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I sat there when he said all he said when he was getting his trophy then in his Main he showed the worst form of Sportsmanship I have ever seen ... Yeah he got DQ'd and I think that was a 100% ok decision by the officials but I would have expected better out of him that to purposely hit the 56 car ... This is why I say if they gave out a Sportsmanship trophy I think it would be a tough choice I saw the Nunleys trying to plow over people and then Casey Henning actually purposely plowed into 56 car and then Jay Sales was having a rough night. Michael Brown I would definitely expect better out of ... I mean even if it is just a small racing incident oops at least show some sportsmanship and say hey Guy I am sorry was just having a off night not act a fool .... Henning I honestly think you owe 56 a apology. I sincerely hope that I am not the only one that sees alot of poor sportsmanship out on Lawton Track Lately or maybe has been that way for a long Time.

And what The H*ll a car is on fire and a the flagman which is a prior racer just ignores it or the flying debris getting ignorred right in his face I guess as long as the money is not coming out of his pocket he does not care if the drivers have to replace a tire from the debris or the driver in the car on fire gets hurt ... Again a lack of showing any common sense but I guess that also falls back on head officials that need to open the eyes al little more ... Come on Lawton I enjoy the racing but it is getting dangerous and I for one as a fan do not want to see any driver hurt or having to throw money away because a poor call on officials part and I would hope and assume Lanny would rather not have a driver on fire while the officials are ignoring it or debris flying up and hurting someone or a race car severely .. Lets get it together out there

Sorry I was on a soap box I really did sit andthink about all this for quite awhile before posting HAVE A GREAT WEEK ALL

I predicted that someone could not resist posting a negative comment about the #2 Henning Racing Team and Driver Casey Henning.

You are welcome to your opinion, but the fact that the comment was mixed with a like negative about the Nunley Brothers and a dirt style of racing that is practised by every driver at this track and every other one, displays a total bias towards the Henning Racing Team and the Nunley Racing Teams.

Note here that these teams pitting next to each other and being friends wouldn't be a factor in how you view them as a whole....now would it?

Further the Race Teams you seem to notice more with your opinions wouldn't be because they pit closest to the Grand Stand and you get to see all the action and emotion displayed during racing ?

The same action and emotion is very often displayed at other pits through out the LS pit area......oh but wait......you can't see or hear the others..!

Why can't you make a comment about Henning Racing ( Pointed or otherwise) without mixing it all up with your obvious bias? Then maybe it would be taken serious.

I wont defend any racers actions that fall into the category of dangerous, abusive, provoking, or that would be defined as unsportsmanlike like conduct. I never have.

Simply labelling Casey Henning as a " Bad Sportsman" and not explaining the incident that raised this issue with you, shows the bias you have.

Explain what it is you saw from your point of view and allow the readers to decide if its the same as what they saw and what perceptions they came away with. What did you see?

I saw the incident, I saw the re-plays, I heard all the discussions with officials, I saw the two drivers involved ramp up emotionally, I saw their respective camps rally to their drivers cause, but I have not came to the this forum and labelled either one of the drivers in a negative way.

The # 56 ? Let's face it, the excitement a child driver generates in the Grand Stands is fun and we all enjoy the successes of these upstarts. In context we tend to extend a protective hand towards these kids when there is racing action on the track. In perspective though, this young man is racing a car in a dirt track race, there will be incidents and if he is to become a race car driver, he must move through these incidents as everyone else does and learn. Over reaction and labelling drivers will do nothing to improve either drivers situation on or off the track.

I know it will be hard to believe, but I do agree with you on the officials calling yellows. There does seem to be a lack of attention at times by the officials. As far as debris goes, that is a call that must be made at track level and surly must be called if it is metal debris or a tire. If something does fly up off the track into the stands that will be hard to explain later for sure. The officials could spend a little time during yellows checking cars involved in yellows for body parts and stuff that are about to come off.

MM

Fight to win on the Track, not in the parking lot! I 
just love the " Ur # 1. wave " from fellow racers as 
we head home to our other lives !

Maybe the grandstands like the 56 because he is a young AND CLEAN DRIVER!!!! As far as moving through the incidents on the track, I think he has proven that he can learn, watch and drive through most. It is very hard to get through a incident when your in front of another car and then your spun around (taken out) Might I add that they are several young drivers out there giving it there all, some are still learning and most come from racing backgrounds, so dont make it seem like thats the only reason the fans like the #56 They Like him because he is a clean, young, sportsman type of race car driver that people love!

Note: As for blaming flagman for "not throwing yellows, etc" trust that he does not make all the calls.

Traci Barker Cox

Any time young Drivers take the track it is a double edged sword! It is real easy to blame the kids for ANY incident that they are involved in no matter wheather they can drive or not, just because they are young. Just because somebody is older than someone else dosent mean they are smarter or a cleaner Driver. Trust me I know Tyler has been racin since he was 15 now 22 and Colby at 7 now 11 and they have both been in situations where we're at fault and other times we we're the ones not at fault. But the young Drivers need to keep commin and the old folks need to chill on what ever their problem is.

"Racing is an Addiction cured by Poverty"         
BOBCAT

Traci

I'm not looking at am issue with you, but I'm sorry...but you have completely lost me. You seem to think I attacked the #56, am I right?

I was commenting on the entire circumstance and did not make a negative comment about the #56.

I'm mystified as to the intensity of the response. That's strange

Let me attempt to address and maybe clear up what appears to be your concerns regarding my post:

Moving through incidents....."figuratively".....speaking. Not any particular incident on the track. I mean all the race issues on an ongoing basis.

Do you elude that other racers are "Not Clean Drivers" ? Did you really mean that?. IMO Most racers are clean drivers.

Did you mean you have to be " Young" to be beloved by the fans. If so I know about 60 other racers and about 1000 fans around Comanche County that would disagree with you.

Not sure what you mean by "Proven". Going around marking seat miles and counting laps really doesn't "Prove" much other than that turning left is not as easy as it looks and those first place wins are a moment to savour.

Was the 56 spun out? What did you see?

Yup, lots of good clean driving young men out there racing. I think you contradicted your self, your point would be...ah what?

Coming from a racing family isn't an automatic indication of inherited talent. There is more to this sport than being born into it. An entitlement mentality will get you no where. Racing and being a respected competitor according to ones own ability is what counts.

I can prove that respect on the dirt track is hard earned and must be maintained by the driver and no one else.

Not sure what you mean by "making it seem that is the only reason fans like the 56" ? Can you explain for me?

If you want to say he is "LOVED" and is a "SPORTSMAN", you go right ahead. I must note here that it is apparent your objectivity or lack of it is obvious..

I said nothing about "FLAGMAN" not throwing yellows. ( #56 is related to the flagman?), I said they need to pay more attention ( They being the officials), nothing about the "FLAGMAN" !

You seem to have jumped quite quickly to the defense when there is nothing to defend,. Which is a sure sign of a guiltily conscience so maybe there is something to defend? I dont know, but you do!

Thanks

MM

Fight to win on the Track, not in the parking lot! I 
just love the " Ur # 1. wave " from fellow racers as 
we head home to our other lives !

No problem here......

Just stating the facts for what they are.

We dont need to read into anything that occurs on the track. Age of the driver or experience or what race family they come from should have no factor in whether a racer drives clean or otherwise. Whether a particular incident was or wasn't called correctly.

Look at the facts, the vids, and listen to the officials. The conclusions reached should, and I repeat "should" only be reached based on impartial analysis of the facts and the impartial opinions of those in the best positions around the track to have seen the view angles of what ever particular incident occurred.

To allow the court of popular opinion to decide the call, is just, well is just ridiculous. None of which will serve either driver any good what so ever in the long run.

MM

Fight to win on the Track, not in the parking lot! I 
just love the " Ur # 1. wave " from fellow racers as 
we head home to our other lives !

Mike I wasnt neccasarly telling you to chill. Just that young Drivers do earn a fan base easier just because they are young. And older Drivers have to earn their fans through accomplishments and character. I usually watch Colby from the stands and because of his age people want to see him succeed. He's has received a black flag, been put into the fence and had his car break during a race all lesson all Drivers have to learn no mater what their age is. Getting younger drivers started early gives them a start that most other Drivers never had. I'm automaticly a fan of a young Driver just because they have the courage to try.

"Racing is an Addiction cured by Poverty"         
BOBCAT

Ok lets see here.

"The # 56 ? Let's face it, the excitement a child driver generates in the Grand Stands is fun and we all enjoy the successes of these upstarts. In context we tend to extend a protective hand towards these kids when there is racing action on the track. In perspective though, this young man is racing a car in a dirt track race, there will be incidents and if he is to become a race car driver, he must move through these incidents as everyone else does and learn. Over reaction and labelling drivers will do nothing to improve either drivers situation on or off the track."

I believe your comment was posted as a reply to the luvinracing65 and the topic was concerning the 56. So yes as far as you making this comment I see it as "your point of view" and nothing else.

As for a "guiltily conscience" NO i can 100% tell you I usually have none. You are good at getting on here and making your statements and then trying to turn everything around, But most of us just right your statements off as BS.

As far as trying to attempt to make it out like i think all other drivers are bad drivers, Wont work! I was not making a comment about all other drivers I was simply replying to the ones you have choosen to call out.

* As far as flagman and yellows, I do not make a seperate reply to address each persons post. I simply post one comment and most people can figure it out all on there own.

* Tyler is just 14

No, I didn't think you were.....I was agreeing with you.

If folks would read what I first posted on the topic in this thread, they would see that we agree and that there was no attack on the young fella.

But sadly it seems that some attack me instead of addressing the issue in a racing incident, it seems to turn to philosophical political assignation of anyone thought to be in opposition. Ill quote another member here. " if you cant beat them, crash'm".....figuratively speaking of course.

So again, sadly, its the status quo tit for tat, instead of moving forward and learning.

Theses level of racers should be having fun and enjoying their time on the track. With all this drama anytime there is any kind of incident, how can this be a memorable time.

Again, I think we see pretty much eye to eye on this stuff. Sorry if I didn't make myself more clear the first time. I never was much for expressing myself in writing.

Thanks for understanding

MM

Fight to win on the Track, not in the parking lot! I 
just love the " Ur # 1. wave " from fellow racers as 
we head home to our other lives !

Thanks for the non-answer.

I guess you are part right, your silence in response to simple questions asked under the same like assumptions you made against my post speaks volumes. Folks will indeed figure it out. Just like they all ready do.

Please take a few minutes and respond to my questions in an open dialogue. There is no winner or loser here just an open discussion about facts at issue.

Again.....why the stress on this racers age as if that had any bearing on the race incident. Are you trying to imply that his young age should allow for a free pass. Otherwise why keep stressing it?

I like the fact you have no guilt...."100%" that you usually never have any. I on the other hand often make mistakes, i'm human and feel guilty enough to say so and apologise when necessary.

As far as my making statements on here and other places. No I dont turn things around. I try to take what has been "Turned" around by drama crews and place it back in the correct light called facts and attempt to draw out the crew for an open debate of the facts.

You can write me off as BS all you want. My mail box is full everyday with folks who agree with my views on things, but are afraid to post here because of the battles lines that get drawn and side taking that goes on. No one wants to be a target of the fall out and animosities that brew up over these nothing incidents.

You might ask why do I respond to these post? I leaned a long time ago that once a statement is posted and that statement goes unchallenged or un-responded to, then the forum community and/or internet community preceives the post as truthful. Or at the least only have one half of the story from one half of the issue in which to make their decision.

You could change that right now and so could the fan who started this thread. Lets look at the facts and questions as posed.

I would like to see this kid just race and have fun. He appears to have the ability and the equipment. Maybe those who support him should do the same; race and have fun and enjoy the fact that you are doing what a lot of folks will never get to do, all in the company of like minded friends and neighbors.

Save the drama for when it counts for something. Here at LS it is just not necessary, especially while we, as a community of racers, are showing the ropes to these kids.

Thanks

MM

PS......Whats the deal with the Flagman again ? I said nothing about him !

Fight to win on the Track, not in the parking lot! I 
just love the " Ur # 1. wave " from fellow racers as 
we head home to our other lives !

Goodmorning Traci

I made the offer to discuss your views and mine on this subject.

Apparently you believe that quantifying any statement you make is not necessary. Unfortunately your silence will not make your views look any better.

This is precisely why issues like this harm and turn into animosities which turn into bad feelings all around. You have helped this to continue with your lack of defending your position and adding unrelated issues to cloud the real facts.

You say what ever you want to say but believe you never have to back it up in an open forum.

I see how this thing works now. Fool me once shame on you, fool me the second time shame on me....fool me the third time.....dont think so. Check out the thriller vid from last saturday. You will see it was just as described....enjoy.

Thank you for the time Lawton Speedway 6/27/09 Highlight video I believe it is all around frames 5:24 and 5:34

MM

Fight to win on the Track, not in the parking lot! I 
just love the " Ur # 1. wave " from fellow racers as 
we head home to our other lives !

Check out the Thriller Highlite vid of last saturday.

You will see the incident with Henning Racing and the #56. starting around frames 5:24 through 5:34

Its all a racing deal and the verbal account by Henning with officials falls directly in line with this video's point of view. A view far better than any view of the incident I have seen to date,

If you will remain objective the issue is clear and there is no fault.

If you are pre-judging Henning's intentions or feeling protective of the #56, or tend to over react and go along with fan opinion, then this wont help you see what really happened.

Remove yourself from the memory of that incident and view this video and its unique point of view with a fresh open mind.

Thanks

MM

Fight to win on the Track, not in the parking lot! I 
just love the " Ur # 1. wave " from fellow racers as 
we head home to our other lives !

Mr. Burch,

You apparently have no life! You have to comment on every topic looking for someone to bite. The calls were made by the officials before the video and stood after veiwing the video. Let it rest. You have your opinon and a shit load of others have the right one. Maybe you yourself needs to re-read you own post to decide what the heck your trying to talk about. I did noticed on other post that you jumped (yet again) into a post that you knew nothing about and I believe the moderator had to more less tell you how it was. I believe you made a statement then about needing glasses or having them checked out (not sure because as you can tell i really dont pay a hell of alot attention to your post)

but maybe you should take your own advice. As for this topic i am done. I do have a life and cannot spend 24/7 trying to break everyting down for your sake. Have a great night and see ya Sat.

Traci

Amen!!!

Hey Tyler... It don't matter what they say as long as they spell the name right!!

I have stupid question... when did they start looking at video on the flagstand? I always thought the flagman, blind or not, made his call from what he saw in real time? I could be mistakin, but I always have... sad part, we ain't gonna re-run the race, and just like all else, it happens on a race track, deal with it and go on. You guys with video have it way to easy to make the call.

Yep, I'm a Tyler Webb fan, and he knows I'll black flag his ass if he screws up... but I also know I wish I had 10 more just like him when he shows up for the Young Guns!! Tyler ain't no kid when he straps in his 56, he's a racer... give him that respect!!

TH

Goodmorning Traci

Yup, I actually do have a life, even though it seems I post a little more than the next guy. I could really care less what you think of my activity on this forum, but I'm sure if I exceed the "Post Limit" someone like you will be sure to pop up and say something negative about it.

As far as David having to tell me " how it was ", that was a mistake on my part believing a post was directed at me, when in fact it was not. I admitted my mistake and stated jokingly that I need glasses. It was in a Post involving ' 20stewart' and his not attending the cyclone 50 and it being on the 4th. That post is still up and can be read by anyone who wants to check the actual context in which the comments were made. CYCLONE 50 make up date!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nice try, but it wont work. Wow, you really do dig trying to find something to defame me with.

Wouldn't it be easier and less time consumming to simply respond to my simple questions in an open dialogue about the facts at issue instead of trying to discredit me? My goodness.

Yes I agree the calls were made, and they stand. That my dear friend was not the issue. You "turned" it into that issue.

Mine is not just an opinion! A bucket load of friends and relatives all rallying to a particular view point doesn't make it "The Right One".

So if we agree the calls stand, whats all your comments all about?

It seems you turned it all around on your own. Im sorry you got lost in your own innuendo and couldn't't find the topic. I drifted up into your diatribe from the main line in order to address your statements. I attempted to ask pertinent questions about those statements. I wasn't lost for a second. I think you apparently became lost in your own cloud of dust.

You obviously " Jump" ( using your terms) , by your own admission, by not reading my post, but commenting about them as if you did. Come on. I slave over a hot keyboard and you dont even try to read my post!

You wouldn't be breaking it down for me alone, you would be breaking it down for anyone who is interested in the topic.

I will post on any topic I desire. I would never say you post too much, or dont have a life if you post........its your right Traci to post..... so I wouldn't infringe on it one way or the other.

In the years posting on all kinds of threads and forums; racing or otherwise, I have found that if you dont have a case, or your position is weak you attack the poster, distract by spinning off in unrelated areas, try to pretend to have the high ground by claiming everyone agrees with you, or even try silence and a refusual to directly respond to a direct question......oh and there is the old " you post too much about everything and have too much opinion about stuff....!

Stop deflecting and simply answer a question from the start and the truth and facts rise up to the surface, ....but isn't that percisely what they are trying to avoid?

Have a nice morning Traci...see ya saturday at the 50......oh....even through you wont answer me...I really do enjoy our exchange and how you zig and zag, your good.

Thanks

MM

Fight to win on the Track, not in the parking lot! I 
just love the " Ur # 1. wave " from fellow racers as 
we head home to our other lives !

Agreed.....

But ..Tyler is not my first choice.....there is another youngster out there who is not getting as much press, who has some talent.

This other kid is coming along well and its fun to watch him improve with each race. Its become more of an equipment issue than a experence issue now, so that will have to be addressed soon if he is to move in the points.

MM

Fight to win on the Track, not in the parking lot! I 
just love the " Ur # 1. wave " from fellow racers as 
we head home to our other lives !

Ok, I saw the Webb / Henning incident live on Saturday night and thought then that Henning intentionally hit Webb on the backstretch when Tyler first started to pass him. Then when Tyler got completely and cleanly around Henning in turn 4 - Henning hit him again. However, I did not comment on here until I had watched the video (Thanks Thriller) numerous times. I believe without a doubt now that it was intentional and the DQ is the right call. And cuddos to Tyler for handling it all with dignity and maturity. No tantrum, just a wave to the crowd when they applauded him. This is exactly what I saw from my point of view, live and on the replay. Good job to the officials for making the call.

GOD, Family, Dirt Track Racing,  OU Football, and the 
Dallas Cowboys is what we live for:)

I don't have any horse in this race, but, I 100% agree with the race officials on this one. I don't agree with leaving it green too long when someone spins, and I do realize that first of all this is always a tough call, but then again, any call that must be made for safety always is and that someone thinks it is a good idea to not let the flagman make the right calls. I believe that the flagman thinks the caution should be thrown, he should have authority to do so. I personally don't agree with purposefully making the track dry.But that is a whole different rant!

"Just a dirt track racer"

Folks

My original response W A S N O T about the DQ / Black flag or the "Flagman himself"..........!!

IT WAS ABOUT CALLING HENNING A ' B A D S P O R T S MA N" AND THAT HE SHOULD APOLOGISE TO THE # 56, AND THAT THE POST ASSOCIATED HENNINGS DRIVING WITH A COMMENT ABOUT THE NUNLEYS " P L O W D R I V I N G ". ! ! !

Since everyone wants to challenge the intentions of the #2 here is my take on it since no one else will describe what they saw:

I firmly believe after viewing the thriller video ( which provided another good view point of the action) and combined with the others that I viewed, AS WELL as my personally witnessing the incident that the following is evident:

Lawton Speedway 6-27-09 Highlights Use this You Tube Link. It is more clear and a little larger screen size. Start around frame 5:25 through 5:35 or so.

If you want to see an intentional act you will, Dont let the fan noise influence your opinion. If you want to read the below account and then look at the vid a few times you will see what Henning said appears to be right on.

#1. The #56 got a good fast run on the inside of the #2 on the back straight away and passed the #2 just before going into turn #3.

#2. The #2 did not have to veer from his line as the #56 had gone past him and entered turn # 3 on his own lower line.

#3. The #56 entered turn #3 low on the inside and fast just after passing the #2.. The #56 seeing he was too fast for the entry at that point either braked or let off the gas, because the #2 over takes the #56 on the outside going into turn #3. At that point the #56 drifts up from his momentum or braking and contact is made with the #2 who is on his line over taking the #56 on the outside, upon the entry into turn #3.

#4. The contact with the #2 and #56 looks worse that it actually was. The contact did cause the #56 to slow even more which did allow the #2 who had the momentum now and who had been forced by the first contact to steer into the infield to over take the #56 on the infield side.

#5. The #2 attempted to maintain control on the infield and inside edge as he came back on the track between Turn #3 and #4.

#6. The #2 apparently saw the #56 at the last second as he, the #2, entered the track because the #2 car brakes and slides sideways at first, just before contact with the #56 then grabs side bite and runs up in the area of turn #4 and makes contact with the #56 and the #56 spins out.

#7. The #2 then moves on around the accident and continues to race.

This was almost word for word what I heard Henning and his crew chief inform the officials.

If you look at it with un-biased eyes, its evident what occurred. You can just as easily read into it that it was all done intentionally, if you want to think that way.

Hennig states it was not intentional and I will side with his version, especially after viewing the thriller vid and it matches what Henning says happened.

Now as far as calling Henning out as being a Bad Sportsman, and implying a few other nasty things about this young man, allow me to say that in his series there are few drivers that have attained his level of talent and skill behind the wheel. He is and will be the remainder of this season

Y O U R

M I N I

S T OC K

TRACK

CHAMPION

and a S P O R T S M A N in every-way

he has earned the right to be respected for that success. Apparently it seems some around the pits are a little jealous of their Track Champion. You shouldn't't be, he is one of you, and anyone can do the same as he did, if you want to and have some talent for racing.

Henning is an honest and clean driver and is one of the best side by side drivers around. He races hard and gives it his all on the track. To say or even imply that he intentionally made contact with the #56 is beyond reality its plain ridiculous. The cost of repairs ?? Come on put your thinking caps on folks. Most contact on a track is by accident. Its racing.

If anyone deserves an apology from anyone it is Casey Henning, Track Champion, Car #2 Mini Stock 2008.

Get on with your racing program #56, it was a racing deal.....the officials make a split second call and I will stand by what they said, you can't re-do the race, but it was a racing deal and nothing else. Maybe you two drivers should talk privately about it or just forget it, with no hard feelings and move on.

Lets go racin'

MM C Y C L O N E 50 Lawton Speedway

Fight to win on the Track, not in the parking lot! I 
just love the " Ur # 1. wave " from fellow racers as 
we head home to our other lives !