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Brill allows Quick Change rearends....any header....any dual plane intake....aluminum water pumps....Roller rocker arms.....No Quadrajet carbs

State Fair Speedway allows Ford 9 inch rearends.......roller rocker arms......flat top CAST pistons only

I am glad you pointed out the Quick change I did not see that. When I talked to Mark back in December he told me if you are NCRA legal you are legal at BMS. I have not talked to him since then so I don't know if that has changed. The way he explained it to me is you can run the IMCA intake, Quadrajet, EQ head and any flat top piston as long as you run a sportmod chassis and the rest of your motor is sportmod legal. Mark did not want to cut out the E-mod cars and go just to the sportmods. He is trying to make it fair for every one. Mike you know they are pretty competitive with each other you ran with Anderson in his sportmod with in a Emod at Ada last year. I finished 2nd to Joey at Brills Nationals in my Emod and him in a sportmod and the week before he finished 2nd to me.

A quick change in a "sport mod"... I really try to keep an open mind to all tracks, but its really simple to me..

A very, very large amount of cars are built the same way to run ALOT of tracks, but SFS and BMS are smarter than all the other tracks lets bring ford 9" rear ends, and hell throw in a quick change. lol thats funny, the Factory Stocks were killed from 'great' rule changes now this class is just starting to take off and lets increase the price of the cars! lol

The 9" opens a pretty big can of worms that should have been kept closed. JMO

I agree the Quick change rule is just stupid, the 9" is a bad deal because they can change rear control arm geometries, and when you can put a final drive gear in the 9" and run 1:1 in your trans you have an big advantage over the guy running the 7.5. JMO

But lets not forget about IMCA going to any flattop piston, aftermarket rods and cranks, you just added $1000.00 to the motors.

That is why a "beginner class" is seldom a beginner class. The powers that be always put a bug in a promotors ear and say hea lets do this and lets do that.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

First of all, Brill is not running a Sport Mod class. They're B-mods. He just calls them Limited's. So you can throw the Sims-Sport Mod rules out the door. You can run your Sims-Sport Mods there with the B-mods, just as long as your engines are legal, which they should be.

B Mods with a quick change???? any intake??????? any header??????? roller rockers????? Whats so limited about that?????? We were planning on running some races there but not now. We can't compete with the rules that they have now. My point is Texas has all kind of these cars and have the same rules. Now they come to Oklahoma and we have 3 different set of rules. The Sport Mods are going to be doomed before they even get started

The only change I see from last year at Brill is the Quick change. Not sure why that was added. other than that every thing ells is the same.

When the NCRA goes to Brill these B-MODS aren't going to be legal to run in the SportMod class right????????

There is no way that they will be legal..... NCRA and IMCA rule are exactly the same....So it would be impossible for a car running everything that brill allows to be legal for a NCRA Southern Sportmod Show. They would have to run with the modifieds!!!!

Jayson Ellis

You are correct that the B mods at Brill will not be able to run as a NCRA sportmod becouse of the chassis. But what you guys do not realize is more than half the feature wins in 2008 at Meeker where won by Sportmods as was the championship. Half the cars that will call Meeker there home track in 2009 will be Sportmods. I do not think it is a big deal.

I do know for a fact that some of the"sportmods" at Brill that won were not running a metric chassis.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

Here are the rules directly from Brill's website for the 09 season.

INTAKE MANIFOLD:

1. Any dual plain intake. Cast iron or aluminum.
2. Any IMCA or NCRA approved intake dual plain or open plenum legal.
3. No porting or polishing of any kind.

Rear End

Any steel approved OEM passenger car or truck rear end allowed. Safety hubs (floater) allowed. All components must be steel lowering blocks, cap and drive flange. Full steel spool, steel mini spool or welded rear ends only. Steel axles only. Quick changes are legal. One piece drive flange only. No torque dividing differentials. No scalloped ring gears.

HEADS:

1. No porting, acid dipping, or polishing allowed. Screw-in studs and guides plates are legal.
2. Stock diameter springs only for heads used. Springs up to 1.440 are allowed due to Ford and Chrysler having the same size spring.
3. Flat milling allowed. No angle milling.
4. Full roller rocker arms or roller tips are allowed.
5. No aluminum or titanium components allowed. No carbon fiber parts anywhere.
6. Poly-locks are allowed. Heads may be cut 360 degrees under valves in bowl area only.
7. No stud girdles. 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5 angle valve jobs are legal.
8. No O-ringing block or heads.
9. Any breather/valve cover configuration/composition is allowed.
10. Due to Fords and Mopars having no cc rule, neither will Chevy’s.
11. If after market cylinder heads are used you must run stock diameter springs and valve sizes. 194-150
12. Engine Quest stock replacement head only. Part # CH350I

Link to the Rules http://www.brillmotorspeedway.com/limited.htm

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

I dont know what Sportmod you are talking about that was not a Metric chassis. The Sportmods that won Features that I am thinking about are the 64 (7wins), 10(4wins),31(2wins), and 11(1win) . They are all Metric chassis. The 75N, 75w, 1, 26, 5, 17, 7, where all B mods (Modified Chassis).

Colby, I used to wrong wording to describe what I meant. Based off what Crazydeke was saying about Brill using the word limited mods to describe the B-mods then that is what I meant about the sportmod thing.. Sorry for the confusion. I can truthfully say one of those b-mods was in fact a mod chassis but they were not running a quick change last year. One of the reasons they did not win as much as they did was he chose to go to his daughters softball games instead of going to Brill to race. Although, when he do show up he did fairly well.

This is what is going to possible tear this class apart too many different rules at too many different track with too many different name possiblites.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

You're wrong about this class going down. Its a class that lets old modified chassis' a place to race and be affordable. You can buy an old modified for as little as $1500 as a roller. That is affordable for a beginner. Mark has had a large number of these cars and will continue because it allows both types of cars to run together. And as Perry said before, usually the SIMS-Sportmod chassis's won out.

I never said it would go down all I said was it maybe would tear it apart. Though it is a matter of symatics. It will be interesting to see. If he has a good car count the entire year then I will say I was wrong. I will eat some crow.

I would buy me personally an SIMS-sportmod car and run a heck of alot more tracks instead of buying just a Brill b-mod car. The potential is there just like any class to get some stuff going on that lets the "avg" racer watch the A feature from the pits. I think that is what Witworth is trying to come across saying. If I am wrong about then then I am sorry.

What will do more harm than anything is , just like Witworth as stated, is that the money wants to spend it and the promoter wants to allow it. Stick to a set a rules for a class name that everyone understands. Don't go changing the rules for a particular name of class of car to fit your track.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

Lets not forget that Brill was one of the first to bring us a Limited mod class and most of his rules were in place before everyone else went to the Sims/sportmods. Most of the changes Brill mad this year was to allow IMCA/NCRA sportmod to be legal.The Quickchang is the only thing in Brills Rules I dont like. I have switched from a B mod to a Sportmod for 2009 and will call Meeker my home track.

The intake rule is any DUAL PLANE or IMCA speck intake most everyone at meeker is running a Performer or castiron the new Edelbrock spec intake is basically a performer.

Like Deke said it is cheaper to build a B mod than it is a Sportmod and most guys will race at one track all year.

Used sportmod Rollers are selling from $3500.00 to $7500.00

There are many used Mod Rollers from $1500.00 to 2500.00

Catpuppy

I agree with you that it would be nice if everyones rules where the same but that will never happen.

I think if I was going to run just Meeker I would have me a Modified chassis (Chevelle frame-floater rearend-weight jacks-etc.) and the modified chassis as Crazydeke pointed out are alot cheaper. Mark Norwood won alot of features with one of these cars and if he would have been there every Saturday night he would have won alot more and won the championship by a ton. I wish Brill would have went with the IMCA motor rules. I hope he has a ton of cars for this class and I applaud him for having a couple of NCRA shows as we will be there for that. I also was glad to see that Brill did do some teching last year and if you won 3 features you had to pull a head and would allow fellow competitors to take a look. Last year at this time you could buy a top of the line motor from Jeffs Performance for around 3 thousand. This year a top of the line motor will run around 7 thousand. You could get a used chassis at a good price last year and now they are higher than some modified chassis. I just hope that this CHEAP class doen't outprice itself