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What ever happen to the days when it was bring what you want to run. They made all these rules to keep the cost down it sure doesn't look like it is working.

SMRS midgets are open on engines and tires. There are some v6's and maybe some v8's this year. At least this gives a chance to come up wuth cheap horse power. You still can't beat the $40,000 dollar engine, if it happens there will be a lot of crying.

the sprint car community made rule changes to standarize things so teams could travel accross the country and pretty much compete with what they raced at their home track. it was done so teams would not have to spend money on stuff they didn't normally use just to compete somewhere else. not to try to argue with ronnie, but the same is pretty much true for the 410 rule. the outlaw teams had bad ass big blocks but most everywhere else in the country but PA didn't run them. it was hard to get local teams to run against them when they had the big blocks plus the outlaws had to run by the local rules in the day. to make it easier on outlaw teams financially the 410 rule was adopted for the woo. that meant those teams didn't have to carry small block 430's, big blocks, steel blocks, alum blocks, ect for different engine rules accross the country. if you wanted to run with the outlaws when they came to town you better have a 410 or less. the rest of the country standardized and that was the best thing they ever did. it meant a team could take off and race around the country with their local car and be legal pretty much everywhere. it was done as a cost savings for the woo guys so they didn't have to have so many different motors. as i said the standardizing of rules open up the door for it to be more affordable for the local guy to take off accross the country and race with the stuff he already had.

now i said i wasn't trying to argue with ronnie about the big block thing, i am just saying what has always been relatd to me about it.

if we are talking about ways to try to make things cheeper then eliminating titanium seems a good place to start. no ti nowhere. no bolts, rotor, parts of any kind. that would cut the cost. heck part of the cost of an outlaw motor is all the ti bolts and stuff in it. you guys are looking at the cars and trying to cut costs. what about shock dyno's and flow benches and torsion bar dyno's and other things teams spend big money on. messing with shocks had gotten to be a big part of sprint racing. teams are spending big money to fine tune their shock program. not all teams, especially local teams can afford all the technical gizmos. what about big tow rigs? you gonna try to limit that too?

i am seeing polls on here that want to limit stuff with the idea that if you unhook the cars then you won't need the HP so then you won't have to spend as much money on them. then i hear guys say go unlimited cause you can make more power cheaper. wtf? i thought i just heard that we were trying to limit the need for HP. some of you are so f'd up you can't keep up with your own ideas! i hear all the time that things were better back in the day. well back in the day that most of you are refering to there were not a lot of goofy rules and small blocks were the motor of choice. PA was about the only big block place. and if you guys want big blocks, run them. you all hate the woo any way. why even run their rules. do wtf you want and stop bitch'in. why do you even give a f'k what everyone else does? just run your own deal and limit yourself to your local racers and local races. make your own rules and then you will not have to worry about what the woo or anyone else does. the only reason you guys are bitching is cause the outlaws kick your butt all the time and you are thinking you may have a chance if you change the rules. you think they can't beat you then too?merry christmas.

Any time Tommy Johnson & John Gano (remember "The Elk" ?  "Moose" - whatever that was called with the wild wing(s)?   The crazy car at Knoxville many years ago) came up with something different the WOO would outlaw it.  I believe they were doing this even when they were "open" on their rules.

One big problem I still see is promoters having a set of rules for their locals to run so that they can't compete much of anywhere else.   I guess there's really no good answer to keep it less expensive but competitive... unless we go to really small wings or no wings and narrow tires.  That way the big motors couldn't get the power to the ground anyway.  But I guess that is regression.  We shouldn't have to go back to the Fronty Fords. 

Carmen Manzardo's car was a bit different also!

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JDsprint71 showed me pics that proved an old story I heard about the Tommy Johnson car.

The road to here-

Started with one of these-

Keep in mind a few "revisions" came along with the ideas. I saw pics of a roadster with a big right rear, wing,etc. The final version may not even have had an original roadster piece on it but, the whole thing started with an old roadster.

SWEET, now that is a racecar!

I don't recall ever reading that this car, or anything about it was ever outlawed by anybody. Best guess, is that it just wasn't as fast as the other cars.

This car came along when the "homogenizing" of sprint car racing was in full swing. It like a few others was no longer acceptable with the new WoO rules in place.

It was never fully developed, yet there are some things on this car that are being done today. There was still a lot experimentation going on in the '80s no one remembers.

IE- Carmen Manzardo.........................yes Nodust, I read your post.

I really wish someone would bring out the history of this car and it's fate once and for all.

Looks like the only part of the roadster left is a small piece of the tail tank. That thing would have been wicked fast if it would have worked right - a case of "looks good on paper"...

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One thing I notice about this car that makes it a real racecar in my eyes, is the fact that it doesn't have a stinkin' muffler on it! Mufflers suck! And it even has a turned up elbow on the header! To better disperse the loudness to the waiting ears.

I'm really hoping they didn't just cut up a roadster, maybe they went to a new frame along the way.

The unlimited super late models have grown in popularity over the years since adopting smaller tire and spoiler rules. The sprint cars decided to limit the engines instead and it's haunted them ever since.

 
 
 
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Definitely gets the Ugly Award. Does not look too safe either. A lot of crap to enter the driver area with little protection.

I saw the "Ugly Award" car at the Nationals in I think '88. It was surprisingly competitive in the

corners but wagged it's butt in the straights. It was smaller and underpowered. Some bizarre ideas.

Wasn't it built by some non-racing aero engineers?

If I remember right he finished 3rd in his heat ahead of S Kinser.

Sprints rule