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Read this on Racing One forum, 1,800 360 winged sprint cars---No way, absolutely no way. Cannot believe that number. Posted here: Numbers compiled by Jim Harris in Omaha, Neb., and supplied to NSSN by National Sprint Car Hall of Fame and Museum Curator Tom Schmeh, seem to refute that point. While we are amazed at how Harris obtained these numbers and are interested in his methodology for arriving at the totals, the results are impressive. According to Harris, there are currently 710 winged 410 sprint cars (like those run with the World of Outlaws) competing. That does not include back up cars or cars in the back of a garage somewhere. Harris’s figures show another 939 410 c.i. engined machines that are racing wingless. Gaining in popularity every year, there are a whopping 1,828 winged 360 sprint cars visiting race tracks across the U.S., according to Harris’s figures. The longtime open-racing enthusiast also counts 616 winged 305 c.i. sprint cars. Finally, Harris lists 184 — a number that surprised us — winged and non winged supermodifieds and 51 winged super sportsman cars that compete in Pennsylvania. That’s 4,328 active descendants of the big/sprint....All these figures except maybe the 710 seeem very high.

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even 710 sounds high....but, who knows?

Well supermods aren't sprint cars. And I don't think those numbers seem that high. Add up all the cars that run with the ASCS, racing full or part time, with the 360's in California, with those in the northwest, then you also got the cars that run full or part time with the ESS and URC in the northeast, NRA Sprint Invaders, Winged Outlaw Warriors, NCRA, USCS and the cars that run with the Sprint Cars of New England (SCONE) that run at the Legion and Canaan Speedways in New Hampshire, then you got the 360 weekly competitors at Knoxville, Husets, Eagle, Cowtown among others. I believe 1,800

And does this include only U.S or Canada too?

The numbers are what they are. Jim puts together the Sprint Car Annual each year.

As a matter of fact, he even contacted me to see who 4 drivers were on Cowtown's point list for 2008, as he didn't have their home towns...and they were drivers outside of the top 30 in points. So I know he's done his research.

He also drove down to Cowtown last weekend from Omaha to get more pictures and such for the Annual.

PS: here's a post on hoseheads where he's trying to find more names that are on track points sheets in 2008, but missing home towns: http://hoseheadforums.com/forum~ThreadID~22869.htm

Does include Canada, not Australia.

As it should, lol. Thanks Jim!

In my shootin 'days I twice went over 800 DIFFERENT sprint cars in a year but I included winged and non-wing plus Canadian, American and Australian cars. Ahhhhhhh, the good ol' days. Take It Easy....

Are you getting out for some of the local shows or did you hang it up for good? It's a shame to see good talent go to waste. Even an occasional Street Rod show or something like that is better than nothing.

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Around here the sprinters evolved from the (dirt) supermods. In fact that is even the case in Penn. and many other states. The feeder system from other organizations and the handling principles of a sprinter as well as the saturation of the market , led to a lower resale value of the cars. That opened the door in a huge fashion.

If you start dividing the numbers by the 50 states it starts to look realistic or divide by just half of the states and you can start to see how it could be possible.

If the 710 number is accurate, then Ohio must contain about 20% or more of that number. I would be interested in knowing for sure which state has the most winged 410's.

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There are a number of 360 classes around the nation who don't run the ASCS rules... as with cast iron heads and also carburetted 360's.

Probably either Ohio or California.

He also left out the 358 class that runs in Pennsylvania. There are more than 105 of those unless he counted them as 360's

Excuse my ignorance here, but what is the difference between a 360 & a 358, other than a theoretical 2ci & the wing dimensions?

9th Annual Northern Ohio Sprint Car Show
March 18-20, 2011
Featuring the FAST sprint cars
NOSCS Hall of Fame, and much more...
At the Tiffin Mall in Tiffin, Ohio
Official home of the Hoserville Ohio Benefit Auction

With me not being mechanicaly inclined I could not tell you the differance., but maybe another Pennsyltuckian with some knowledge on the 358's will chime in. I can tell you however it is something internial.

Engines

1. Cast iron blocks are mandatory.

2. 358 cubic inch maximum displacement.

3. Flat top pistons only – no domes or dishes. Zero deck height.

4. Maximum compression ratio of 10.75:1 as checked by whistler gauge.

5. Maximum 3.5 inch stroke. Weight of crankshaft not to be less than 46 pounds.

6. Cast iron heads of stock configuration mandatory. “Stock OEM valve guide angle, no relocating valve guides.” No raised intake runners or spread port exhaust. Porting into runner ¾” to match manifolds is allowed. No port and polish. Ford Windsor heads may have the exhaust ported except the valve guides.

7. Intake port may be matched to the intake manifold or gasket, not to exceed a depth of ¾”. Intake valve may not exceed .060 inch over stock valve size, i.e. 2,020” stock – 2.080” maximum. Exhaust seats may be back cut under valve seat with a maximum angle of 75 degrees. No grinding or acid etching under the valve seat will be permitted.

8. Exhaust port may be matched to gasket or header, not to exceed a depth of ¾”. Exhaust valve size may not exceed .025 inch over stock size, i.e. 1.600” stock – 1.625” maximum. Exhaust seats may be back cut under valve seat with a maximum angle of 75 degrees. No grinding or acid etching under the valve seat will be permitted.

9. Grinding in the combustion chamber will be permitted. Welding in the combustion chamber will be permitted for repair purposes only. No welding to reshape the combustion chamber. The combustion chamber will be defined as beginning with the head gasket area and ending at the top valve seat. This is to allow the participant to meet the 10.75 to 1 compression limit and allow the competitor valve jobs to be performed to meet specifications outlined in intake and exhaust specifications.

10. No modification allowed to heads that would allow use of down nozzles or multiple spark plugs per cylinder.

11. Must be naturally aspirated. Fuel injection or carburetion allowed. Timed and/or electronic fuel injection units are prohibited.

12. No V-6 engines.

13. No titanium, plastic or carbon fiber components for crankshaft or rods.

14. Piston must be flattop with the top of the piston square to the bore of the cylinder.

Ascs 360's

358's are in with the 360's. I my mind there is no difference. Also remember there are 410 winged sprints on asphalt.

No I will not break them down by state.

If Jim put those numbers together, they are right. He has as much knowlege about what is going on in racing as anyone.