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I heard from friends of Chad Kemenah's that the WoO have dropped their point fund $200,000. They are also trying to restrict the drivers from racing at any track except those that have WoO shows. These guys are nuts. Chad should go back to running with the All Stars. $50,000 to win point fund and he could be home a lot more often.

Heard the same thing from another team. If their objective is to help local racing, this will do it. We'll have more teams staying home now.

Savage

They are decreasing it by $200k or they are decreasing it to $200k?

If it's a decrease by $200k, it's still substantially more than anything anyone else has. Though I tend to agree that it's probably easier to make money beating 3 or 4 good cars on the All Stars tour than it is to beat 10 or 12 Outlaws (including those w/ NASCAR money).

True story, and I agree with the 3-4 good cars locally. I, too, heard it was going down by $200K Regardless, they still put on the big show and most drivers with a strong sponsor want to race there more than anywhere else. It is the idea of competing with the best, I think. JMO

Larry

Are you guys ok with the fact that they can't race any other tracks other than Woo tracks? This is not good for the sport. I know they are trying to protect themselves from the ASCS but if Fremont has the $20,000 to win show on an off night Chad can not run it because this is not an outlaw track. I believe this will hurt 410 racing.

Does anyone else get the feeling that the end is near for the WoO?

this is the 20th year in a row that the WoO is supposed to fold.

Someone has loads of money, or something it looks like. lol lol lol

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Not that I have a clue here, but how much does the champion get for winning the WoO championship? And would the backing out of last years title sponser have a lot to do with 200K not being around this year?

If it is true that the WoW would not be able to run at any other race track, well wont be going to Knoxville anymore,for the Nationals.

Jumping the gun aren't we. They always had rules about running another track. I doubt they will keep them from Knoxville but who cares, someone else will win the big money.

Bob, assuming that is a typo, as why would Missouri's Winged Outlaw Warriors have anything to do with this...

WOW!!! The WoO are still around? It was told on here three years ago that the WoO were finished and wouldn't make it through that year. The end is now for the WoO from November through March every single year for the past three or so years. It is a fact, some of you people said so.

Drivers had checks bounce in the later years of the "Ted" era also but the WoO are still in business and the drivers remain the same.

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I do not believe that the WoO feels the slightest bit threatened by the ASCS, or any other series for that matter. If the restrictions are true, they are simply taking another step to protect the only product that they (or any series) have; their drivers. That's just the way it is when you run a series. You want the highest point money (even if there is a cut) in sprint car racing, you tow the line.

Last I heard a month ago, Chad is planning on sticking with the WoO.

Take this as an example: Even if the pay was identical, if you had the option, which would you choose to play for; the major league Detroit Tigers or the minor league Toledo Mudhens??

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The Outlaws have been taking something away every year since the demise of the NST. They were first giving money away for teams to stay then all of a sudden the Petty's were gone after they spent a fortune to try to start up something. When the NST folded the outlaws cut tow money back except for the teams that singed on the year before. Then they cut the purse back some, yeah they got 50,000 to when races but it don't pay any different on back the a normal one day show. Now they cut points fund money. The Outlaws can do as they please because they still pay the most money out on every night, so until another series like the All Stars which is a great series or the ASCS which Emmett is trying to do comes up with something, the Outlaws will keep taking until they get some competition.

I think the sprint cars had around an $800,000 point fund and the late models are $400,000. It says on their website they pay out $1.2 million in point fund monies, and $15 million in purse. I don't see how they keep going either, especially this year. A lot of NASCAR teams are even folding like Petty and the Wood Brothers. They must have one heck of a benefactor.

(taken from the World of Outlaw website)

WRG operates two separate and distinct national touring series under the World of Outlaws banner: the Advance Auto Parts World of Outlaws Sprint Car Series and the World of Outlaws Late Model Series. Shortly after purchasing the World of Outlaws Sprint Car Series, WRG purchased the most prominent national touring series for the type of car commonly referred to as a “Dirt Late Model.” WRG swiftly rebranded the series with the World of Outlaws name, immediately raising the value and profile of their investment. These two series travel coast to coast racing 140 times across 32 states and three Canadian Provinces from February to November with more than $1.2 million in point fund awards paid out to the teams that survived the grueling schedules.

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That's really funny that they pay out 15 million in purse money, when the promoter is the one paying it out, not the outlaws.

At the end of the event the track cuts a check to the WoO that includes the sanctioning fee and purse minus the track's deposit (the deposit - paid earlier in the year - secures the date) and that check includes the purse. The teams are then paid by the WoO - by check that night for the locals and by direct deposit for the regulars the following Monday. The WoO gurantees the teams get paid even if the check from the track has "silicone-like" properties.

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I, for one, sprintfan, am a bit concerned about the WoO limiting where and when drivers can race, but I also feel this is mostly (heavy on the MOSTLY) a re-occuring midwinter rumor.  Dont get me wrong,  WRG and Dirt are fully capable of trying to do such a thing.  However, to me it resembles a bugling bull  elk,  running around trying to keep his harem together and bluffing the competition. JMO.  Besides.... 410 racing is in enough trouble without this kind of crap happening.  Lets hear from a drivers perspective.

Larry

just thinking out loud here but aren't there things like right to work laws that one would think might come into play if the woo was to take such an approach. they already have had a clause that teams can't race any winged 410 shows within 48 hrs or 250 mi of an outlaw race without written permission. to say that contracted teams and/or drivers can't compete at any venue other than one that hosts a woo show sounds kind of illegal to me. that would mean that they would be preventing someone from making a living at their profession in the sport if they wanted to race a 360 or a non winged car or even another 410 winged show if it fell outside the restriction. no more front row challenge or ultimite challenge for woo drivers. how do you think that would go over? if woo is going to do away with tow money and cut the point fund then there is no reason to be a contracted driver or team. it still pays the same for where you finish per race. i would have to check but i am not sure if you have to be contracted to get point money.

Cubic$ said, "I think the sprint cars had around an $800,000 point fund."

This is confirmed by the release from the banquet: "Over $850,000 in cash and prizes were awarded from the 2008 Advance Auto Parts World of Outlaws Sprint Car Series championship point fund, making it the largest point fund in short track racing."

Even if they reduce this by $200,000 (probably Advance Auto Parts gift certificates ), they will probably still be by far the largest payout in short track racing.