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Sorry...I think you need to actually check the flow numbers sir....I have and the Ford is actually DOWN in flow numbers to the Chevy with the Brodix spec heads..Are you telling me that the Chevys who can run larger valves and larger port volumes will still get beat by the ford that has the smaller specs???? Sorry I cannot agree with that .. Sir I have been racin for along time and still have many years left....Maybe it is you who should quit sir ....At least I know how to be respectful to others regardless of their opinion....

Sir, you have proclaimed you have spent a lot of time and money on your Ford program. Did you speak to Naylor, Swindell, Curto, Dias or anyone else before you forged ahead? Did anyone tell you they were going to change their rules to accommodate you? I understand you have "been racing a long time", (eventhough I have never heard of you) but somewhere along the way you never realized that a little due diligence w/ the rule book is a good thing.

IhateBush ...yes sir I did speak with the promoters at that time....4 years ago and was given a green light....I dont understand what your problem is sir....This is the first year I will be in the 360 class.....Im sure I'm not going to be setting the world on fire.....Could you please explain what rules Im supposedly changing?...Sad thing is if I go to any state but California I would have no problem racing anywhere....It's people with your attitude that wont let the sport grow.....Part of the heart of racing that some people such as Nascar are forgetting is the brand loyalty ...Face it not everybody is a Chevy Fan and if I can get more people to the track to see the Ford VS Chevy with a ford motor built to the rules then I feel that I am doing something for the sport...After all we as well as the promoters want the the attendance numbers up dont we??....I guess my question would be why do you have such a problem with it if the motor is built to the ASCS rule book????...The actual ford intake gasket actually has a smaller area than the ASCS intake gasket for the Chevy.......So please explain my overwhelming advantage again???

Don't wish to interrupt your argument,and as I stated I ran a Ford with SCRA and like fords.My question to FeffinMotorsports is...Why did you get an ASCS rule book..just because the ASCS gasket is required by the groups you wish to run with .doesn't mean the overall engine rules they used are ASCS based..you couldn't have gotten the 'go ahead ' from Ventura ,cause I inquired when they went from IMCA to VRA and the rules were the same as now...The required ASCS gasket fits chevy only......I'd sell your motor to a late model or modified guy and just conform ...trust me at 50 you need to get in the car and go for it..changing the rules for one guy or allowing one guy to cheat is something I dought a promoter it willing to do...with VRA and Bandits they tech the car every race ,do you wish to stir up crap every race you go to .The first race ASCS did at manzi they allowed cars to run with titainium bolts [against the rules] the guy that finished second bitched for 20 min.cause he had a legal car... and was beat by an illegal car that was 80 lbs lighter .easiest thing is to set rules and don't waiver.....you could run your ASCS legal Ford at Manzi

I set up the Ford to ASCS rules as that was what I was told to do by said promoters.....You are correct about Ventura as as I said in a previous post that when the promoter from Ventura found out it was a Ford HE changed the rules...It really bothers methat Iam being accused a cheater just because I dont want to run a Chevy.I did follow rules and did what I was told.The rules currently posted to race with the bandits state cast iron engine block...not the make ....I am really sorry for stating anything on this post.......I did not mean to ruffle any feathers....I did not know their was such a biased group of racers otherwise I wouldnt have even tried.... I plan on moving out of this tree huggin wino state in the near future so maybe then I can hit the track.......Funny....I thought we needed the car count up.....I will take your advice and take my money elsewhere....I am done with this thread....Thanks

Ferrinmotorsports,sorry you feel attacked...if you complete your car before you leave..your car is legal at Victorville auto raceway...run what you brung..you'll need current safety equip.and your gold..but keep in mind ..the car lined up with you may be a 410 or 434 ,ford ,chevy ,mopar you name it...is that what you had in mind...there is no cheating at Victorville..and we welcome the extra competition..no weight min.rules/no tech.after race......Sprint cars are king at Victorville,we run our main first you can be headed home by 7:30 Just a thought!

Ferrin, hate to see you leave Ca., we need the tax payers more than ever. 88's advice about Victorville is good but you may wish to try Perris and run against the 410's. The car counts are down so you should get an automatic pass to the A feature. The track, racers and atmosphere is awesome and you will grow in a hurry down there. No gaskets-no stack restrictors-no rock hard right rear-no drama.

Wow, and to think I was only worried about insurance and payout.

I based my project on a cast iron block too. Guess my Pontiac deal is tits up. Not the end of the world for me though. Much easier for me to change pistons, heads etc, injector and rebalance. Hey Ferrin, I might be able to help you find a loaner roller to use if you wish to run pavement roadsters. The purse isn't what it used to be, (it's down to 13k, but what ya gonna do?) but with the weight and wing breaks you might not be as far behind as you will be at Perris against the big motors at equal #'s. Heck, if Dalton's 360 thing is any indication you could be a player sooner than later.

Lemme know if your interested. I agree with ihatebush and 88 though. Perris might be a good alternative, all thing considered. Best wishes.

Geez, I had fun.

Ferrin,

I sure hope you reconsider your decision to move. I have been waiting for you to start running for a year or two now, ever since you posted back then saying you were putting together a Ford. It’s to bad that the promoters, and a couple of posters on here, have discouraged you from running in Calif.

First let me clarify,I would not recommend Perris to a rookie running his first year in a Sprinter.Perris is a great track .but its half mi.,you'll need to do 100/110 on the straight away to compete.For a 360 that's a 580/595 gear and that motor will be rung out in an attempt to stay up ..the inevitable crashes[learning curve will be expensive]....join USAC-$350-required head & neck restraint $850-pill pick fee $25-radio required [buy or rent]-transponder required [buy or rent]..and spec tires Now let me lobby for my home track Victorville,large 1/4 mi.track[640-658 gear] open tire rule,lower speeds ,crashes are easier on the wallet,freindly..if you want to start your car early in the day we accomidate...only $100 to start main and $1000 to win [as per promoter this year/with a 20 car count]...last year I only recall a couple of 'B' mains so good chance to run main at every race,no restrictions on cock pit adj. components,Open tire rules [goodyear-american racer-hoosier-what ever] andI don't recall one sprint car race canceled because of weather....run for rookie of the class w/only 10 races..something for your resume'....and again no motor rules -run what you brung..having said all that a VRA legal car has won 2 times in this open comp. arena . and lets not forget the now famous 'Let's go Rac'in' you never know when Faas-Gardner will pull another trick out of their 'Hat'

Don, there are no rules..the closest it gets is he list on the schedule 410/360......no motor was ever pumped and as long as you car appears to be a sprint car ..it runs..as you stated there are no rules posted.......they have never teched a sprint car..so....run what you brung..and it's fun this way!

What I'd do is E-mail mike gibson at Victorville Auto Raceway and tell him specificly what you want to run,get an E-mail back getting thumbs up or thumbs down...I don't work for the track ,i just want a good car count ...final word would come from those who run it.....but if you ask tommarow and show up 4/5 years later..who knows

I agree... Call them anything you want, but don't call ASCS.

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.