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Black flag, Yellow flag... First time at Lawton Speedway huh??? LOL. Nah man, Thats craps been going on for YEARS! It's getting better though... A couple of years ago they could have a 12 car pile up on the track, and they would wait 3 or 4 laps before they through the yellow! I once got banned for 2 weeks for walking away (Instead of beating them into the ground) because an "offical" poked me in the chest... If you ask me, its not just the drivers that need to wear helmets...?

Speed kills. But you get there faster. 

Actually, in the sprint race, the 4 car was black flagged for getting into the 5 car. While the wreck was not intentional (Robert and Joe Bob are good friends and there is no way he would have intentionally wrecked him) it definately was not the smoothest move on his part. (just a little over aggressive with an ill handling car) We accepted the black flag with our tails between our legs and went home. An appology is forthcoming to Joe Bob.

The 99 sprint was also black flagged for bumping the 1 car. IMO there was no rough driving involved at all - it was just a racing deal. I also agree that Sellers did not intentionally hit Joe Bob, again, just a racing deal.

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Well, I was going to bit my tongue or not post on this deal. But since this thread is about black flags & Lawton Speedway (or no black flags) I must weigh in.

As usual when I feel a bad call has been made on our team/driver/car I will let the officials know our opinion, as I did on this deal. With no disrespect to the official, because he did listen to our complaint.

He felt it was the right call, but you see the the thing about it is they sometimes only see a car spinning out & then assume or hear that (in this case the #99 car spun the #1) out & call it rough driving.

Well as with everybody we tend to watch the car we are with or own/?, and see the laps pryer to the incident, in this case the #99 was running on the bottom in turns 3&4 the #1 was running/entering a bit higher, loseing ground the #1 changed his line and came across the front or the #99 causing the spin, no intentional or rough driving.

What I don't understand, or like is the black flag was never thrown until about 8 laps later and in those laps 2 more yellows still no black flag until the #5 & #4 deal. Was told the flagman was to busy... lol

If you feel there is rough driving or a reason to throw a black flag ,MAKE THE CALL/ BLACK FLAG THEM AT THAT POINT.

8 green laps later makes me/some beleive somebody got a ear full before making a call that should have been made on the fly.

Champ sprints car count at Lawton is really weak (8 to 10 cars) so they really don't need bad calls or influenced calls as this won't help the car count. Hopefully this won't hamper the opportunity for Koby to drive the #99 sprint at lawton.

JMO...fire away !

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I wasn't going to donate my cents worth, .......but a computer is no fun unless you slide it side ways once in a while...................so,,,,,,,,

A few weeks back 34n was BF for rough driving. From the pit stands it looked like a racing deal.

I forget the other cars number,....hummm ...welll.....anyway.....34n was between turns 3 and 4 when this other car either checked up, moved up, or spun in front of him. 34n had no place to go and braked sliding into the other car on the slick track.

Looking at vids of the incident....it was pure and simple......A RACE DEAL. .....with the other car seeming to spin out a tad and move up into the path of 34n. The other car spun out after 34n tapped him at the END of a hard braking slide while trying to avoid the car. The videos dont lie.

NOW.....last week in an A feature that will go un-identified. Two cars ( un-identified on purpose), got together off turn 1 and midway through to turn 2 the lead car of the two was spun out by the other one. The contact was too long in duration to be by accident and once the lead car started to spin the rear car appeared to speed up and drive through the lead cars spin , off the lead cars rear bumber, and exited turn 2 at accelerated speed.

No BF was issued to this driver for rough driving in this incident. The entire pit stand was voicing their displeasure with the lack of a obvious need for the a BF.

Where the officials notified of the situation? Yes. They were in the stands with us and heard and saw the same thing we all did. But it seems he ( the official ) decided not to call a BF.

There appears to be no definative way to analize when a BF is thrown. Looking at all the incidents past and present there is no real pattern as to what is right and what is wrong. Its the officials decision and it is based on race experence and how he saw it go down.

I do feel that it is an individual official call, and not really based on a iron clad set of rules. As in any sport, the officials make the calls. They are not always right and the folks in the stands are not allways right. We have to live with the call , make our objections known, ( in a civil manner), and move on to race another day.

I would like to see track officials using vidieo cameras for a second look during a caution ( if the incident caused a yellow) before they BF a car. During green flag racing this would be all but impossible to do and the official must make the call one way of the other on his own. Then look at the vids later to see if it was the right call.

While on the topic.............I would like to see a rule wherein if a car is taken out in a spin or otherwise is the end receiver of another drivers "Rough Driving", and the offender is BF for that violation, then the Victim" of the "Rough Driving" should not lose his position in the field and should RE-Start in the same position he held pror to the incident..........JMO

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Mike I wish I had the answer for that. I got black flagged for what I'm gonna call an unavoidable incident last week and this week my car looks like I backed over every car in the field and got spun in no less than another unavoidable incident after getting passed by a car under yellow. I guess thats what I get for tryin to pump how much better the race track is being run this year and tryin to get more cars to show up. Guess thats how it works. Won't make that mistake again!

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the track is good and well ran imo, but i have been to elk city this yr horrible everything. Lot of good racing at lawton sat. night , its hard to keep from bumping running 2 and 3 wide going into the corner. I think i touched 2 cars in the a and i appologized to both of them. Fun track keep up the good work

As far as the black flag goes, the flag man does not have to throw it every time somesome gets black flagged. EVERYONE of the drivers are suppose to have radios. They are told on the radio if they have been dq and for what reason example, rough driving, flat, smoking etc. only after the drivers refuses to pull off the track or seems to not have a radio (which all should) the flagman waves the black flag and the board with your car numbers can be sen fron in field. I think the radios help alot it allows the flagman to keep his eye on the track and the racing.

Traci

I am not trying to be critical of you C.A.. In fact, I really enjoy watching you race. I have read most of your previous posts, and agree with all except one point. I know that there are about 25-30 drivers that really like the track the way that it has been (super dry SLICK). I know that there just as many that would prefer the track to be good and tacky for the "A" features. I have also had many fans ask, "What is wrong?" as well as "There is not very much side-by-side racing and less passing than there has been in the past". Some ask me, "what is wrong?".

It understand it is impossible to make everyone happy, but I think the track should be prepared " to be the best it can be" instead of trying to make it dry slick to keep some racers happy (or keep from tearing up race cars). I predicted several weeks ago that the mod racers would race conservatively for a few weeks, then with the track being sooooo slick, would start driving beyond their control, and cars would be getting torn up. I think that Lupi is/ has been doing a great job with the exception of making the track as good as it can be.

I am hoping that with ASCS here Saturday, we will see the tacky Lawton Speedway that we all know provides some of the best racing anywhere. If not, I plan to be spending more time at the lake or seeing some of the other tracks on Saturday nights.

"Just a dirt track racer"

Not sure I understand what you don't agree with me on, I don't mind the heavy heat races but 20 laps of heavy is extreamly hard on equipment and I for one don't have a motor that will live on the stuff. I like racing on heavy I won 2 championships on it but I'm still paying on the credit card bills from that from 4 years ago. Guess I should quit bitchin and go to a class I can afford, heck then I might be able to see my son more than 4 or 5 hours a week. Sounds like a plan to me!

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On your BF deal, it was wrong.....and if the truth would be known, ...."They" know it was a bad call now, but what can they do? Nothing it seems.

Heavy-Tacky Vs Dry Slick brought a huge debate last year after winter nationals at LS.

I believe there is a middle ground here somewhere.......!! But where?

Everyone has an opinion, and mine is no better than anyone else's, but let me say this: If the track is rubbered up -dry- slick.... run the water truck around a few times before the Mod-A, especially if the Sprint-A is before the Mod-A. Do this in all the A features when the track is really dry.

I believe this middle ground would help the speed and passing in the first few laps of the A and as the track drys out again, the Drivers who thrive on rubbered-up dry slick tracks can relax and "Drive".

I like both type tracks, 40% tacky 60% dry down the middle, with 50/50 down low, and a high cushion with moist clay marbles. The cushion moves out and drys up a little with each lap so you have to have a some what of heavy track to start with to end up with a damp/dry cushion in the A features. Otherwise there is just no traction to launch off of on exiting turns on dry tracks. JMO

Keep up the good work Mr. Nix

MM

Fight to win on the Track, not in the parking lot! I 
just love the " Ur # 1. wave " from fellow racers as 
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I strongly agree with your op on a perfect track.

I think I just like it when there are competing grooves - so that drivers can get their elbows up and take different lines and get some good daring racin' going.

Hope the track is good down at Lawton saturday

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Does anyone remember when racing was racing at the Lawton Speedway? May be dating myself here but I remember drivers like Rick Lowry, Jimmy Barker, Ken Sweet, Bobby Walker, Jr Bruner and the late great AJ Little puttimg on one hell of a show on a track that would support two or three cars of any class running through the corner looking like they were all hooked together on the same steering system, could it be like this again, I for one believe it could, an dcould be replicated with todays talent across the classes.

Lanny if you would like to sell the operation complete, with concessions etc, you have my number

Bubba Hays

 

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Ok here goes... first off instead of griping about the "track conditions" take into consideration the amount of time Lupi and his crew put into giving us a track to go to every Saturday night. And in case no one has noticed,,,Mother Nature has not been kind to our track this year at all. With winds like we have been getting I think the track has held up pretty good. I have spent many nights in past years covering my eyes from the blowing dust (both in the stands and in the pits)...get over it this is OKLAHOMA. Bubba, I do remember watching all those drivers you mentioned and they never complained about track conditions they just went out and put on a great show every night.

From what I can tell the people with opinions on here do not attend any meetings to voice their concerns to the people that count. I invite each of you to attend tonight. Lupi is very fair and will listen.

SB

WOW! You just described one of the wonderful attributes that drives Racers and Fans to the D I R T Tracks all across this Great Red Dirt Nation of ours.

Please, if D I R T gets in your soda bothers you, get a sippy cup with a long hose and keep it in your mouth. I personally grave a little grit in my track beverage as I have a low iron count at the end of the week..lol. Battery powered fresh air systems are available for helmets and you can get some tear offs to keep the visor clean. If I don't snort a little red powder on Saturday night I get all depressed and MAD. Hell I was just about born at this track and was raised at dirt tracks every where as such I developed reptilian like extra eye lids to handle the dust...lol..!

It seems that you still have some grit in places grit don't belong from wearing those 3-corner drawers.

Some fans sit through rain to watch football, and continue to support their team. Those who dont like rain dont go and chose a more climate controlled sport like Pool , Darts and Beer Pong. Hummm... that dont sound that bad...lol...anyway....if you dont like the rain.....!

I thought this was about Black Flags !! LOL !! What's your view of that issue from the " PHBFC" plastic high backed fart catchers?

MM

Fight to win on the Track, not in the parking lot! I 
just love the " Ur # 1. wave " from fellow racers as 
we head home to our other lives !