Marcie, more $$$) because if there is a Rain-out at any track within a 200mi. radius of OKC we will draw those cars and the Tulsa guys have no place to race on a weekly basis.

Lanny I am very dissapointed in you latley...... you know better. It's kinda like you've given up. You are a Hall-of-Fame Promoter and you know what needs to be done.

Would it not cost some of the locals who lack ASCS aspirations a lot more money and also pave the way for the high-dollar ASCS teams to occassionally cherry-pick the track to pick up easy cash?

"I'd pay $15 to watch a sprint car sit still."

Plus the ASCS type engines are more readily available and if a guy wants a good used one then he has it. Your right it would free up drivers to go other tracks (Devils Bowl) on Saturday nights and would probably increase the local ASCS shows by five or six cars. Wait a minute, local guys racing something other than for track points Nevermind that one but I think you get what I am saying.

This would also be a winner, of sorts, for ASCS but I can also see where guys won't want to travel very far as they have SFS on Friday nights and either Devils Bowl or Little Rock on Saturday nights. But in my opinion the positives more than out weigh the negatives.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

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Hey Allen, if he don't change the rules why not change the name to the SFS Sprints because they can't race anywhere else and compete on an equal ground.

 Randy       

       DIRT TRACKIN
"When it's wet slide it in"

I think we should all email the speedway.

Ted Sanderson

Kenny, I don't think there would be much cherry picking. Gary Wright, Jason Johnson, etc won't come here for our purse unless they are already in the area, and what a show that would be if they did, Darren and Danny against Shane, Neighbors and Little Joe against Gary Lee Meier, it would just add to the show, I think. Local guys run OKC motors with ASCS now, they don't win but the do get to race with better competition.

Let OCRS cars run at the city. They have back runners and lesser equipment teams that would probably like to run here some, even for a smaller purse, and maybe some of our guys would travel if the rules were close.

Maybe Lanny could work a deal with Brodix to trade in OKC heads for ASCS to help with the transition for teams without an ASCS motor.

Lanny, come up with a REASONABLE REASON to not convert to ASCS in 2010. Car count is NOT a reason. Listen to us. Hear us. Help us. Purse is not a reason, run the same weekly purse.

I don't feel that the purse would even become an issue. If a race team chooses to travel to any given Track in any given class they should be able to race legally. It's not just the Super Sprints it's all classes of cars. Why is it so hard to understand that common rules will benefit both Racers and Promoters.

After all Mr. Edwards allows cars to compete at his Tracks under other sanctioning rules, why not keep the rules consistant.

There are a few local Teams that I have spoken with that will be converting their operations to ASCS rules. This only takes away from the regular Car count at SFS.

Lanny you are killing us. If you don't want us to race at your Tracks, just say so. No BS or stories needed.

wow that was colorful/

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

Totally worthless post. Your points make no sense, don't address the issues at hand, and you are for sure NOT helpinng the cause by continually calling Lanny a "dick". Most of those super sprint cars you refer to already have ASCS motors and run some ASCS races without lowering the OKC car count. They either maintain two cars or stay up all night changing engines in order to run on Saturday night. When OKC runs a regular show, with ASCS rules the pay stays the same, not increase to ASCS pay, this pretty much iliminates cherry picking.

Lanny is a wise business man and a Hall of Fame Promoter, he is no dummy. Here is a possible solution to his concern about changing the super sprint class.Change to ASCS. Request that teams sign an agreement to run 'X' number of shows in 2010, guaranteeing Lanny a car count for most of the season. Hey, maybe Mr. Hawn would sanction us as a "satellite" ASCS region, part of the Sooner Region, maybe.

yeah. lol. bout halfway through i think it kicked in lol. my bad. started out well enough, should have stuck to playing poker lol.

speaking of your satellite region - which i think is a great idea. I've noticed some of the houston area tracks run gulf south about half dozen to 8 times a year - would it be something akin to that? No underlying implication - is that what you mean by that - Sooner region running more shows here? Or just making our weekly division a region itself?

No bull Tom - it sounds really good the way you put it. So going off those points - what are the reasons he has NOT to do it?

Out of curiosity, where did everyone (drivers, teams) stand on this 3-5 years ago? Was this something Super Sprint teams wanted even then? or has it become more prevalent lately?

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

I remember when the job of promotor was up for grabs a few years ago and Greg Moore was in the running he wanted to run ASCS rules at the track.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

Over 300 people have visited this post, but only 13 has responded. If we want to make a change we need everybody on board.

Well with all of the heavy hitters that were here tonite, I was sittin in the stands eatin my corndog drinkin my coke thinkin about ALL the debates on this subject it come to me why in the hell are all these ASCS Nat'l boys doin here tonite? They did not have anywhere else to race if Lanny changed to ASCS rules on a weekly show this probably would happen alot on friday nites during a regular season. Then I went WOW!!!!

 Randy       

       DIRT TRACKIN
"When it's wet slide it in"

Did it not make for some good racing and a respectable car count? Just imagine if we went to ASCS rules at SFS how many cars we could draw. Running Bastard rules at any Track will only hurt the Car Count and make for Race Teams to put together a Car that is only legal at ONE Track.

Mark Brill, this is also directed at you. Either adopt common rules with Sprints or continue with your current program.

Was it not clear enough or evident that when a race team wants to RACE they WILL attend. The Purse has no more effect than the wiliness to race. How do you Lanny, think that most all of ASCS National Tour drivers were on hand tonite and most will more than likely be at Lawton Speedway.

Guess what? those teams had no where else to race. If SFS were to comply with industry standards, ASCS rules do you not think it would create a better money draw at the gate and at the same time give the paying fans a better bang for their buck.

Same goes for all classes.

I keep preaching that all classes should be unified, so that if you choose to run at Track A, B, C, or X you know that you are legal. This is not only about Spints but all classes. I aignt no Rocket Scientest, but common sence tells me there is a better approach short of all the Drama.

I was quite surprised when I saw some of the National guys there last night. Talked to most of them and their plans were to go to Lawton tonight. Best quote I heard from more than one driver was "here to test and tune....try out a few new things."

Personally, and I know there's a few out there that can remember this, it reminded me of the start of the NCRA days. There would be an NCRA race scheduled for Sunday afternoon and we'd have 50-60 super modifieds here for the Friday night show to "test and tune" for Sunday.

Last night was the perfect example for changing to ASCS rules!!!!!!!!

First off I'd like to say, what a track last night for the a's. That is what a race track should be like!

Second off, yes that was the perfect argument for ASCS next year at SFS. With only about 5-6 weekly cars in attendance they have a b. That means people will come and race with us, and if you don't race with the best you don't become the best.

I believe I have found the best way to do this deal. As a Super Sprint driver/owner just don't pre-register at SFS next season until the day before. Lanny will panic due to lack of Supers and bam...ASCS rules. I talked to a few Super drivers last night and there are a few more possibly on board on this. In all reality ASCS rules probably won't happen, but if it doesn't there will be a lot of people running the Sooner region next year.

Uncle I agree with you 100% about all tracks should go to a common rule. I remember back with the supers you would see guys from Tulsa every week. Although, the promotors in this time seem to be afriad to go with the common rules of all tracks. I do not know if they are afraid that they will loose car count or what. But, it makes it more fun for the drivers and the fans like you said.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen