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OKCFan12
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August 15, 2009 at 12:42:52 AM
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This message was edited on August 15, 2009 at 01:01:10 AM by OKCFan12

Official Feature results from State Fair Speedway - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, August 14th, 2009. As well as updated top 5 points.

Super Sprints - 23 cars

A Main
1. Terry Holland
2. Brandon Jennings
3. Strike Hill
4. Larry Neighbors
5. Michelle Decker
6. Darren Stewart
7. Joe Wood Jr.
8. Danny Jennings
9. Dan Adkins
10. Sheldon Barksdale
11. Whit Gastineau
12. Tyler Johnson
13. Chris Loyd
14. Kerry McAlister
15. Anthony McWater
16. Mike Peters
17. Rick Barksdale
18. Andrew Marshala
19. Marcus Jackson
20. Jeff Leep
21. Chris Burns
22. Lee Jennings

USA Modifieds - 23 cars

B Main
1. Charles Day
2. Chris Armstrong
3. Alan Oliva
4. Tony Anderson
5. Kevin Merchant
6. Lloyd Buntin II
Disqualified - James Crabill
DNS - Ron Gould

A Main
1. Doug Bragg
2. Stanley Reed Jr.
3. Greg Burt
4. Randy Golden
5. C.A. Nix
6. Steve Smith
7. Jaymon Gregory
8. Charles Day
9. Garry Little
10. Alan Oliva
11. Don Smith
12. Chris Armstrong
13. Joey Buntin
14. Kevin Merchant
15. Kyle Sweeney
16. Tony Osborn
17. Allen Chickering
18. Tony Anderson
19. Carl Bohnstedt Jr.
20. Jay Sale

Pro Stocks - 14 cars

A Main
1. Steve Smith
2. Eric Brill
3. James Reed III
4. Dennis Dickson
5. Mark Brill
6. Brian Winter
7. Morris Woodall
8. James Beane
9. Jeremy Allen
10. Steve Clemmons
11. David Rhodes
12. Chuck Dennis
13. Ricky Butler Jr.
14. Jared Hicks
(4 cars finished - only 2 on lead lap)

Sport Mods - 12 cars

A Main
1. Randy Thomas
2. Justin Allen
3. Isaac Rosario
4. Shane Little
5. Terry Osborn
6. Shawn Jorski
7. Ken Monroe
8. Jerry Harkrider
9. Robert Pierce
10. Aaron Anderson
11. Kyle Nelson
12. Cody Whitworth

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Updated Top 5 points (after 8-14)

Super Sprints

1. Darren Stewart 2780
2. Danny Jennings 2640
3. Chris Burns 2400
4. Joe Wood Jr. 2110
5. Chris Loyd 2000

USA Modifieds

1. Stanley Reed Jr. 3410
2. Steve Smith 2660
3. Allen Chickering 2490
4. Jaymon Gregory 2230
5. Garry Little 2210

Pro Stocks

1. Steve Smith 2850
2. David Rhodes 2730
3. Mark Brill 2670
4. Jared Hicks 2660
5. James Beane 2520

Sport Mods

1. Justin Allen 2390
2. Terry Osborn 2200
3. Randy Thomas 1940
4. Cody Whitworth 1910
5. Isaac Rosario 1440


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Gregory5J
August 15, 2009 at 01:08:05 AM
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what does eveyone think about the new hoosier tire for the mods that we were told weren't legal before the race but all of the sudden im the liar after the race and they become legal . I do believe lannys words were im a lyin whiner. and if i dont like it go some where else to race

 



OKCFan12
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what does eveyone think about the new hoosier tire for the mods that we were told weren't legal before the race but all of the sudden im the liar after the race and they become legal . I do believe lannys words were im a lyin whiner. and if i dont like it go some where else to race

 



I don't know anything about the tire deal. But that would be an awfully screwed up and hateful thing to be said.

I sincerely hope you do continue to race at SFS, we all like watching you race a great deal. I would imagine the majority of our section echoes that sentiment as well.


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bandit19
August 15, 2009 at 01:34:46 AM
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I heard that Bruce Jennings went around to all the Super Sprint drivers to see if they would be interested in switching to ASCS rules and 17 of the 23 said yes........but Lanny says no change.



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This message was edited on August 15, 2009 at 01:51:17 AM by rhilbers

I agree with Cody don't let Lanny run you off you are a good driver and front runner every time you make it out. If I were you I would come back we enjoy watching you race also. It is getting down to the end of the year his shorts will be in a wad untill Oct. By the way what happened between you and the 83 car noticed you were a little pissed after the race?


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OKCFan12
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Posted By: bandit19 on August 15 2009 at 01:34:46 AM

I heard that Bruce Jennings went around to all the Super Sprint drivers to see if they would be interested in switching to ASCS rules and 17 of the 23 said yes........but Lanny says no change.



I want to give this opinion and hope I don't get blasted for it. If I am wrong in ANY capacity - I truly desire to know and be told respectfully.

Many seem to agree that SFS should go to ASCS. I must be of a very small minority that is not that sold on it.

Now - I do think it could be better in many ways. I think they should have done it a long time ago. BUT - some of the logic seems flawed. First, is an ASCS motor truly needed to go compete whereever? I mean - outside of SFS - most Sooner region races are run on the bullrings of Creek County and Lawton. Many have run SFS motors at those tracks with success.

Second - the logic that all the supers have an option to sell their motors off seems very flawed. There's only like 15 champs anyway. So is every champ sprint driver in the area really gonna buy one? How many more thousands will be needed to buy an ASCS motor after selling off the injected? I don't think we would get 17-20 of our sfs regs switching over to ascs. And I don't think it's wise to depend on the presence of Tulsa, DFW area ASCS guys to draw a respectable field.

If it could for sure be done without falling off to 12 cars or so.........then I think it is a good idea. But the reward does not seem worth the big risk. Injected sprints must not be too terrible a thing.........they average more cars than any other class. It's the most stable class at SFS - so it's no suprise Lanny scoffs at the idea of changing it. That's a point that cannot be overlooked. It's not only the premier class at SFS - but the most stable. And who would SFS gain by switching to ASCS? It's possible they only stand to lose cars. There hasn;t been obvious problems with supers - hell if a few more would run every week instead of once every 3 weeks - we would have 27-28 of em. I can see Lanny's POV on this - and it's reasonable. why screw with the best thing sfs has right now?

the classes that need obvious attention is champ sprints, pro stock, and sport mods. All 3 are down to or below 15. So why the demand to screw with 1 of the 2 classes that actually gets 22-24 weekly?

I submit these points/questions with all due respect. Look at it from a promoter's POV. I mean what is in it for him? what's his motivation to screw with the best class he has? I don't think 17 of 23 is better. I think 17 of 23 could mean 12. not being an ass - just being skeptical and rational. The upside in this is not the promoter. Actually - for the promoter the upside in this is very small and the downside is potentially extremely large.

We had 23 supers tonight. Take 2 regs that are usually there - Bruce and Sellers. Then there is 25. And there are others around with injected motors too. If anything, he raise the purse a tick or do whatever it takes to get the others with injected motors back out there too.

Another point as well - switching to ascs doesn't necessarily enhance the quality that much for the fans. On the reg - super sprint racing at SFS is better than ASCS racing. I think the only thing switching to ASCS enhances for SFS fans is the admission price. Really - that is my point. It's far from my place to say it would be better/worse for you drivers. I don't know financial situations or exact preferences.

For the record - I am saying this from 2 angles. There is no reason/ambition for the promoter to screw with one of his 2 best classes. And also - I don't think ASCS sprints with their oversized wings enhance the quality of racing. just enhances the ticket price for the fans. I think our super sprint races are great. I've always preferred them slightly over ASCS races at SFS (which honestly has more to do with the track prep when ascs is here than anything).

There are some really cool folks I have extremely high opinion of that are in favor of this. So I do give my opinion with all due respect. I am not lookin to be some high minded voice with this - it's jmo. If I am wrong - I want to be told where and why respectfully so that I know - I like learning/talkin' bout this shit lol. There are many folks on here very knowledgeable bout this - as a fan - I sincerely want to take advantage of that for the sake of knowledge/learning. I don;t really care for the hateful ops I might get - but care greatly about the opinions of those that truly know bout this stuff AND are cool and decent enough to share it respectfully (ie cheese, airflow, maybe others).

Bandit - you got my number in this Fantasy thing. I think I need a different approach in the future lol wink Aren't I actually 0-3 against you now overall? man...........


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bandit19
August 15, 2009 at 02:19:11 AM
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If you look at the list of the 23 cars that ran last night. I'd be willing to bet the 17 that wanted to switch probably already have ASCS motors.



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Most cars do have an ASCS and an OKC motor, true. I would really like to have a back up motor, but can't afford a back up for each class.

I must buy and run s small wing to run OKC only. ASCS wing I can run any show, ASCS, NCRA, and most other tracks in the country.

Ask 80% of the crowd the difference between not only Super and Champ but ASCS. Answer? Im not sure. Carbs vs Injection. Ok what does that mean and how do I see that from the stands? Well, they LOOK the same, but they are not. What does that mean? I'm not sure I can explain it to you that would make, sence, just watch the races.

You don't have to sell your motor, you can rebuild it very economically and be fairly competitive here or on the road. You could still run here solely and spend about the same as it costs now to do OKC.

ASCS cars ARE OUT THERE!!! Lanny is not concerned about hurting his car count, he is worried about too big a weekly show. NCRA cars, Tulsa area cars, North Texas cars, Missouri, Arkansas, Kansas City, Iowa. It doesn't have to be an ASCS sanctioned show every week so pay a affordable weekly purse, many will race for less to race at home.

They just completed the 360 Nationals and Tourney of Champions, how many local cars raced? Several Tulsa area, several NCRA, several Texas, but none from here. Our drivers have the talent but not the equipment, lets give them the chance to be somebody on a national scale if they want.

Lanny gets a kick back from Brodix on the OKC heads, he does NOT on ASCS heads.

 

More tomorrow.

 

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mjm sleepy
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OKC needs to, for ONCE be in some way compatable with the rest of the country in some form or fashion in a sprint class.

It is time SFS became a front-runner in the ASCS class instead of just having this class as a special once in a while.

410's are dead in this part of the country and the WoO also. unless you feel llike driving 500 miles to Houston or BFE Kansasa to see them is your idea of a fun 3-day weekend.

But ASCS has stepped up as the premiere touring class all across this country.

Come on Lanny. Do the fans and the majority of racers a favor. For once do away with these One Off OKC rules and put in ASCS rules .

This will improve car counts and encourage attendance to grow.

From a SFS attendee since 1969.




prostock83s
August 15, 2009 at 09:04:49 AM
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Gregory5j I would like to apologize to you and your crew for getting into you in the a feature.It was my fault and unintentional on my part.We have raced well together in the past and hope to do so in the future.Not sure about the tire dispute but hope that doesn't keep you from coming back as i think you are one of the better drivers out there.

Thanks

Steve Smith



Gregory5J
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Gregory5j I would like to apologize to you and your crew for getting into you in the a feature.It was my fault and unintentional on my part.We have raced well together in the past and hope to do so in the future.Not sure about the tire dispute but hope that doesn't keep you from coming back as i think you are one of the better drivers out there.

Thanks

Steve Smith



Its no big deal ive calmed down now, thats just the kind of racing you get when you have a heavy one lane track. It was almost ready to run heat races on after the super a



Gregory5J
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non-imca stamped g-60 they say they durometer the same but they sure do feel softer. They knew on that track they would narrow the field by a couple cars on the first corner.




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This message was edited on August 15, 2009 at 11:15:23 AM by rhilbers

On the ASCS thing...... I am glad t-mac and mjm sleepy posted first I agree with them 100%. IMO there are some drivers that have injected cars that can't go race at other tracks on sat nites and compete as well. Yes I know SFS has 20 or so cars every time they run but, What if the fair board and Lanny part ways what would you 20 or so cars do then?


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cheese21
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Lanny told dad that our car count would need to get down to 10 a night in order to get ASCS rules. I think the best way to do this is to just keep asking him everytime you see him. Even the fans can do it. I don't know what dad's plan is with the list, but we will hold onto it for a while as right now it would just get tossed by the office.

I understand the market could be flooded with heads and wings to the 2 barrel guys, but that is assuming that everyone sells at the same time and that all of the supers will go ascs. I know that some would go 2-barrell. A lot of super teams already have 2 barrels built. I just think that what would be best for sprint car racing in OKC is to have ASCS rules and 2 barrel rules.

Like Tom said we would get cars from all over. How cool would it be to see how we stack up against Hockett, Danny Wood, Nick Smith, Brady Bacon etc on a weekly basis. In my opinion we have good enough drivers and equipment to do it.


 

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Ya cheese, Just remember how many ASCS and NCRA weekend shows that were rained out on wedensday or thursday. Witch they could say let's check the radar and go to OKC and get the car ready for the next show there at SFS. Because the last time I looked we are in the center of the US. Then sat get up hit shows on the way back home.

I know we do not live in a perfect world, But Lanny is in the Hall of Fame for doing a good job at his race tracks for years. And I commend him for that. But it is time to step back and take a hard look at this, Because if they wait untill the car count goes to 10 everybody will already be pisssed and won't come back anyway. Look at the ones that have left and won't come back, not the ones that really deserve to be kicked out I'm talking about the drivers that feel like they have been done wrong or tired of the BS.We are the people that pay our way in at the gates to put on and to see a good show.


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TBoutwell
August 15, 2009 at 02:10:03 PM
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Why was Crabill DQ'ED?



rhilbers
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Mufflers I would guess they pulled the top five in the B to the scales and you could tell what they were looking for they checked him waived him on and did not weigh him.


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bandit19
August 15, 2009 at 04:40:02 PM
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I talked to Jim during intermission and he told me that his muffler had fallen out during the race.

Which brings me to ask....if you start a race with mufflers in and one falls out or maybe you had contact with another car and it gets knocked out,,,,,,is that really grounds for being dq'd??

Just wondering.




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August 15, 2009 at 06:12:27 PM
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mjm, Tmac, Cheese.

Thanks very much for the respectful opinions. I will read them again after the races tonight - they are loaded with good points - I'll need to soak it in awhile wink


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August 15, 2009 at 09:29:22 PM
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Tom, Sleepy, and Cheese, I agree 100%. If Track promoters could only see past their noses not only in the Sprint class, but all classes and maintain a "Industry Standard of Rules" if you will. It would certainly increase car counts and at the same time keep cost down for the Race Teams.

Instead of what we have now, which is Promoters saying "Hell if thay gunna run them rules we gunna made ours difrunt that away we gonna have them local boys lock'd in at ours track. Don't matter what the rest of em is doin we dun set are rules so to hell with fancy nancy NCRA, OCRS, an them ASCS daels we gunna make big mony.

This seems to be the attitude of most Promoters not realising that in the event of a Rain-out or an off week at their local track a Race Team may want to travel. The current systems causes Race teams to Field (2) to (3) different cars to be legal at any certain track on a weekly basis.

Think about what Mr. TMac said; if Race Teams are spending basically the same amount of money to maintain and keep "City rules" as opposed to a "ASCS, or NCRA, or OCRS rules" in the Sprint classes, and State Fair Speedway in Oklahoma City is the only track in the whole 50 States area of the United States of America where these opposing "Lanny Edwards" rule configurations are acceptable to compete on a weekly basis. Something smells funny at the Fish Farm.

Excuse me if my Math is off, but it seems to me that there is only (1) Track across the Nation running the "Super Sprint" rules and /or the Super Sprint class.

This post has seemed to lean toward the Sprint Cars, but I think it applies to all classes and all Tracks.

 

 







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