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November 05, 2008 at
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It was pointed out by another member on another forum that Jac Haudenschild was using two different sized nose wings at Topeka. After looking back at my photos that I shot at HPT, it is obvious that the nose wing is a different size. What would the reasoning be behind doing this? What do you think?
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November 05, 2008 at
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Can't be any wider than normal. Must be an optical illusion because sideboards are max height?
1.1.2 Front Wing
a) Center Foil maximum size of 6 square feet with a maximum width of 36 inches. Center Foil must be square or rectangular in shape with all four corners set at 90°angles.
e) Front side boards maximum 12 inches tall and 26 inches long with no more than
one inch overhang from the center foil front edge to the side board front edge.
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November 05, 2008 at
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Looks to me like the nose wing in bottom pic has been knocked back on left front corner. I think it is an optical illusion. These cars are so hooked up that you wouldn't go with a smaller nose wing.
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November 05, 2008 at
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Posted By: david_jones on November 05 2008 at 04:56:32 PM
Looks to me like the nose wing in bottom pic has been knocked back on left front corner. I think it is an optical illusion. These cars are so hooked up that you wouldn't go with a smaller nose wing.
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look at the decals on both wings those are two different wings why who knows ask Jack
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November 05, 2008 at
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Posted By: david_jones on November 05 2008 at 04:56:32 PM
Looks to me like the nose wing in bottom pic has been knocked back on left front corner. I think it is an optical illusion. These cars are so hooked up that you wouldn't go with a smaller nose wing.
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Definately two different wings....look how close the decals are to the edges of the wing in both photos....definately a smaller wing on the bottom photo.
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November 05, 2008 at
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i was there and noticed that too...saw them change it out...the second one is definately smaller...i think they were experimenting...haha...i dunno what changes it makes to the setup but it sure looked to work to me...
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November 05, 2008 at
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Maybe the front of the car was planted to much, and wanted to loosing it up without changing anything else???!!! It is a smaller wing on the bottom though! huh?!
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November 05, 2008 at
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In the second photo the lettering on the wing is lager then the first one. The second item with the second photo is the front wing mount had broke durning the race and the wing is dropped down. The car is pitched in the corner alittle harder then the first so it looks like they are different. The WoO officials watch that the wings are legal and meet their specifications. I was at the race and watched them change the wing after the race.
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November 05, 2008 at
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Guys, those 2 wings ARE different sizes and both are within the limits of the rules.
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November 05, 2008 at
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My memory may be a little fuzzy because it was the Gold Cup, but I believe in Chico the R19 was running a nose wing smaller than others were running.
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November 05, 2008 at
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A GoOd sOuRcE tells me the bottom most wing is RumOrEd to be the same configuration as what the Scuderia Ferrarri team is using for their front wing in '09. The R19 is doing bEtA testing for SF this late in the season. This isnt a "For Immediate Release" as of yet. Also heard rumblings that Cooter Brown will be replacing Kimi Raikonnen as primary driver/pedal pusher for tean SF in '09,,,,,if anyone is interested. Has to be fact in my book.
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Posted By: cubicdollars on November 05 2008 at 04:30:13 PM
Can't be any wider than normal. Must be an optical illusion because sideboards are max height?
1.1.2 Front Wing
a) Center Foil maximum size of 6 square feet with a maximum width of 36 inches. Center Foil must be square or rectangular in shape with all four corners set at 90°angles.
e) Front side boards maximum 12 inches tall and 26 inches long with no more than
one inch overhang from the center foil front edge to the side board front edge.
http://www.worldofoutlaws.com/sprint/Downloads.aspx
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you are giving maximum numbers. it is legal to make the wing smaller.
i am going to take a stab at this based on the ft wing in the bottom pic being shorter than the wing in the top pic. if that is correct, and the widths are the same, they may have been trying to get the car to hook up more. by the looks of the bottom pic the track has started to slick up and hard pack. with a shorter ft wing i would think it would make it easier for the front end to pop up and transfer bite to the rear on corner exit. also with less ft wing it will not pin the front of the car at the end of the straight on corner entry, thus keeping the car on the rear tires more.
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Posted By: team wright-one on November 05 2008 at 09:41:11 PM
you are giving maximum numbers. it is legal to make the wing smaller.
i am going to take a stab at this based on the ft wing in the bottom pic being shorter than the wing in the top pic. if that is correct, and the widths are the same, they may have been trying to get the car to hook up more. by the looks of the bottom pic the track has started to slick up and hard pack. with a shorter ft wing i would think it would make it easier for the front end to pop up and transfer bite to the rear on corner exit. also with less ft wing it will not pin the front of the car at the end of the straight on corner entry, thus keeping the car on the rear tires more.
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Or it's just an optical illusion.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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Posted By: IBRACN on November 05 2008 at 01:17:23 PM
It was pointed out by another member on another forum that Jac Haudenschild was using two different sized nose wings at Topeka. After looking back at my photos that I shot at HPT, it is obvious that the nose wing is a different size. What would the reasoning be behind doing this? What do you think?
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I was going to make a smart ass comment about how the car would look prettier with no wings at all but the WoO guys don't know how to drive them without wings. Jac is probably the greatest exception to my three beer smartmouthyness though as that guy can drive em' real well both ways. Maybe he'll show up in a car at Manzy!
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Posted By: cubicdollars on November 05 2008 at 11:14:04 PM
Or it's just an optical illusion.
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Don't think this one's an optical illusion.. The proof is in the pudding.
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I wonder if it was teched at the 20" leading edge front of axle , I hope they make this measurement at the RF , it is definetly a smaller wing , looks rotated forward more on the car though? "monkey see monkey do", maybe he was trying to slow down the competition? even a steaming turd on the bumper makes the fast guys think . nothing new just games IMO
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Posted By: team wright-one on November 05 2008 at 09:41:11 PM
you are giving maximum numbers. it is legal to make the wing smaller.
i am going to take a stab at this based on the ft wing in the bottom pic being shorter than the wing in the top pic. if that is correct, and the widths are the same, they may have been trying to get the car to hook up more. by the looks of the bottom pic the track has started to slick up and hard pack. with a shorter ft wing i would think it would make it easier for the front end to pop up and transfer bite to the rear on corner exit. also with less ft wing it will not pin the front of the car at the end of the straight on corner entry, thus keeping the car on the rear tires more.
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I believe you hit this one right on the head, wright-one. it totally makes sense. when the track starts to slick off, you are looking to transfer as much weight to the right rear on exit as possible without casusing any drag down the strait away. with a smaller nose wing, the front end would lift up a little bit more than normal when you are getting back on the throttle, thus transfering more weight to the right rear, sticking it to the ground more on exit without causing any drag on the strait. now you wouldn't want to do this on a tacky track because you have a lot more speed and the track has a lot more traction on it and it may cause the front to completely lift up off the grount which is never good. seems like leonard lee was thinking outside the box on this one (which is what it takes to be a great crew chief).
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Posted By: team wright-one on November 05 2008 at 09:41:11 PM
you are giving maximum numbers. it is legal to make the wing smaller.
i am going to take a stab at this based on the ft wing in the bottom pic being shorter than the wing in the top pic. if that is correct, and the widths are the same, they may have been trying to get the car to hook up more. by the looks of the bottom pic the track has started to slick up and hard pack. with a shorter ft wing i would think it would make it easier for the front end to pop up and transfer bite to the rear on corner exit. also with less ft wing it will not pin the front of the car at the end of the straight on corner entry, thus keeping the car on the rear tires more.
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I stand corrected. If you actually measure the difference between the two pictures contending that the top wings are identical, the smaller front wing has around ~21" sideboards instead of 26". I would have thought they would have just moved the top wing back and stood it up a little more instead of going to a smaller front wing to help stick the whole car, not just unhook the front. Maybe what they are trying to do, is keep a lot of front wing angle in it, so the front wing feeds the top wing better for the bi-foil effect? ...and they needed to shorten it up because they didn't want any extra downforce up front and so Haud could see where he was going? Otherwise they could have unhooked the front by just taking out a little front wing angle instead of going to all the trouble of building a smaller front wing. Just lowering the wing angle instead would have made for less drag as well.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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Posted By: jholz2002 on November 06 2008 at 08:46:49 AM
I believe you hit this one right on the head, wright-one. it totally makes sense. when the track starts to slick off, you are looking to transfer as much weight to the right rear on exit as possible without casusing any drag down the strait away. with a smaller nose wing, the front end would lift up a little bit more than normal when you are getting back on the throttle, thus transfering more weight to the right rear, sticking it to the ground more on exit without causing any drag on the strait. now you wouldn't want to do this on a tacky track because you have a lot more speed and the track has a lot more traction on it and it may cause the front to completely lift up off the grount which is never good. seems like leonard lee was thinking outside the box on this one (which is what it takes to be a great crew chief).
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wright-one and jholz - That's zactly what I was thinking when I saw the pic - smaller nose wing would make the car tighter for when the track slicks over.
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Posted By: filtalr on November 06 2008 at 02:43:28 PM
wright-one and jholz - That's zactly what I was thinking when I saw the pic - smaller nose wing would make the car tighter for when the track slicks over.
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So would putting smaller tires on the front of the car...lol. Never heard of anyone purposely giving up traction, square footage or especially sideboard, especially when it's slick. Why wouldn't you just move the top wing back a pinch instead??? Because it would make the car too tight? Then why would you make the front wing smaller to do the same thing instead? Just don't get it for that reason alone. The reason they had to come up with a maximum measurement off the front axle was because people were heading in the opposite direction instead.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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