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PowerSlave
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Posted By: Hawker on September 13 2008 at 06:41:05 PM

An interesting tidbit I found. It looks as though the American public are not the only ones who is tired of the Iraq debacile.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_gcwVcqCcc&feature=related

 


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This message was edited on September 13, 2008 at 08:44:12 PM by BIGFISH
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Posted By: Hawker on September 13 2008 at 06:41:05 PM

An interesting tidbit I found. It looks as though the American public are not the only ones who is tired of the Iraq debacile.



That's right boy's, a independent study say's that our servicemen that are SERVING abroad have donated 6 times the amount of money to Obama than McCain. One reason is that McCain has consistently voted against bills that would help our men while their in service and when they come home. These men are paying attention. I have no idea what's wrong with so many of you when you see these things with your own eyes and hear them from non partisan and reputable agency's and people. For some reason you still refuse to except the truth, amazing isn't it?

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News came out today that the trip that Palin claimed that she made to Iraq never happened. Will the lies ever stop coming from the McCain/Palin camp?
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 http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/energetically_wrong.html

 


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This message was edited on September 14, 2008 at 02:47:22 AM by MissouriSprintFan

Simplified Republican platform on the economy: Prop up big business with tax breaks and incentives, lower wages (the Republican party is anti-minimum wage,) and etc. which fills their pockets, so in turn they will expand and create new jobs. Yup, that has really worked hasn't it? Created new jobs in and moved existing jobs to China and Mexico. Basically your far right neo-cons only care about their money and how to make more regardless of who they step on in the process. They don't give two sh!ts about their workers with the exception of how much profit they can make for them.

I had to start over at 42. My wife and I both working for minimum wage with two school age children (16 and 13.) Every day was struggle. Do you buy groceries, pay the rent, pay the electric bill, or pay the gas bill? So don't anyone try to tell me that minimum wage isn't needed and doesn't need the projected increases. I'm now 48 and have pulled myself out of it but have to drive 1 hour 50 minutes one way to work everyday to make a good wage. And yes, commuting 200 miles each day I get mad as hell when the oil companies are recording record profits.

I listen to Rush Limbaugh everyday. I used to get so mad I couldn't see straight from some of the crap that spews from his mouth. Now I listen just to see how ridiculous he can get, so I can get a good laugh. He made the comment about a month ago that there wasn't a poverty problem in the United States. If he truly believes this, the man has lost his mind. He has also said that one of the worst things to ever happen to the USA was Women's Suffrage and that women didn't belong in politics. LOL, now Sarah Palin is the best thing that has ever happened. And he talks about flip-floppers?

Have you seen the McCain/Palin TV ad which tells how much of mavericks they are? How McCain fought the Republicans in Washington and Palin fought the Republicans in Alaska. Why the hell they running on the Republican ticket? More of the same Bush bullsh!t is why.

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PowerSlave
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September 14, 2008 at 02:52:45 AM
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A little voter fraud anyone?

 http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/11/215330/858/425/595547

 

"Misleading" absentee ballot applications are being mailed out by the McCain campaign to registered Democratic voters in purple states. The return addresses are inaccurate, as well as other information. "Misleading, lying" mailers are going out in Florida and other purple states. It's a caging tactic.

Calls are coming in verifying that this is happening in small towns, as well as larger ones."

And............

"... the Republicans mailed out requests for ballot applications to Republicans.  Jennifer Brunner, the Democratic Secty of State, ruled the applications were ILLEGAL, meaning that the Hamilton county BOE could not send out absentee ballots to Republicans.

But instead of just requiring that the ballot applications be thrown away (which is what Ken Blackwell would have required), they are notifying these people that their applications were invalid.

The Republicans are claiming that they have used these forms before."


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Posted By: MissouriSprintFan on September 14 2008 at 02:43:38 AM

Simplified Republican platform on the economy: Prop up big business with tax breaks and incentives, lower wages (the Republican party is anti-minimum wage,) and etc. which fills their pockets, so in turn they will expand and create new jobs. Yup, that has really worked hasn't it? Created new jobs in and moved existing jobs to China and Mexico. Basically your far right neo-cons only care about their money and how to make more regardless of who they step on in the process. They don't give two sh!ts about their workers with the exception of how much profit they can make for them.

I had to start over at 42. My wife and I both working for minimum wage with two school age children (16 and 13.) Every day was struggle. Do you buy groceries, pay the rent, pay the electric bill, or pay the gas bill? So don't anyone try to tell me that minimum wage isn't needed and doesn't need the projected increases. I'm now 48 and have pulled myself out of it but have to drive 1 hour 50 minutes one way to work everyday to make a good wage. And yes, commuting 200 miles each day I get mad as hell when the oil companies are recording record profits.

I listen to Rush Limbaugh everyday. I used to get so mad I couldn't see straight from some of the crap that spews from his mouth. Now I listen just to see how ridiculous he can get, so I can get a good laugh. He made the comment about a month ago that there wasn't a poverty problem in the United States. If he truly believes this, the man has lost his mind. He has also said that one of the worst things to ever happen to the USA was Women's Suffrage and that women didn't belong in politics. LOL, now Sarah Palin is the best thing that has ever happened. And he talks about flip-floppers?

Have you seen the McCain/Palin TV ad which tells how much of mavericks they are? How McCain fought the Republicans in Washington and Palin fought the Republicans in Alaska. Why the hell they running on the Republican ticket? More of the same Bush bullsh!t is why.

PROUD TO BE UNION



Oboma said, "one of the things I've learned over the last 19 months is that a lot of people are going through their own trials and their own tribulations." and "There are a lot of quiet storms that are taking place throughout America,"...

Yep, a lot of the people out there don't relies how much the unions have done for them even though their not in one.

Hang in there buddy

Kenny


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the unions today are costing more americans jobs today than ever. they were a great thing when unsafe work conditions existed and if you didn't do the job, somebody else would. but today with the state and fed work laws, as in osha in place all the unions do is put employers out of business. our great once great steel producers went broke by keeping unions in too long. they have 1 person working while paying pensions on 3 retired workers under the age of 60.go figure how to make money like that.



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the unions today are costing more americans jobs today than ever. they were a great thing when unsafe work conditions existed and if you didn't do the job, somebody else would. but today with the state and fed work laws, as in osha in place all the unions do is put employers out of business. our great once great steel producers went broke by keeping unions in too long. they have 1 person working while paying pensions on 3 retired workers under the age of 60.go figure how to make money like that.



What unions? Only 12% of the workforce is even unionized. Down from the heyday in the 1950's when it was still only 30%. Two-thirds of our economy is consumer driven. The top 5% doesn't make the bottom 95%. The bottom 95% make the top 5%. Republican philosophy equals economic decline. If someone like Ron Paul is willing to step in and slash government spending then I'm all for it. Until then they can take a hike. McCain's only strong suit is that with a Democratic Congress nothing would get done anyway, so they couldn't screw much up.


 

 

 

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Oh my! I looked for the enemy and it was me LOL Palin could have said that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmRkTJRfwqA&feature=dir

Flip flop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwMyYaTvjXY&feature=user

Truth hurts guy's, so be carful with this one.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdW5IWVDMic&feature=related

A little music might help.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X9LypdiQFo


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Posted By: BIGFISH on September 15 2008 at 05:04:55 PM

Oh my! I looked for the enemy and it was me LOL Palin could have said that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmRkTJRfwqA&feature=dir

Flip flop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwMyYaTvjXY&feature=user

Truth hurts guy's, so be carful with this one.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdW5IWVDMic&feature=related

A little music might help.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X9LypdiQFo



so tell me, what was said in your post is going to affect your life, good or bad? sounds like just another media person saying the same thing the politician is, NOTHING THAT MEANS ANYTHING. you people need to try and think for yourself just once.



BIGFISH
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September 15, 2008 at 07:46:18 PM
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This message was edited on September 15, 2008 at 08:19:19 PM by BIGFISH

That's right, close your eye's and ears and pretend like you didn't see or hear anything that's right in front of you. Don't weigh the evidence, just keep doing what you've always done. That's certainly NOT thinking for yourself, that's just plain old not thinking at all..LOL

I guess you would say what happened on wall-street today is only numbers, and that Bush saying "don't worry, the econmy is fine ", is the truth in your house..LOL Yeah, you're a real thinking man alright.

Kenny


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 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/palin_troopergate


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Hey guys, how about that stock market today??? Nice job "W"!!!

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Hey I got an idea, how about the Community Organizer go over to Iraq and undercut the present administration. He can tell the American people he is going to pull out the troops right away, but ask the Iraqies to wait till the election of over to make any deals on troop reductions. Anyone that would do that should be in jail. The liberal media won't report that either. Oh yeah, number 2 or 3 on the list of people who received money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, yet that is Bush's fault too. (oh Hillary was in the top 3 also).




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OBAMA ON THE ROCKS AS LEAD FADES ON POSSE SOIL!

 

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Sep. 16 absentee ballot for overseas voters


Obama 247 McCain 257 Ties 34
Senate Dem 56 GOP 44
House Dem 243 GOP 192


Presidential polls today: CO FL NY OH PA UT VA RSS
Dem pickups (vs. 2004): CO IA GOP pickups (vs. 2004): (None)

 


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Hey I got an idea, how about the Community Organizer go over to Iraq and undercut the present administration. He can tell the American people he is going to pull out the troops right away, but ask the Iraqies to wait till the election of over to make any deals on troop reductions. Anyone that would do that should be in jail. The liberal media won't report that either. Oh yeah, number 2 or 3 on the list of people who received money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, yet that is Bush's fault too. (oh Hillary was in the top 3 also).



"Hey I got an idea, how about the Community Organizer go over to Iraq and undercut the present administration".

He** yes, that's a great idea! The best one you've come up with so far. In case you didn't know it LOL Iraq has over a $80 billion dollar surplus and that's after the powers that be have filled their pockets. You can bet that right now that their stuffing it in as fast as they can. The corruption over there is mind boggling.

Hey! When are they going to start paying us for trashing their country..LOL

Kenny

 


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BigRightRear
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you asked for it - you got it...Obama delivers on any order to undercut the effort to WIN the war.

looks like the basketball jones routine in Iraq was just a smoke screen for the in-bed press that are following around their mangod!
New York Post

OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL
By AMIR TAHERI September 15, 2008 --
WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.
According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.
"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.
Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."
"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.
Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.
While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
Obama has made many contradictory statements with regard to Iraq. His latest position is that US combat troops should be out by 2010. Yet his effort to delay an agreement would make that withdrawal deadline impossible to meet.
Supposing he wins, Obama's administration wouldn't be fully operational before February - and naming a new ambassador to Baghdad and forming a new negotiation team might take longer still.
By then, Iraq will be in the throes of its own campaign season. Judging by the past two elections, forming a new coalition government may then take three months. So the Iraqi negotiating team might not be in place until next June.
Then, judging by how long the current talks have taken, restarting the process from scratch would leave the two sides needing at least six months to come up with a draft accord. That puts us at May 2010 for when the draft might be submitted to the Iraqi parliament - which might well need another six months to pass it into law.
Thus, the 2010 deadline fixed by Obama is a meaningless concept, thrown in as a sop to his anti-war base.
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and the Bush administration have a more flexible timetable in mind.
According to Zebari, the envisaged time span is two or three years - departure in 2011 or 2012. That would let Iraq hold its next general election, the third since liberation, and resolve a number of domestic political issues.
Even then, the dates mentioned are only "notional," making the timing and the cadence of withdrawal conditional on realities on the ground as appreciated by both sides.
Iraqi leaders are divided over the US election. Iraqi President Jalal Talabani (whose party is a member of the Socialist International) sees Obama as "a man of the Left" - who, once elected, might change his opposition to Iraq's liberation. Indeed, say Talabani's advisers, a President Obama might be tempted to appropriate the victory that America has already won in Iraq by claiming that his intervention transformed failure into success.
Maliki's advisers have persuaded him that Obama will win - but the prime minister worries about the senator's "political debt to the anti-war lobby" - which is determined to transform Iraq into a disaster to prove that toppling Saddam Hussein was "the biggest strategic blunder in US history."
Other prominent Iraqi leaders, such as Vice President Adel Abdul-Mahdi and Kurdish regional President Massoud Barzani, believe that Sen. John McCain would show "a more realistic approach to Iraqi issues."
Obama has given Iraqis the impression that he doesn't want Iraq to appear anything like a success, let alone a victory, for America. The reason? He fears that the perception of US victory there might revive the Bush Doctrine of "pre-emptive" war - that is, removing a threat before it strikes at America.
Despite some usual equivocations on the subject, Obama rejects pre-emption as a legitimate form of self -defense. To be credible, his foreign-policy philosophy requires Iraq to be seen as a failure, a disaster, a quagmire, a pig with lipstick or any of the other apocalyptic adjectives used by the American defeat industry in the past five years.
Yet Iraq is doing much better than its friends hoped and its enemies feared. The UN mandate will be extended in December, and we may yet get an agreement on the status of forces before President Bush leaves the White House in January.



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This message was edited on September 16, 2008 at 02:45:11 PM by BIGFISH

You believe this guy, Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari and you still believe anything this administration say's? amazing..LOL... See my post above about the surplus over there and just maybe think for a minute about why those guys are in no hurry. Yes, think about it all by yourself.. You might just have a revelation, a moment of clarity if you will.

As far as winning this war against the people who were in those planes, they were all from Saudi Arabia, not Iraq. I'll bet a dime you were one of many(70%) who thought they were from Iraq, right? Don't you think that you still might be being mislead by this administration?

Kenny


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This message was edited on September 16, 2008 at 02:58:49 PM by fastforward

Just hoping Obama does NOT win, because our history books don't need another addition for assasination of a president.





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