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I know this has been debated several times in the past but...I was just wondering!!! There is some speculation on this web sight that Donny Schatz was using traction control the last couple of nights in Florida and so my question is? Why in the h-ll wasn't any other team/driver using traction control besides Schatz? And also why would TS-Motorsports only give the "secrete weapon" to Schatz and not team member Kraig Kinser? Why wasn't Steve Kinser or any other team/driver running traction control?? Just wondering!

Nobody is using Traction Control, people are just hating on Schatz cause he's winning and making it look easy at times.

If someone was using traction control, it would be easy to tell, as there would not be any wheel slip,the engine rpm fluctuation would be noticable and if caught using they would be banned from that sactioning body for life, not to metion they would always be a cheat in the public eye. Remember Pete Rose?

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people who know more than you or me have flat told me TC has been in use more than you think by more teams than you think. now just what the teams may or not be doing at the moment none of us know. i have heard that with the new age TC you can set it up to slip if you really nail the throttle hard but if you are smooth on the throttle it will react different. i have to admit that on the first night donny won, it looked more like car set up than anything.

I know at least 3 guys who have TOLD ME they have run TC in the past on a touring series. Of course they'd never admit to still using it, but come on. Anyone who thinks TC is NOT used is a fool.

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I have been a huge fan of this sport for a long time and hear all these cheating rumors. But I need some help. A sprint car is a very basic racecar for the most part. If a guy was running traction control or rev limiters where would he hide it that no one would know. The competition, officals and fans can all easily view your car at any point in the night. So wouldn't there be an extra wire or something that would raise a red flag. I guess I need some help with this. It sounds to me like the late 80's when Kinser was killin' everybody, he had to be cheating right. I think Schatz has got the best equiptment and he is in his prime with a ton of confidence. Everybody else is having to guess and try new things to keep up and alot of times that puts you farther behind. I might be wrong, so explain to me how you can hide something in plain sight of hundreds of people.

traction control is built into the ignition box it is all electronic and officials don't tear apart ignition boxes especially when they don't want to find something

Every time someone is doing well there are allegations of cheating; whether it be traction control, doctored fuel, too big of an engine...whatever.

It happens at every local track too. Just a case of sour grapes for whoever isn't your favorite driver.

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I think the discussion of traction control will always strike fear and discussion in the forums because it's the grassy knoll, it's the Loch Ness monster, it's the unicorn, it's the mythical beast that we feel is there but we don't have any proof. We can't feel it or touch it, can't see it... but we have faith that it's there.

It's conspiracy... it's secret... it's everything humans love to debate. We label what we don't understand and what we can't do. He's faster than my favorite driver? Must be cheating. Traction control. He wins a lot? He can't be talented, motivated and hit on something that works. Cheater. Undetectable nitro and rocket fuel. Jetpacks. Laser-powered gophers. SOMETHING is making him faster.

I recall watching a CART race a few years ago when the topic of policing traction control came up. The CART officials went to the slowest corner on the track and listened. It was pretty unmistakable with the ignition cutting in and out like "pop pop pop pop pop" noises... kinda easy to tell who had ignition-based traction control. When wheel slip was detected the timing was retarded to lower power.

That was years ago... undoubtedly TC afficionados have a throttle related system that wouldn't be so audible to detect. Seems like you'd be able to see extra parts on the throttle linkage... so let the conspiracy theories crank up and anew!

I think alot people need to get a life before you accuse make sure your facts are fact not speculation

if someone is chaeting than why haven't anyone else out there protested and don' give they won't tech him he is a poster boy bs

if someone accused the steve or sammy or lasoski I bet they wouldn't tech them either give me a break

maybe just maybe he is a really good driver with really good equipment and a really good team with alot of funds backing them

notice they have basicly the same team members for the last couple of years same equipment also alot easier to make things better when you are not reinventing the wheel every other week

I well quit rambling now we well see how tonight goes then go on to the next night and so on and so forth go donny go

Why not allow traction control? I noticed rev limiters on several cars at the Western.

Grady

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I have a rev limiter on my LT1 as standard equiptment.

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davis technologies my friend. check it out. no complicated sensors. no wires. the remote control devise goes in the drivers pocket. the only way to visually tell if TC is in the system is to look for a small battery where it should not be, but that means opening spark boxes and even tachs. the technoligy is getting better and better. any way that is devised to keep the drive wheels from breaking traction under acceleration to gain a performance advantage is traction control, no matter what you want to say. a rev limiter that only limits max revs would sure enough stop the engine from reving, but wheel spin beyond what is accepable would have resulted already and would continue to result if the driver kept his foot in it. the TC limits revs at any rpm and continues to do so with the pedal down. any of you have a toyota pickup with traction controll? you know how good it works.

all you people that are looking for wires and sensors and stuff on the trottle are just wasting time. before you comment further. inform yourselves. it is a very easy addition. now who or who may not be useing is up to debate, but you need to know it is a sure bet all the top teams know about it and have probly tried it at some point even if just in private testing. no one who may be useing it wants to bust someone else who may be also. why bring it out totally in the open and ruin your $9000 plus investment and whatever advantage it gives you. if you have TC and are still getting beat by some one else with it but still finishing up front, why ruin things by busting open the whole deal? if you rat someone out they will just rat you and then everyone will start ratting every one out and no one wants that. lol.

racin buddy: finally someone else has a clue of what is out there! I'm hearing some teams are even hiding it underneath the injection inside the valley of the motor, they might inspect boxes and tachs but going beyond that ain't happening. The bad thing is all this talk about tc again is going to make other teams think twice about getting it and all it's going to do is fatten Shannon Davis' wallet.

Would be nice if a company can come out with a device that interferes with the signal shutting the system down, which a track/series can buy for cheap and have in place at all races.

you mean shut down the engine in cool temps when the chip freezes up?

all this happy horseshit that TC is illegal does not mean one fart in the wind until someone has the balls to DQ EVEN 1 USER.

many have said they tried it and i do recall the "we had too much horsepower and had to detune the engine" interviews of years past...then along come the chip that does not broadcast by way of chatter off the turns.

my 8 year old street cars came with TC that on engaged by default and i am hear to say that i have been cheating for 8 years, to and from the track.

the only reason a smoke screen of illegality has been launched about this available and reliable technology is what 55 said above. the "mystique" of the sanction fee.

now that WoO members are "not allowed" to run non WoO sanction fee tracks on down time, the gag order will be taken oine step further.

get rid of the faux rule and cut the horseshit by letting the low buck guy put a "TC by BRR" / "FUNNY FUEL BY put your name here" and let the real race begin!

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I have been saying this for years:

LEGALIZE IT!!! If everybody has access to it, then the playing field is level. I have watched the progress of Davis Technologies products and let me tell you - a guy could hide a TC device up the crack of his rear end and nobody will ever find it. There are systems that can be activated from a cell phone - so if you see any crew chiefs "making a call" during the A-main, they probably aren't ordering a pizza. There is no way to police it without a strip search in the push off lane. One official once told me - I'm not even going to look for it because you can't find it!

Davis Technologies has said if were legal, the prices would come way down to where the average joe could afford to buy one. If you think it is not being used be various teams, you are a fool. Its out there.

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Mmmmm, lets see..What would happen if you backed a non wing car into a corner on a big 1/2 mile with traction control when you depend on the gas peddle and the wheel spin to steer the car?...A smaller track?

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