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Lucas Oil ASCS to Put Wraps on 2009 Season with Western World Championships!
ASCS Canyon Region Also on USA Raceway Twin Bill
Lonnie Wheatley, TULSA, Okla. (May 29, 2009) – The Western World Championships have undergone all variety of transformations over the years. From non-wing to winged and back again and under all variety of sanctioning bodies.
With the recent closure of Manzanita Speedway in Phoenix, AZ, the 42nd edition of the Western World Championships will shift to Tucson's USA Raceway. And, that's not all that's changing, as this year's Western World will feature the Lucas Oil ASCS Sprint Car Dirt Series presented by K&N Filters as well as the wingless warriors of the Discount Tire Co. ASCS Canyon Region.
Both the winged and wingless forces will tackle USA Raceway's 3/8-mile clay oval for three nights on November 19, 20 and 21, with more than $85,000 in "A" Feature money alone distributed over the course of the blockbuster event. A $10,000 share awaits the winner of the Lucas Oil ASCS season-ender on November 21, with the Discount Tire Co. ASCS Canyon Region conqueror on November 21 pocketing $3,000.
The Lucas Oil ASCS portion of the Western World will also award ASCS Southwest Regional points.
The event replaces the previously announced Sprint Bandits TNT double for November 13-14 due to scheduling conflicts that have arisen since the April 14 announcement.
"This will showcase what is quickly becoming the nation's premier winged Sprint Car series in the Lucas Oil ASCS as well as give the ASCS Canyon Region a signature event," USA Raceway co-promoter Kevin Montgomery commented.
The three-night stand will mark the first time for both the Lucas Oil ASCS Sprint Car Dirt Series presented by K&N Filters and the Discount Tire Co. ASCS Canyon Region to appear on the same card.
"Give this event a couple of years to grow and the Western World will once again be one of the premier events in the country, if not THE premier event," commented ASCS founder and President Emmett Hahn.
The Western World will be the 2009 championship points finale for the Lucas Oil ASCS Sprint Car Dirt Series presented by K&N Filters, which will distribute $250,000 among its top 15 in final points including $60,000 to the champion. Also the season finale for the ASCS Southwest Region, It will mark the first appearance for the Lucas Oil ASCS National series in Arizona.
Bringing the best in wingless Sprint Car racing to Arizona, the Discount Tire Co. ASCS Canyon Region will crown its champion over the weekend as well.
Tennessee's Kevin Swindell became the 25th different winner of the Western World by topping the 2008 edition of the event last November, adding his name to a prestigious list of past winners that includes his father Sammy Swindell, who won the event in both 1980 and 1989.
Steve Kinser has claimed the most Western World titles with seven triumphs including wingless wins in 1982 and 1983 followed by winged wins in 1985, 1987, 1990, 1992 and 1996.
Ron Shuman is next on the list with five Western World triumphs, all of the wingless variety, with other drivers posting multiple Western World wins including Lealand McSpadden (3), Bud Kaeding (2), Mark Kinser (2), Jan Opperman (2) and Sammy Swindell (2).
The Western World has been run as a winged event on a dozen previous occasions, most recently in 1999.
Past Western World Championship Winners (Wing / Non-Wing)
2008 – Kevin Swindell (nw)
2007 – Jerry Coons, Jr. (nw)
2006 – Josh Wise (nw)
2005 – Dave Darland (nw)
2004 – Bud Kaeding (nw)
2003 – Tony Elliott (nw)
2002 – Bud Kaeding (nw)
2001 – Jeremy Sherman (nw)
2000 – Jay Drake (nw)
1999 – Donny Schatz (w)
1998 – Tyler Walker (w)
1997 – Mark Kinser (w)
1996 – Steve Kinser (w)
1995 – Lealand McSpadden (nw)
1994 – Ron Shuman (nw)
1993 – Lealand McSpadden (nw)
1992 – Steve Kinser (w)
1991 – Danny Lasoski (w)
1990 – Steve Kinser (w)
1989 – Sammy Swindell (w)
1988 – Mark Kinser (w)
1987 – Steve Kinser (w)
1986 – Bobby Davis, Jr. (w)
1985 – Steve Kinser (w)
1984 – Ron Shuman (nw)
1983 – Steve Kinser (nw)
1982 – Steve Kinser (nw)
1981 – Ron Shuman (nw)
1980 – Jeff Swindell (nw)
1979 – Tim Green (nw)
1978 – Lealand McSpadden (nw)
1977 – Ron Shuman (nw)
1976 – Bubby Jones (nw)
1975 – Ron Shuman (nw)
1974 – Rick Ferkel (nw)
1973 – Earl Wagner (nw)
1972 – Jan Opperman (nw)
1971 – Jan Opperman (nw)
1970 – Jerry McClung (nw)
1969 – Bob Huebner (nw)
1968 – Bob Cleberg (nw)
The American Sprint Car Series, in its 18th year of sanctioning Sprint Car racing events, brings the best of Sprint Car racing to nearly 100 different tracks throughout 25 states and Canada in 2009. Anchored by the Lucas Oil ASCS Sprint Car Dirt Series presented by K&N Filters, ASCS also consists of a dozen different Regions throughout the nation.
Additional information regarding the American Sprint Car Series is available at www.ascsracing.com.
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Change in dates is good news.
"Ralphie, Senor, muchas gracias por una mas cerveza" -
Scott Daloisio @ the PAS
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May 29, 2009 at
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The Western World at Tucson is now a 360 Wing (ASCS National) & 360 Non-Wing (ASCS Canyon) race only- not 410s
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Posted By: ljennings on May 29 2009 at 12:52:05 PM
The Western World at Tucson is now a 360 Wing (ASCS National) & 360 Non-Wing (ASCS Canyon) race only- not 410s
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I'll reserve a seat for Rob lol
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Posted By: watkinsgrady on May 29 2009 at 07:12:57 PM
I'll reserve a seat for Rob lol
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gee thanks Grady i can't wait to drive 6hrs to watch a bunch of 360 slugs putt around the track.lol
ROB
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May 29, 2009 at
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Posted By: turn4rob on May 29 2009 at 07:18:13 PM
gee thanks Grady i can't wait to drive 6hrs to watch a bunch of 360 slugs putt around the track.lol
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You know you will be there, what is the alternative watch a rerun of the Lakers losing another championship. I know you are not going to paint your house so watching paint dry is out of the question, besides I would think they will get a good line up of drivers.
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Posted By: watkinsgrady on May 29 2009 at 07:28:58 PM
You know you will be there, what is the alternative watch a rerun of the Lakers losing another championship. I know you are not going to paint your house so watching paint dry is out of the question, besides I would think they will get a good line up of drivers.
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your right i wont be watching paint dry but i will be watching my lawn die
ROB
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May 29, 2009 at
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A 360 Western world, with the non-wing guy's playing second fiddle. The corporation is on the move boy's, and it's coming your way.
Kenny
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May 29, 2009 at
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Posted By: watkinsgrady on May 29 2009 at 07:28:58 PM
You know you will be there, what is the alternative watch a rerun of the Lakers losing another championship. I know you are not going to paint your house so watching paint dry is out of the question, besides I would think they will get a good line up of drivers.
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The alternative is a $5000 to win midget show at the new improved ventura raceway!
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May 29, 2009 at
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Posted By: Oakhurst on May 29 2009 at 10:41:50 PM
The alternative is a $5000 to win midget show at the new improved ventura raceway!
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now your talkin Oaks you know i'll be there.
ROB
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May 29, 2009 at
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It did not take long to screw up the Western, putting wings on! I will be at Ventura also.
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From km76 on May 04, 2009:
Rescheduling is not an option as far as USA Raceway goes. We already have other divisions scheduled for that night and will not sacrifice them because of politics. However, let's entertain some thoughts.
Option A – Tulare races the week before Oval! Keith Kunz Motorsports gets to drive from Indiana to Tulare for a big purse. Then it's off to Perris for another big purse the next week. After Perris KKM gets to head to Phoenix for the Thursday Copper World Classic and then make the short journey to Tucson for another big purse.
Option B – Tucson races the week before Oval! KKM gets to drive from Indiana to Tucson for a big purse. Then it's off to Perris for another big purse the next week. After Perris KKM gets to head back to Phoenix for the Thursday Copper World Classic and then make the long journey back to Tulare.
Please call USAC National Teams and ask them what makes sense!
Dean please gets the facts straight prior to posting!
Sprint Bandit Purse $64,925 ($12,500/$600 Saturday - $3000/$300 Friday)
USAC 2008 Purse $59,100 ($12,500/$600 Saturday - $1500/$200 Friday)
Purses based on 50 cars
The $15,000 dollars USA Raceway saved by sanctioning with Sprint Bandits would afford us the opportunity to include the 360 cars in the Western World Championships and pay them a decent purse instead of the little money they ran for last year.
I will put Tommie Estes and Lonnie Wheatly against any other sanctioning groups as far as running races. Let the Chili Bowl be the example or ask the competitors. How many employees does a race track exclude when USAC comes to town? None
I agree with you regarding insurance and the cost of insurance. What I disagree with is the fact that a sanction charges you a large amount of money for a bunch of different items and hides their profit in their insurance. If they truly have a product that is a value then why have the hidden fees?
"Furthermore, you know why this event had to be held the following weekend AFTER Perris...These USAC National Championship race teams from the Midwest cannot be expected to stay on the West Coast for three weeks in order to run 2 events (a total of 5 races)." (Dean Mills Quote)
Is there not a large majority of USAC National Teams from the Midwest that are staying here for Turkey Night…….Why not schedule a race for the week before so they have something to do in the interim? 4 weeks for 3 events (a total of 6 races) Makes sense to me! Tucson, Perris, Tulare, Irwindale...wow that would be great.
Dean, I think you have to go to Tulare due to the fact that you work for USAC?
I think I should schedule the end of October so USAC can schedule against it. I would like nothing better to give my friends in Indiana and California a bunch of great races with good purses to attend this fall. Looking out for you guys!
Here is a link for the 2007 ASCS Non Wing Western World Championships
http://www.ascsracing.com/racenotes.asp?ID=57578&yr=2007
Here is a link for the 2008 ASCS Non Wing Western World Championships
http://www.ascsracing.com/results.asp?ID=57895&yr=2008
Joe, it was one of the best races that I have seen in a long time. Hardly a "weekly canyon division show" I think that Jerry Coons, Jesse Hocket and Corey Krusman, Brad Sweet and the remainder of the cast would be offended that you classified them as a weekly show. The 2007 (That's 2 years ago) ASCS Western World Championships had 55 cars that attended, 17 races and done by 11:00. Great show!!!!
The National race was cancelled by track promoters….first with the cancellation of Tucson by the past promoter and then the cancellation at Manzanita. It had nothing to do with the traveling of the ASCS National guys. Joe if you want your money I would love to personally give it to you!!!
I must go and do something constructive now…..you guys keep talking. All press is good press!
OOPS!
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I'll take non wings any day of the week. I'm not heading to Tucson for a winged/non winged show. I'll go to Ventura and watch the midgets race. At least there I know there will be some heavy hitters.
Sorry Tucson, but you really screwed up the Westerns for this fan.
June
RIP Chet and Mark. You might be gone but never will
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I grew up at Manzy. I can remember many winged Western Worlds. And the fact that people are bitching about 360's or 410's is just silly. 360 racing is here across the country and it's here to stay. Last week at Knoxville they had a 22 410's. And over 35 360's. How many 410's were at Perris last week? 22 is the number I think. VRA had 37 I think I counted. 36 360's at Hollywood Hills. The last time USAC/CRA had a race at Manzy I think they only brought 6 or 7 cars. Leaving the rest of the 19 filled by local drivers. The 360's are here to stay. And the popularity of them continue to grow. With the hate and discontent of USAC, the 410's on the West Cost continue to dwindle. I as a fan must have been spoiled watching ASCS here on the short track at Manzy. Some of the best racing I have seen. With USAC/CRA not traveling to Arizona anymore and the death of SCOA. Arizona has become a 360 state. They have over 30 winged cars every race at Tucson. And it's great racing to boot. So I will stay here and support the drivers and teams that work just as hard to put on the show as others do.
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I'm not sure this is correct, but I just heard Tulare only has 24 cars for tonights USAC-CRA race, and 8 or 9 of them are 360s. Whats that tell ya'?
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First ASCS say's they scheduled their bandit, 410, "western" for those previous dates because they had other commitments for all other dates, and they couldn't possibly change them. Kevin said it wouldn't be fair to the other series involved. We, "the fans" had asked them to change the dates so the USAC boy's could make a swing by USA after the Oval Nationals and the new Pacific Coast Nationals in Cali. Kevin said they couldn't possibly do that without reneging on prier commitments at USA, and it was completely out of the question to do so. One exact quote "Rescheduling is not an option as far as USA Raceway goes. We already have other divisions scheduled for that night and will not sacrifice them because of politics".
The closing of Manzy has given ASCS the opportunity to keep USAC out of the state of AZ, and the consequence of that is no 410 non wing racing at all in AZ, and this sets the stage for the demise of our 360 non wing division as well. The only winner is ASCS as far as the start of a monopoly of racing in AZ goes.
Some say that they like winged 360's on a short track. and bad mouth the Cali boy's for not coming over to AZ during the regular season. Seemingly forgetting about the gas prices at that time, and the great Western World and Copper on dirt we had at the end of last year. Fine, like what you want, but the Western has always been about the best, and you don't in general find them in a 360, and certainly not for the prestigious Western World Championships. The thing to remember about this race fans is that ASCS can't be trusted to do what they say, for the reasons they say. There are people this forum whom I've know for some time, and see them at the Western every year, and they have no intention of coming over for this show, even though they've been coming to the Western for many years. What does that say?
Kenny
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Posted By: BIGFISH on May 30 2009 at 07:56:28 PM
First ASCS say's they scheduled their bandit, 410, "western" for those previous dates because they had other commitments for all other dates, and they couldn't possibly change them. Kevin said it wouldn't be fair to the other series involved. We, "the fans" had asked them to change the dates so the USAC boy's could make a swing by USA after the Oval Nationals and the new Pacific Coast Nationals in Cali. Kevin said they couldn't possibly do that without reneging on prier commitments at USA, and it was completely out of the question to do so. One exact quote "Rescheduling is not an option as far as USA Raceway goes. We already have other divisions scheduled for that night and will not sacrifice them because of politics".
The closing of Manzy has given ASCS the opportunity to keep USAC out of the state of AZ, and the consequence of that is no 410 non wing racing at all in AZ, and this sets the stage for the demise of our 360 non wing division as well. The only winner is ASCS as far as the start of a monopoly of racing in AZ goes.
Some say that they like winged 360's on a short track. and bad mouth the Cali boy's for not coming over to AZ during the regular season. Seemingly forgetting about the gas prices at that time, and the great Western World and Copper on dirt we had at the end of last year. Fine, like what you want, but the Western has always been about the best, and you don't in general find them in a 360, and certainly not for the prestigious Western World Championships. The thing to remember about this race fans is that ASCS can't be trusted to do what they say, for the reasons they say. There are people this forum whom I've know for some time, and see them at the Western every year, and they have no intention of coming over for this show, even though they've been coming to the Western for many years. What does that say?
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That's telling them, Kenny! Good post.
"Ralphie, Senor, muchas gracias por una mas cerveza" -
Scott Daloisio @ the PAS
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I think the lack of open tracks has caused this pinch. We are down to 4 dirt tracks in Arizona that currently operate. Canyon is committed to ASCA a 360 group. And have been for several years. Show Low has a few Sprint Car dates. All 360. And have been fort several years since the demise of SCOA. Prescott has the Challenge Cup series. Which draws around 11 cars a race. I believe 360's. The above mentioned tracks can not afford a 410 purse. And none of the above can afford the weekly ASCS purse either. And USA for the past several years has been dedicated to ASCS. I think USA made the right decision. They have overwhelming support of 360's down there with the ASCS Southwest winged series. I think it's insane to think it's the management at USA's job to accomodate a 410 Western. With the closing of Manzanita, it put a great deal of stress on these tracks. USA went in the direction that they felt best suited them. Why slam them for you not getting your way? There will be a long list of well known drivers there. Rickey Hood, Johnny Herrera, Charles Davis, Jeremy Sherman, Rick Zeihl.... I mean the list goes on and on. Hardly second rate no talent drivers. The best the South West has to offer.
And another thing. Not once did I slam anyone from California for not coming over here and supporting that last USAC/CRA race at Manzy. I was simply using numbers.
And in the end isn't the overall goal to support racing in general? Leaving the politics out of it. Rather it's USAC, World Of Outlaws or ASCS. The idea is to keep sprint car racing alive. Keep it moving forward. This dividing and not supporting it will continue to create the down fall of our sport. People have the freedom to go where ever they please. That's the great thing about this country. But the constant verbal lashing of tracks and sanctioning bodies is only leading to the demise. Hardly good for our sport. This exact thing is 1 of many reasons Manzy was sold and being torn down. It starts here on a message board. With 1 person saying I will never go back and support this or that for this reason or another. Next thing you know you have 5, 10, 15 people saying it. And it leads to less people in the stands supporting the track. And over time. The stands are empty. And the promoter gets to the point were he can no longer afford to pay the purse. And they cave and sell or go under. And those very people b*tch and complain about the tracks shutting down. And I am not laying the blame on just 1 group of people either. God knows these track owners and promoters have a ton of blame laying on their shoulders as well. But, our sport is shrinking everyday. The more narrow minded we get, the less room there is for expansion. And over time... we are just phased out.
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No doubt the last number of years we have been spoiled to have the Oval and then the Western back to back, like everything nothing stays the same forever. I am of the opinion that I will give my full support to this sport whenever and wherever I can, just look around and its not a far strech of an imagination to think that the sport of sprint car racing might not be around in a few years. As far as great drivers only racing 410's, in the past couple of years I can name at least 20 of the top drivers in the country that have drove 360's
Jesse Hockett, Troy Rutherford
Kevin Swindell, Blake Miller
Dave Darland, Chad Boat
Cory Kruseman, Josh Ford
Danny Sheridan, Jerry Coons Jr
Jeremy Sherman, Ronnie Case
Casey Shuman, Johnny Herrera
Charles Davis Jr, Peter Murphy
Mike Spencer, Kevin Kierce
R J Johnson, Nathan High
There are more and I'm not trying to slight anyone these just come to mind, if there are people that won't go to Tucson so be it, but if you want to continue to watch this great sport support it wherever you can.
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Another reason for the switch just might be because hardly anyone in the South West owns a 410 anymore. Why schedule a 410 bandit Western when the guys that support you weekly don't have a 410? So then everyone can complain that the car count sucked. I think this is a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. 25 car 410 Western or 50+ car count 360 Western. I will take the car count any day. USA and ASCS made the right decision to head in the direction they have. Good Job guys. I look forward to being down there.
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