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October 02, 2008 at
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There are a couple of us that are looking at taking the undertaking of trying to get promoters (most of) on the same page in this state. Drivers, what do you think of these rules?
| STREET STOCK RULES 2008 Effective November 27 2007 |
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* The following safety guideline will be in effect at all times and will include any driver and car that competes........
1. American passenger car only. NO pickups, convertibles, station wagons or compact cars.
2. BODY: American factory cars with complete body. Front fenders must remain at least 75% of original size. Rear spoilers, 5 inches of material only. Any factory or replica body, OK. Fiberglass roofs and hoods are OK.
3. BUMPER: Type optional.
4. FRAME & SUSPENSION: Full frame cars may be 108" wheelbase minimum. Stock frame must match body. Engines may be no further rearward than #1 spark plug hole aligning with the centerline of the upper ball joint. Top tubular A-arms OK. NO rack-n-pinion. Shocks do not have to be in stock location. Rear suspension must retain stock trailing arms in stock location and length. Weight jacks OK. Extra shocks or coils OK. Unibody frames may be tied together from front firewall to rear kickup. Must retain original frame from front to rear end. Kickups from rear end to rear bumper optional. NO underslung bars under rear frame. NO rear sliders, stock panhard bars only. NO 2 or 3 link suspension allowed. Adjustable lowering blocks are OK. Any car that does not have original frame from front stub to rear kickup must add additional 100 lbs. IF IT DOESN'T SAY YES.....ITS NO.
5. STEERING: Optional type, may be of quick release style. Steering box must remain in stock location.
6. WHEELS: Steel! Bead lock on right rear only. All wheels must have 3/8ths studs and recommended 1/2" race type lug nuts on the right side. NO stock lug nuts will be allowed on the right side. 8" wheel maximum.
7. TIRES: Hoosier 500 or any DOT street legal tire no larger than 255/60x15. No cross groving.
8. TRANSMISSION: Any manual four-speed or standard three-speed with full gears including reverse. Automatic is OK with stock appearing sorque converter and in working condition. No racing type transmissions.
9. REARENDS: Any passenger car or half-ton pickup rearend OK. Interchanging and locking OK. Floater rearends OK.
10. BRAKES: Four wheel brakes in working condition at all times. Adjustable brake pedal OK. No scalloped rotors. No aluminum calipers.
11. ENGINES/HEADS: Max. 410 cu.in. NO roller cam. NO magnetos. NO aluminum heads. Dart Heads or GM heads are OK. NO angle milling. NO porting or polishing.
12. EXHAUST: Headers with collectors pointed to the rear MANDATORY.
13. FLYWHEEL & CLUTCH: Flywheel must have clutch on standard transmission. Pressure plates optional. NO buttons or couplers. Multi-disc clutch OK. Must have steel scatter shield.
14. STARTER: All cars must be equipped with self-starter. Must be in working condition and car must start on own power at all times.
15. CARBURETOR: One two barrel or one four barrel only.
16. FUEL TANKS: Must be inside of trunk with screw or lock type caps. Must be set in steel box with safety straps and secured tightly. FUEL CELLS MANDATORY.
17. FUEL PUMP: Manual pumps only. NO belt driven fuel pumps. NO electric fuel pumps.
18. BATTERY: Must be securely mounted and covered. It is recommended to mount battery under hood. Must be fully enclosed if in cock-pit and pass safety inspection.
19. SEATS: Only custom manufactured aluminum seats, acceptable to series officials, will be permitted. The seat must be properly installed. All seats should have padded rib protectors. An adequate padded headrest, acceptable to series officials, is mandatory.
20. SEAT BELTS & SHOULDER HARNESS: A lever-type quick release latch must be fastened to the lap belt. A lap belt no less than three (3) inches wide is mandatory. Both ends of the lap belt must be fastened to the roll bar cage with high quality bolts no less than 3/8ths inch in diameter. The shoulder harness must be no less than three (3) inches wide and must be attached to a roll bar behind the driver's seat. Where the harness crosses the roll cage, it must pass through a steel guide welded to the roll cage that will prevent the harness from sliding side to side. Shoulder harness inertia reels will not be permited. A center (crotch) belt must be securely mounted to the lower seat frame at the bottom and to the lap seat belt on the top. Where the belts pass through the seat edges, it must have a grommet installed, be rolled, and/or padded to prevent cutting of the belt. All seat belts and shoulder harnesses must connect at the lap belt with a quick-release buckle acceptable to series officials. Seat belts should not be used beyond (5) years. The date of manufacture should remain visible at all times. All cars should have either an approved window net in the drivers door or arm restraints. Seat blets must be SFI rated 2000 or newer.
21. WEIGHT: 289-362 must weigh 3,000. 363 and larger must weigh 3,100 with driver off track. All bolted on weights must be securely mounted and pass safety inspection. No bolt on weight in driver compartment. Any car without full frame to rear kickup must add 100 lbs.
22. FUEL: Racing gas or alcohol OK. No nitro or nitrous oxide. No pressure fuel system.
23. WINDSHIELD: Car must have screen or bars in front of driver. Minimum 2 bars, recomend 3.
24. WHEELBASE: Min. 108" and measured from center of bottom spindel to center of rearend on shortest side with wheels straight ahead.
25. All drives must be wearing racing jackets or uniforms while racing. Gloves and neck collars are mandatory. Helmets must be M rated or SA rated.
26. No mirrors.
27. ROLL BARS: Full cage roll bars from four directions. Full welded to frame. Must be gussetted with four (4) inch gusset in all corners. Roll bars must be made of 1 1/2" tubing of .095 wall and mut be a good grade of steel. A horizontal bar shall be installed with a bar in rear of cage. (X) bracing must be at least one inch in diameter. All bars round drivers head must be padded for safety.
28. MANDATORY HOOK-UP: All cars must have a front and rear hook-up device such as a loop to assist wreckers.
29. Numbers on both doors and top of car. Must be at least 4" thick and at least 20" high. Car number at least 4" high required in top right corner of windshield opening.
30. NO traction control devices of any kid will be allowed. (Example, but not limited to: Limited slip rearends or electronic).
31. DRIVE SHAFT: The drive shaft must be similar in design to the standard production type with a minimum diameter of two inches. All drive shafts must be painted white. All competing models must have a drive shaft hoop made of at least 1/4 by 2" flat steel and must be approved by series officials.
DISCLAIMER: The rules and/or regulations set forth herein are designed to provide for the orderly conduct of racing events and to establish minimum acceptable requirements for such events. The STREET STOCK rules govern the condition of all STREET STOCK events. By participating in these events, all participants are deemed to have complied with these rules.
They are intended as a guide for the conduct of the sport and are in no way a guarantee against injury or death to a participant, spectator or official. NO EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED WARRANTY OF SAFETY SHALL RESULT FROM PUBLICATION OF OR COMPLIANCE WITH THESE RULES AND/OR REGULATIONS.
The race director shall be empowered to permit minor deviation from any of the specifications herein or impose any further restrictions that in his opinion do not alter the minimum acceptable requirements. NO EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED WARRANTY OF SAFETY SHALL RESULT FROM SUCH ALTERATION OF SPECIFICATIONS. Any interpretationor deviation of these rules is left to the discretion of the officials. THEIR DECISION IS FINAL.
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David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com
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October 02, 2008 at
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David ;You might reconsider rule #27.095 is great for chromolly.For mild steel should be.120 wall.I know those cars are slow but still safety is always a concern of mine.
Steve Moyer CKS Fabrication & Welding
CKS Chassis
I want my last words to be "damn this is fun"
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October 02, 2008 at
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basically the same rules as every track around with 10-12 car count every saturday night.my opinion they need to be cut back to a cheaper class like street stock was 10-12 years ago.stock steel bodies,no weight jacks,stock mount shocks,flat top,flat tappet cams,duel plane intakes,stock 10 1/2" clutches,or more towards Imca stock cars or hobby stock,except 101" wheelbase cars allowed.just my 2 cents worth.
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October 03, 2008 at
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why not just go off Enid Street Stock rules, then they all could come to the $10,000.00 to win $1,000.00 to start "Street Stock Nationals" each year!
JMO................
Jayson Ellis
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October 03, 2008 at
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There is a few of the rules i like, but the other 95% of the rules i don't, completly stock Frame front to back nooooooo, you can square tube the back from center of the axle back, need to run a pull bar and panhard bar, also the tire rule should be better, i could go on & on, there is alot in these rules i don't like...Cubic inch rule i like!!! Transmission rule no good, for a Auto Matic, run a torque tube not a converter, Brinn, Bert & Falcon tranny's should be allowed, so to answer your question I dont like these rules you posted only a very few of them....
Danny Waller Jr.
Pro/Street Stock #1J
2006-2007-2009-2010-2011-2012 6 Time BMS Pro/Street Stock
Champion
4 Time BMS Fall Nationals Champion
2 Time BMS Spring Nationals Champion
Driver: Johnny Reed Jr.
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October 03, 2008 at
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thats why theres no car counts any where in street stock/pro stock classes.the've priced everybody out of racing.,with gas prices the way they are your going to have to lean more towards cheaper classes of racing to attract the average saturday night racer.first there were factory stocks,then street stocks then pro stocks then limited late models and before you know there dwindled down to no car count.look at your sport/limited mod class take off,it's a hell of alot cheaper to race than a modified,cut these cars back to a factory stock type car and pay some money you will have a full field every night.you have to remember the tires are what keeps the low budjet guy compettive with the big bucks guy.
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October 03, 2008 at
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Posted By: D_Waller on October 03 2008 at 08:53:37 AM
There is a few of the rules i like, but the other 95% of the rules i don't, completly stock Frame front to back nooooooo, you can square tube the back from center of the axle back, need to run a pull bar and panhard bar, also the tire rule should be better, i could go on & on, there is alot in these rules i don't like...Cubic inch rule i like!!! Transmission rule no good, for a Auto Matic, run a torque tube not a converter, Brinn, Bert & Falcon tranny's should be allowed, so to answer your question I dont like these rules you posted only a very few of them....
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Why not just run a latemodel?
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October 04, 2008 at
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October 04, 2008 at
09:50:52 AM by Nulfinski
David, It should be obvious to most people by now that those rules and a promotor that won't listen to what the racers want will continue to kill the Street Stocks in the Kansas area..I see it as having only 2 choices for the guys that would like to continue running this type of car.I have spoke to several others who share this same opinion..
Choice #1 for the promotor, continue to set yourself on your highhorse mentality, not give back to the racers,do things your own way and eventually kill the class or,,,
Choice #2 look at Enid Speedways success at offering more to the racer not only in possible Big earnings but a scuff tire rule that makes it so much easier to afford..The asphalt scuff takeoff tires are also faster on the type of track that we run on 90% of the time..If it gets to the point where we run out of the scuffs then racers can always buy new ones for about the same price as them slow a$$ Hoosier 500's..
The Enid Street Stocks are now capable of turning laps close to what some of the top modified teams are running for basically half the cost..It makes it allot more attractive to guys like us that can't afford full blown Latemodels and modifieds..The rules right now are also structered in a way to allow creativity with go fast setups and what I think are allot better looking cars to boot..
All tracks should also look at the Brinn,Bert or Falcon transmission rule in the future..They are a bit pricey new but by the time you burn up even 1 regular clutch and or a stock type transmission during a season then the money is well worth it in more ways than one..They are lighter,run cooler and overall less that can go wrong if you take care of them.
The only thing I would like to see changed in the Enid rules would be allowing Roller cams at all times in the future..The cost and severe headaches of losing cam lobes on a solid cam motor with todays oil quality and other issues makes it even harder to keep racing this class..It is much easier to build and break in a Roller cam motor with less to worry about which is also more cost efficient in the long run..
Enid's car counts were pretty decent all year even with a failing economy and high gas prices because they offer good finish pay and a good tire rule.The opportunity is always there to get a return on all the time and money that is spent running this class..They then had around 80 cars again for the SS Nationals this year..My advise to all tracks in Kansas and Oklahoma is to keep the local tire dealers out of our pockets and atleast line their rules up similier to what Enid Speedway has ! 
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October 05, 2008 at
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Late Model Fan, trust me if we had real late model racing here for a weekly show and could afford it we would definatly run LM's as they are my fav's, and have tracks run them all close here in the OKC area and all have the same rules oh yea it would be a go
Danny Waller Jr.
Pro/Street Stock #1J
2006-2007-2009-2010-2011-2012 6 Time BMS Pro/Street Stock
Champion
4 Time BMS Fall Nationals Champion
2 Time BMS Spring Nationals Champion
Driver: Johnny Reed Jr.
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October 05, 2008 at
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All indications are there will be a NCRA Northern Texas/Southern Oklahoma late model series in 2009. It will pay at least $1500 to win and I think $200 to start. Will have all details once the NCRA/Oklahoma series modified division tire rule and NCRA Southern SportMod and NCRA/Oklahoma modified purse is finalized.
With 81 Speedways season wrapped up today, I look for finalization on all of the above between now and two weeks.
David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com
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October 06, 2008 at
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Posted By: D_Waller on October 05 2008 at 09:48:16 PM
Late Model Fan, trust me if we had real late model racing here for a weekly show and could afford it we would definatly run LM's as they are my fav's, and have tracks run them all close here in the OKC area and all have the same rules oh yea it would be a go
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It's too bad promotor's in this area won't take the risk too start a latemodel class. I mean " I can't believe I'm saying this" even crate latemodels would be worth watching.
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