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March 14, 2009 at
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04:42:27 AM by raj
As long as we're all just blabbing, and just for the sake of stirring the pot... what about P.I.R.?
As you may know, the track is owned by someone with rather deep pockets who can afford to put pretty much whatever they want on their site, so long as the city or county goes along. And in this case, the city happens to be Avondale (if, in fact the track is within the city limits), a town noted for its considerable willingness to do business with those who want to do business... and produce sales and property tax revenues.
P.I.R. has parking, plumbing, electricity and infrastructure galore. It also has a lot of free time on its hands during which additional revenue could be produced to offset non-hourly overhead costs, much as is the case on the land surrounding Las Vegas Motor Speedway, if you're catching my drift.
Most of us have been to both P.I.R. and L.V.M.S enough times to know that it wouldn't cost all that much (at least not to these people) to doze out a half-mile oval to the immediate south or west of the track, put in the fencing, lights, stands and such. If they did it directly west of the existing structures, the existing bathroom and food service facilities could be used without building anything new in that respect.
Just a thought (or two).
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Okay. Just for drill, I sent off an email to P.I.R. suggesting the idea as described above.
If you'd like to join in, the only email address I could find is [email protected].
That said, you can also write them at 125 South Avondale Boulevard, Suite 200, Avondale, AZ 85323... and let them know you'll support them if they decide to tackle the city or county approvals process.
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March 14, 2009 at
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Just for kicks, how much are you going to invest?
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March 30, 2009 at
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A series of emails to and from ISC, owner of PIR, about "replacing Manzy" that confirm my lack of faith in corporate America: - - - - - - "Manzanita Speedway is being shuttered April 11th, as you may already know. (It was purchased by a large, out-of-state crane operator.) This 5,000-seat, half-mile clay oval has been operation since 1951 running weekly shows from more or less February through November. The owners had been confidant enough of continuing functionality to invest quite a bit to refurbish the public areas a year ago. "The reaction among fans has been considerable. Many are looking to do whatever they can to support a replacement for 'Manzy.' I tossed out the idea described below on the major dirt track fan forum a bit ago: "As long as we're all just blabbing, and just for the sake of stirring the pot... what about P.I.R.? "As you may know, the track is owned by someone with rather deep pockets who can afford to put pretty much whatever they want on their site, so long as the city or county goes along. And in this case, the city happens to be Avondale (if, in fact the track is within the city limits), a town noted for its considerable willingness to do business with those who want to do business... and produce sales and property tax revenues. "P.I.R. has parking, plumbing, electricity and infrastructure galore. It also has a lot of free time on its hands during which additional revenue could be produced to offset non-hourly overhead costs, much as is the case on the land surrounding Las Vegas Motor Speedway, if you're catching my drift. "Most of us have been to both P.I.R. and L.V.M.S enough times to know that it wouldn't cost all that much (at last not to these people) to doze out a half-mile oval to the immediate south or west of the track, put in the fencing, lights, stands and such. If they did it directly west of the existing structures, the existing bathroom and food service facilities could be used without building anything new in that respect. "I worked with the Arciero family on the Palm Springs Int'l Speedway project in the late 1980s, as well as with the Agua Caliente Native Americans on the second PSIR project in the mid-'90s. Neither came to fruition, but we learned a lot in the process about what to do and what not to do vis building a multi-purpose, (then-) Winston Cup cum IRL / CART / NHRA / USAC facility in a desert location. "If you're intrigued with the notion decribed above because it appears to 'pencil,' and my experience can be of use to you, please feel free to contact me at ... " - - - - - - This a.m., I received a .pdf letter from "Benjamin Odom, Assistant General Counsel, International Speedway Corporation," stating: "While your interest in PIR and its business is greatly appreciated, it is PIR's longtanding policy not to accept unsolicited proposals or submissions... Therefore, PIR is not interested in your unsolicited track proposal and respectfully declines this solicitation. Please be advised that our review of your submission has been limited to the extent necessary to determine that it was indeed an unsolicited track proposal, and PIR accepts no obligations with respect to the use or disclosure of any of the general information contained in your email and has deleted your email in its entirety..." - - - - - - So I answered: "ROTFLMAO. You guys are hysterical. I email a simple suggestion about exploring the possibility of making the most of an opportunity that's come up in Phoenix, and I get a form letter from some junior attorney in Florida that 1) completely misunderstands and misinterprets the purpose of my email to you, and 2) bears almost no relationship whatsoever to what I suggested you guys look into... a modification of the facility that precisely equates to several others ISC has already built elsewhere. "Believe me, after having been involved in the attempted development of two proposed NASCAR facilities in the past, and having done business with CMS in Fontana, I had NO interest whatsoever in a business relationship with ISC. NASCAR: too big now -- and caving in under the weight of too many layers of bureaucracy -- to even understand a simple suggestion. Good night, and good luck."
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March 30, 2009 at
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Oh man, that's hilarious! .Now is there any more questions about why cooperate America is out of control?
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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March 30, 2009 at
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Posted By: raj on March 30 2009 at 02:12:01 PM
A series of emails to and from ISC, owner of PIR, about "replacing Manzy" that confirm my lack of faith in corporate America: - - - - - - "Manzanita Speedway is being shuttered April 11th, as you may already know. (It was purchased by a large, out-of-state crane operator.) This 5,000-seat, half-mile clay oval has been operation since 1951 running weekly shows from more or less February through November. The owners had been confidant enough of continuing functionality to invest quite a bit to refurbish the public areas a year ago. "The reaction among fans has been considerable. Many are looking to do whatever they can to support a replacement for 'Manzy.' I tossed out the idea described below on the major dirt track fan forum a bit ago: "As long as we're all just blabbing, and just for the sake of stirring the pot... what about P.I.R.? "As you may know, the track is owned by someone with rather deep pockets who can afford to put pretty much whatever they want on their site, so long as the city or county goes along. And in this case, the city happens to be Avondale (if, in fact the track is within the city limits), a town noted for its considerable willingness to do business with those who want to do business... and produce sales and property tax revenues. "P.I.R. has parking, plumbing, electricity and infrastructure galore. It also has a lot of free time on its hands during which additional revenue could be produced to offset non-hourly overhead costs, much as is the case on the land surrounding Las Vegas Motor Speedway, if you're catching my drift. "Most of us have been to both P.I.R. and L.V.M.S enough times to know that it wouldn't cost all that much (at last not to these people) to doze out a half-mile oval to the immediate south or west of the track, put in the fencing, lights, stands and such. If they did it directly west of the existing structures, the existing bathroom and food service facilities could be used without building anything new in that respect. "I worked with the Arciero family on the Palm Springs Int'l Speedway project in the late 1980s, as well as with the Agua Caliente Native Americans on the second PSIR project in the mid-'90s. Neither came to fruition, but we learned a lot in the process about what to do and what not to do vis building a multi-purpose, (then-) Winston Cup cum IRL / CART / NHRA / USAC facility in a desert location. "If you're intrigued with the notion decribed above because it appears to 'pencil,' and my experience can be of use to you, please feel free to contact me at ... " - - - - - - This a.m., I received a .pdf letter from "Benjamin Odom, Assistant General Counsel, International Speedway Corporation," stating: "While your interest in PIR and its business is greatly appreciated, it is PIR's longtanding policy not to accept unsolicited proposals or submissions... Therefore, PIR is not interested in your unsolicited track proposal and respectfully declines this solicitation. Please be advised that our review of your submission has been limited to the extent necessary to determine that it was indeed an unsolicited track proposal, and PIR accepts no obligations with respect to the use or disclosure of any of the general information contained in your email and has deleted your email in its entirety..." - - - - - - So I answered: "ROTFLMAO. You guys are hysterical. I email a simple suggestion about exploring the possibility of making the most of an opportunity that's come up in Phoenix, and I get a form letter from some junior attorney in Florida that 1) completely misunderstands and misinterprets the purpose of my email to you, and 2) bears almost no relationship whatsoever to what I suggested you guys look into... a modification of the facility that precisely equates to several others ISC has already built elsewhere. "Believe me, after having been involved in the attempted development of two proposed NASCAR facilities in the past, and having done business with CMS in Fontana, I had NO interest whatsoever in a business relationship with ISC. NASCAR: too big now -- and caving in under the weight of too many layers of bureaucracy -- to even understand a simple suggestion. Good night, and good luck." |
Heh heh, yeah buddy. Welcome to NASCAR world. It's a darn shame, I know Jim France personally, used to race Legends cars with him and he was a customer of mine at BMW Motorcycles of Daytona. He is the only one of the France family that I have any use for and he was always really nice to me, you'd never dream he was a friggen billionare, but I'm afraid to say that I disagree with just about everything he comes up with as far as the direction he is taking the sport. His primary passion has always been motorcycle racing and I don't even need to tell you the godawful mess he's made of the Daytona 200 and the state that flat track and roadracing is in the US today. Plus, he was the driving force behind the Daytona Prototype class in endurance racing, another example of taking a once wonderful series and........... well, you get the picture. I love the guy to death but, Jim!! Puleeeeze!!! No more!!!!
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March 30, 2009 at
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Posted By: Tedrichard on March 30 2009 at 04:11:24 PM
Heh heh, yeah buddy. Welcome to NASCAR world. It's a darn shame, I know Jim France personally, used to race Legends cars with him and he was a customer of mine at BMW Motorcycles of Daytona. He is the only one of the France family that I have any use for and he was always really nice to me, you'd never dream he was a friggen billionare, but I'm afraid to say that I disagree with just about everything he comes up with as far as the direction he is taking the sport. His primary passion has always been motorcycle racing and I don't even need to tell you the godawful mess he's made of the Daytona 200 and the state that flat track and roadracing is in the US today. Plus, he was the driving force behind the Daytona Prototype class in endurance racing, another example of taking a once wonderful series and........... well, you get the picture. I love the guy to death but, Jim!! Puleeeeze!!! No more!!!!
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Oh yeah,about the part that says ISC has already built several other short tracks on their properties. Those aren't ICS tracks. They're Speedway Motorsports, aka Humpy Wheeler, Bruton Smith world. We'd be a whole lot better off at PIR if they'd have ended up with the place instead of ISC. Isn't it sweet that since ISC got their hands on the place they've killed off nearly all the races that really made PIR great! No more Copper Classic, no more IRL race..........
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March 30, 2009 at
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Posted By: BIGFISH on March 30 2009 at 04:09:22 PM
Oh man, that's hilarious! .Now is there any more questions about why cooperate America is out of control?
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Kenny
Please put the fish back up.
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March 30, 2009 at
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Posted By: watkinsgrady on March 30 2009 at 07:24:46 PM
Kenny
Please put the fish back up.
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What Grady?.. That's just to remind me I haven't had a cigarette in about oh, 8 months or so, and that picture of me smoking is just to remind me how bad I looked with a cig in my mouth.
Do you think contact lenses would be a improvement Grady?
Kenny
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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March 30, 2009 at
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That's just to remind me I haven't had a cigarette in about oh, 8 months or so, and that picture of me smoking is just to remind me how bad I looked with a cig in my mouth.
Congratulations on your first 8 months. My father smoked from the age of 16 through to 49 when he quit cold turkey. He is 94 years old now.
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March 31, 2009 at
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"Oh yeah,about the part that says ISC has already built several other short tracks on their properties. Those aren't ICS tracks. They're Speedway Motorsports, aka Humpy Wheeler, Bruton Smith world."
Yeah, my bad on that. I knew about Humpy's and Bruton's short tracks but thot ISC had gotten smart enuf to build one or two of their own. Evidently not. Oh, wellllllll.
Good luck with your efforts on "saving Manzy," tho I have to expect the path of home development (of all things) in that area will do the place in even if the crane guys back off.
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March 31, 2009 at
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Posted By: BIGFISH on March 30 2009 at 08:52:55 PM
What Grady?.. That's just to remind me I haven't had a cigarette in about oh, 8 months or so, and that picture of me smoking is just to remind me how bad I looked with a cig in my mouth.
Do you think contact lenses would be a improvement Grady?
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If it will keep you away from smoking leave it up, not sure about contacts lol.
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Well since we're just blabbing , then I have a question. Who the hell claims to own the dirt track at the LVMS? This is the most misused facility I have ever seen. The Director of race operations and who ever is above him are the biggest, and I am being nice here, idiots that ever claimed to run a race track. Who is the owner here, Bruton or Humpy? Someone needs to find a way to shoot them an email asking then if they are even aware othat there is a dirt track there and why isn't it run like it should . With CRA getting fewer and fewer races at the PAS and with Manzy closing, wouldn't it be a good thing to secure some races at a track that is as close as Phoenix??? I have posted this before and I hate to keep beating a dead horse but if enough people wrote the bone heads at the LVMS ( Chris Blair) maybe some day they'll pull their permantly implanted heads out of their asses
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