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I'll keep this rant short -- -- -- for the moment. As I have the official results from tonight and need to post em.

This DRAW BULLSHIT - is........BULLSHIT. It's disastrous. Yeah it's still good dirt track racing - plenty of cars - decent tracks (not so much tonight but at least we got it in!). But this has had a negative effect on the quality of the show.

It's rather easy for many to overlook I think. Because we do still have some of the best racin in the state. But I guarantee an analysis of the results would affirm what I am saying. We had 3 A Mains off the draw tonight. They all sucked. Not really sucked - I hope all of you know what I mean. There were still great moves, great runs, passing - just not NEAR as much as we see with the invert. The mods used the invert tonight - pretty good race. Stanley Reed made another charge through the field from like 16th to 3rd. Others in the back could not stay on par with Reed - they didnt make it up to the front. And to me thats what a CHAMPION is all about. Not saying this as a compliment to Reed (I'm indifferent). But last years super sprint point chase was a fine example. The point lead would get traded every week. Finally Danny Jennings got the lead - and he won - wanna know why? because when all the others could not make it from the back to the top 5 - he could. He EARNED - EARNED - EARNED that championship.

The track wasnt that great tonight - but i wont really complain. They got it too wet - but they been gettin it great ever since midway last year - an off night is understandable. But the combination of a DRAW format - and a heavy track - Funkin sucks! It makes way too much "luck of the draw" for your heats. Look at heat 1 versus heat 2 of the champ sprints - that was a complete farce. Heat was STACKED. Heat 2 had probably all 6 of the bottom 6 cars in the field. And worse than that - all the better cars started up front - with the exception of Joe Jr. probably. And it was not a track condusive to passing - or a charge from deep in the field. The heats were just like feature. Not much passing - fast guys up front runnin away with it. The passing WAS the exception - whereas with the INVERT - the passing is the NORM.

Ok to my point. I really hope Lanny does not stay with this all year. I'm not a fan of the draw format - not for the SFS weekly show. I have said all along I understand why ASCS does it - but SFS fan get the best quality with the invert. If he feels we get to good a deal - charge 12$. After seeing Meeker's "show" last week and payin' 10 - I would fully support paying 12 for SFS. Its among the highest quality shows in the whole region. But anyways lol - whereas I am completely anti the draw system for SFS and with enough time and effort could literally - and I do mean literally - PROVE why the invert is better.........I do applaud Lanny for trying something new. I dont like it - but I like Lanny being open to trying new things. The irony of all of this though.....is that it's not the lineup format he needs to change - it's his point system. There is absolutely no difference between starting pole and finishing 10th - and starting dead last and making a good run from 20th to 10th. That aint right. If he wants to try a new flavor with a hint of ASCS - it needs to be their POINT SYSTEM - not their lineup format.

I want to reiterate I am not talkin bad on Lanny. Great he tried sumthin - he just tried the wrong thing. Every single feature we have seen with the draw has been a bust (compared to features w/same track conditions but with an invert). The draw system was 0-for goin' into tonight. All 4-5 times it was tried this year I thought wasnt near as good as invert. I didnt see anything tonight that warranted me changing how I view it. Bunch of wins from the pole/up front. It's still "0 for". Great job in trying - it's just completely backwards. The point system was broke - not the lineup format. But instead he left the point system alone and screwed with the lineup format. I know he cant mess with the point system this year - thats cool. Maybe mess with it next year. But I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope he doesn't leave this draw bullshit in place for the rest of the year. It blows. Thats the best way to put it - it just BLOWS.

my 2 cents lol.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

We all know that there are those drivers that break the bank on thier equipement compared to those that are making it by. Shoot we got one of those that post on this board that is making it by in regards to motors. I like the draw b/c it gives everyone a semi equal chance of being up front and winning a feature. The draw gives you a brand new ball game each time you come to race.

Racing is luck pure and simple. You might have the best equipment that money can buy but can you promise me those lifters or that cam will last a 20 lap feature every nigh

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

huh?

I have to dissent - that makes no sense at all. Look at the invert by mid season - most of the money is in the back lol.

Who could argue - that a mod race is better when Stanley Reed starts in the back - not in the first 2 rows? This same idea applies with many in each class.

Actually the invert is VERY FAIR. the better you do - the further back you'll start weekly - and if you can't repeat those runs - people will pass you in points and will then get the same opportunities. Those who are last row in the invert system - and yet can still make their way to the front - end up champions. Reed, Decker, Burns, Danny Jennings......in the last 2 years - all 4 of those - and others showed what it took to be champs.

And you're off talkin about luck. the hell with luck. Yeah there is luck involved no matter how you slice it. But it's to varying degrees. I firmly believe that the draw is LUCK. I agree with that. But the invert - well - it's obvious that isn't near as much about luck as the draw is. Thats easy to see.

And also - the invert promotes your idea better than the draw. The invert is what gives everyone equal chance. Remember they dont invert based on money - they invert based on the driver's previous performance(s)! It's a better equal chance when they are lined up that way. Those guys who dont have as much skill - and sometimes money - start up front and get their shot to keep the heavy hitters at bay. And if they do - kick ass for them - but they pay the piper too - because the next week - they have to start further back! It's a perfect system for a weekly show with a good weekly turnout.

No sarcasm or disrespect intended at all. Just a respectful dissent in opinion. I could go on about this all day - but I think the results have spoken for themselves in every A feature that has used the draw to this point. I'm not saying there hasnt still been great racing - just like I said weeks ago - we knew there still would be some great racing - there is just less of it. Pure and simple FACT - there is just less of it.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

Ok let me ask this are you talking as a fan standpoint or a driver standpoint b/c that could be two different thoughts. Personally I like the draw b/c you have to be on your A game no matter what. I have no idea where I am starting untill I pull the pill. Yes I did change my orginal post b/c I had to refrase what I meant.

Not always is the money at the back. You know there are those drivers out there that know how to sandbag a little to get a good starting positions each and every week.

But, in a sense who gives a freak just show up and race and let the cards lay where they may. Stop the bitching and go racing.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

yeah that does switch the perspective. Thats what I consider the curveball man. I could see why the top 5 in pts.are tired of startin in the back........

its also why i think it was very smart on Lanny's part to not go completely to the draw. if all the drivers are for it - then even as a fan I tend to acquiesce. But I honestly dont know what the majority think. the few I have talked to don't really care for it - but I cant consider that representative of the whole. I wander what the majorites take on it is. But will prob never know.

I do know as a fan - it's lesser quality with the draw than the invert.

I think the sandbagging goes on more towards the beg. of the year. But 1 way to fix that is to invert on point average. Which I think they do - to avoid the occasional Passmore/Peters/Neighbors visit and them starting front row. I noticed last year even with Passmore like 18th or so in points - he still started in back......but that doesn't stop the sandbagging completely.

Very good points there Erich. Good food for thought

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

I dont know you OKCFAN12 but hopefully someday we meet. I agree 10,000% with you. Im leading the points and i think it fair for me to start in the back and it gives a hell of alot better show for the fans. I would rather start in the back of 15 or 20 cars and run 2nd or 3rd than win off the pole. Thats all i gotta say. Have a great night everyone.

In my opinion,Draw should only be used for special events only or at the beginning of the season.

I've been around SFS since the late 60's and the system that has been in place has brought great racing action for all the fans for all these years.

What is the point in changing the system that is in place that all the great drivers in the past have had to play by ??

If the draw is to remain ,it should be done so all the drivers see that it is done after the drivers meeting or where every body can see so that no "Draw Till Your Happy With Your Number" Happen$.

I am sorry to everyone for what I posted ealier. I had a few adult sodas and I could not get my mind to work the way I wanted it too.

After thinking about it the point system is good. But I still think the draw system has its place in some situations.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

I have been around dirt track racing for many years and have been involved from a crew man to a driver (was not a very good driver). I can tell you this... Its always a better feeling coming from the back and it truly looks better to the fans!!!!

Dustin Allen is 100 % correct....

come from the back and prove your worth

JMO

Jayson Ellis

As a fan and a past flag man for over 20 sum years, yes I do agree on a weekly show with 15 to 20 lap features I do not like the idea of the draw!!! Even in the ASCS, WoO, NCRA or anything on dirt, because usually not always the winner will come off the first 3 rows.

Just remember opinions are like assholes everybody's got one and thats mine!!!!

 Randy       

       DIRT TRACKIN
"When it's wet slide it in"

Why always change the rules around? If its not on a class of cars its on somrthing else! Just leave shit alone. Just like in every class they are not what they were when they first started out.

JIMMY MINTER 'AKA'dirtrack234                  
Yesterday 
is history, 
tomorrow is a mystery, and today is a gift. That is 
why they call it the present.

We were talking about this friday night before our heat race, we had to draw in and it helped us but not that much we start usually from outside 2nd row to outside 3rd row depending on Who shows up and in the feature we ususally start in the first 3 rows depending on how the races went that night. The draw only helped us in the heat we started on the first row got messed up finished 3rd in the heat, The a it screwed us we started in the 5th row outside we moved up and finished 7th. We would love to have the money some other drivers do it but we also dont want to go into debt to do it. We race for the fun of it we dont win every week, i bet alot of people dont like us, but we are there to have fun, draw, invert whatever we just want to race. Rather its chasing down the money guys because of the draw or trying to hold off the money guys,

David Foley

"Just let me make it to the Dirt Track.. Truck then u 
can break down!!!"