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November 13, 2008 at
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Posted By: jholz2002 on November 13 2008 at 04:44:07 PM
WoO has had a weight rule for quite a few years now. Where have you been?
WoO Rule Book
Rule 1.5 Weight: All racecars must weigh a minimum of 1,375 pounds as measured on the official WoO scales with fully suited driver in the car throughout the event.
ASCS Rule Book
Chassis Specs Weight Rule: Weight rule is 1,475 pounds., including the driver, at the conclusion of each race. Not a huge difference.
I do agree with everything else in your post though.
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I was being a smart a$$. Since when is 1,375 really a weight rule. Come on! You know how hard it is to get the car down to 1,375 with driver? The Outlaws spend the money to do it though!
The Outlaws have NO weight rule. 99.9% of all sprint cars in the US are legal by weight to run with the WoO. If it were a rule, others would have to make changes to conform to it.....right?
And 100lbs on a sprint car is a TON! You can build an ASCS car cheaper because of that 100lbs difference. The lightest of the lightest is to no advantage when you have to turn around and bolt weight on to pass the scales.
Our car isn't a high dollar piece compared to most. We run standard grade 8 bolts, not a $1,000 titanium bolt kit, standard weight rear end, typical parts everywhere. Lightweight parts on our car is steering gear, and rotating weight. We weigh 1,510. If we were WoO racing, we'd need to spend a few grand to even get into the same ballpark as the WoO boys much less a shot at getting on the field of play.
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November 13, 2008 at
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on November 13 2008 at 05:13:39 PM
I know a guy who bought a brand new 360 for $15,000, dynos at 710 hp to the rear wheels. I think the 410's are more like $20-$25,000. And the northeast has a good 360 program, between the ASCS Patriots, ESS, URC, Southern Ontario Sprints, ASCS Sprints on Dirt (mostly in Michigan and Ontario), weekly sprints at Ohsweken Speedway in Ontario and the Sprint Cars of New England in New Hampshire. I think by Eastern Seabord you mean Pennsylvania and Ohio, cause with about 30 360 races a year vs. only 3 410 races a year(all WoO) you sure as hell don't mean New York.
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I was referring to going on the road with ASCS and running the new Lucas deal, not a regional ASCS shows, versus running the WoO schedule.
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November 13, 2008 at
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Rogue-9, almost every point you made is wrong.
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November 13, 2008 at
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Posted By: CBGarage on November 13 2008 at 03:00:47 PM
ASCS not saving money?
The ONLY way you wouldn't save a TON of money racing ASCS is if you live on the Eastern or Western seaboard. If you live anywhere from Colorado to Tennessee or Texas to North Dakota, most races are within a 6-12 hour drive from home. Outside of those areas, you'll have a little more travel expense but you'll still be at home more often and spend less on the road.
ASCS - home every week (a couple of times per year you're out on the road for 2 weeks at a time).
WoO - home every couple of weeks (if lucky) so you're paying for the "crew" to be away from home; fuel, entertainment, etc.
ASCS - rebuilds every 20-25 nights on a good quality motor. (some top runners have ran a motor as many as 35 nights)
WoO - rebuild every 6-10 nights depending on engine/track/builder/etc.
ASCS - RR tire rule.
WoO - Open tires, you have to have an inventory of tires at all times.
ASCS - Weight rule
WoO - No weight rule, build em' as light and as expensive as you can!
ASCS - 40 race schedule, usually off 2 times per month.
WoO - TOO MANY! The more races, the more money you lose, like it or not!
ASCS - $30,000 brand new engine, pan to injectors
WoO - Are they over $50,000 yet or are they still in the $40's?
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No your way off on the weight. I worked on a car that ran the allstars and outlaws 4 years ago and we had to bolt 65 lbs to it to make weight. It weighed 1160 with new tires and without fuel thats with water in it. By the time you burn off the rear tires we had to finish with 3 to 4 gallons of fuel left. once you add a 160 pound driver your 10 over before you start hurting tires
And the tires the Outlaws have a RR tire rule also you have to run the same tire to qualify heat race and dash and you only have 4 tires to choose from sc12 sc15 sc25 and HARD so you can only burn up two RR's a night
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November 13, 2008 at
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Posted By: sprintfan0 on November 13 2008 at 08:24:51 PM
Rogue-9, almost every point you made is wrong.
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Are you sure you aren't referring to the list posted by CBGarage?
Phil Taylor
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November 13, 2008 at
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Oops! Sorry Rogue-9. CBGarage, YOU are wrong on nearly every point. LOL!
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November 13, 2008 at
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Posted By: filtalr on November 13 2008 at 04:13:44 PM
@CBGarage - The WoO does indeed have a weight rule. Nice unbiased, totally factual post there... 
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and there is a tire rule as well. sur there are 3 different componds commonly recognized but i believe most of the time teams are running sc12's.
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November 13, 2008 at
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Posted By: CBGarage on November 13 2008 at 06:39:01 PM
I was being a smart a$$. Since when is 1,375 really a weight rule. Come on! You know how hard it is to get the car down to 1,375 with driver? The Outlaws spend the money to do it though!
The Outlaws have NO weight rule. 99.9% of all sprint cars in the US are legal by weight to run with the WoO. If it were a rule, others would have to make changes to conform to it.....right?
And 100lbs on a sprint car is a TON! You can build an ASCS car cheaper because of that 100lbs difference. The lightest of the lightest is to no advantage when you have to turn around and bolt weight on to pass the scales.
Our car isn't a high dollar piece compared to most. We run standard grade 8 bolts, not a $1,000 titanium bolt kit, standard weight rear end, typical parts everywhere. Lightweight parts on our car is steering gear, and rotating weight. We weigh 1,510. If we were WoO racing, we'd need to spend a few grand to even get into the same ballpark as the WoO boys much less a shot at getting on the field of play.
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most of that 100 lbs is the difference in motor weight. switch motors in the same car and you switch weight. it is not like a 360 roller is 100 lbs lighter than a 410 roller. if you weigh 1510 with a 360 you are not that far off, if you have a 410 you have a TANK. we run open 360's at our track and have to weigh 1525 with driver, 1450 with an ascs. as far as having to bolt on weight, you can put it where you want it or need it, just like the stock car guys do. most 410 weight rules that i know of are 1375.
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November 13, 2008 at
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November 13, 2008 at
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on November 13 2008 at 05:13:39 PM
I know a guy who bought a brand new 360 for $15,000, dynos at 710 hp to the rear wheels. I think the 410's are more like $20-$25,000. And the northeast has a good 360 program, between the ASCS Patriots, ESS, URC, Southern Ontario Sprints, ASCS Sprints on Dirt (mostly in Michigan and Ontario), weekly sprints at Ohsweken Speedway in Ontario and the Sprint Cars of New England in New Hampshire. I think by Eastern Seabord you mean Pennsylvania and Ohio, cause with about 30 360 races a year vs. only 3 410 races a year(all WoO) you sure as hell don't mean New York.
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my boss just bought a brand new ascs for about 30k around 730 hp. 360 open is about 760 hp
my team bought a used fresh open 360 two years ago for 15k about 740 hp. 410's are 40k easy from most popular builders. if you are finding hard running motors for the price you posted you need to buy a few and make some money.
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November 13, 2008 at
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training wheels? thats only your opinion i hope. and yes most drivers wanted to be on the WOO because of the $ and the TV. but now the ASCS is right behind them as far as nighlty shows and TV. we'll see how everything works out after 09.
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November 14, 2008 at
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Posted By: outlaw_fan_7_8 on November 13 2008 at 11:27:19 PM
training wheels? thats only your opinion i hope. and yes most drivers wanted to be on the WOO because of the $ and the TV. but now the ASCS is right behind them as far as nighlty shows and TV. we'll see how everything works out after 09.
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I'm just saying the series is viewed as a B league series. When Kinser, Schatz, Saldana, and those type drivers sign on to the ASCS, then the way it is viewed will change.
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November 14, 2008 at
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Posted By: team wright-one on November 13 2008 at 11:23:13 PM
my boss just bought a brand new ascs for about 30k around 730 hp. 360 open is about 760 hp
my team bought a used fresh open 360 two years ago for 15k about 740 hp. 410's are 40k easy from most popular builders. if you are finding hard running motors for the price you posted you need to buy a few and make some money.
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The key with ASCS 360 racing is how much do you have to spend to be competitive. Everyone talks about 30k new motors but those are not needed to be competitive in ASCS. There are many ASCS racers out there with 10-15k motors that are competitive and win features. You can not find that in the 410 ranks.
At the end of the day, WHO CARES, just support SPRINT car racing.
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November 14, 2008 at
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Right or wong, more people can afford to race an ASCS 360 vs a WoO 410 and if you don't believe that, you're in a world of your own.
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November 14, 2008 at
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well to be honest i will support both. but depending on the drivers and the QUALITY of racing and the way the series handles themselves (unlike the kings royal) thats where i will be. i even plan on turning to the dark side and supporting my local door bangers. they might not be sprints but when they have 2 cars side by side for the lead for 10 laps at the end, i find that exciting.
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and on a side note i hope the #6 is back in 09. my 5 yr old son played world of outlaws sprint cars on the ps2 over the weekend and his favorite was the Casey's car. probably because it's 1 of 2 gas stations in our little town. but if that's what it takes to make a future sprint fan then i will be buying more Mcmahan stuff in 09.
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November 14, 2008 at
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Team Wright-one I am curious where your boss just bought a brand new 360 for $30,000? Who was the builder?
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aw shucks... you know me; my love affair with stevie k will never die!
hating kinser keeps me young!!!
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machine and can light my hair on fire, I'll be just
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Posted By: src on November 12 2008 at 04:52:58 PM
64 total wins
3 AllStar
5 Gumout
2 WoO Prelims
7 WoO Features
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Not trying to be a jerk but, how does this add up to 64 wins..............I keep on getting 17
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November 14, 2008 at
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Posted By: Wheelied1029 on November 14 2008 at 03:44:25 PM
Not trying to be a jerk but, how does this add up to 64 wins..............I keep on getting 17
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I imagine he has 47 unsanctioned wins.
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Posted By: team wright-one on November 13 2008 at 11:23:13 PM
my boss just bought a brand new ascs for about 30k around 730 hp. 360 open is about 760 hp
my team bought a used fresh open 360 two years ago for 15k about 740 hp. 410's are 40k easy from most popular builders. if you are finding hard running motors for the price you posted you need to buy a few and make some money.
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Wow 730 with legal ASCS heads ? 760 with open (21* heads ) good thing we dont race dyno sheets
a punch in the face always means something
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