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Yep, he's got a mind like a steel trap and I've been waiting for it to spring on me..

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

A few things come to mind. I might be wrong, but don't the USAC midgets qualify everywhere except Ventura? Doesn't USAC have the same basic point system and incentives for qualifying midgets as they do for sprint cars?

All of the previous years Grand Slam races had qualifying until the last race in 2007 when there was a real weak visitor car count at Ventura and Naylor cancelled the qualifying- there weren't alot of happy drivers or fans that night...

Now there's no qualifying at all in Grand Slam races. If you can bully the Bandits into agreeing to do the Grand Slam with no qualifying, bully the USAC midgets into running their shows with no qualifying, wouldn't you be trying to bully the USAC/CRA into not qualifying also? After all, if the Grand Slam still does business with you and the USAC midgets still do business and they changed their traditions, the logical thought would be that the CRA boys will change their tradition for you too.

Still is rather odd that the last time the track was watered was right after qualifying was done, and we had some lengthy down time during the evening, a quick watering of the track would have only helped the quality of the show, ensuring the biggest crowd of the year went home happy and ready to retun for more...

I could be wrong here but it would seem to me that if you watered the track that they had that night it would have just made a mess and also would not have been fair to the teams that had run the last heat race and semi. As far as time trials go, I think that is part of the show and would hate to see it cancelled but the way things are going with the economy etc. we might be stuck with the what ever the promoter decides is gonna happen at his race track to keep the place open. I would still take a night of sprint cars with no time trails than a night of what ever else the fairboard has in mind to put some butts in the grandstands. Wasn't it just last year we were trying to save Ventura? Seems a little early to be complaining about the program, at least we have one. Besides, next on the list of political grandstanding will be the water shortage issue, that one is already in the works.

after reading some of the comments,I wonder if some of you have ever been to Ventura.First off I 've never ran a race at Ventura where the track wasn't spritzed through out the night.It's normal to water the track either before the Sr. Sprints or the 'B' sprints.it's not unheard of for Jim Naylor to hop on his grader and redo the track before the 'B'..in 15-20 min.I am puzzled as to why people are assuming Qualifing cause the track to go away..I've go a theory..base on the same lack of facts .seems every time they increase admision the track goes to dust...lower the admission price on USAC/CRA nights to the regular VRA price and obviously the track will hold up ,the same as regular VRA nights.oorr maybe just drop one class and use thier run time to rejuvinate the track.USAC /CRA night should show case what a great track Ventura is ...obviously they failed in some peoples minds this time.

I don't know, maybe he is trying to bully the sprint division but it seems to me that USAC's sprint division is getting used to having their way over since the muscled there way in and I don't think it would work to bully them. What I think is that we should send them packing! Don't get me started, somebody stop me..LOL

"lower the admission price on USAC/CRA nights to the regular VRA price and obviously the track will hold up ,the same as regular VRA nights.".. Now that's some thinking around the corner 88, If there ever was such a thing..

Or maybe it was just a mistake?

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

On my lid one to many times? maybe, convoluted logic..yes.......on the subject of possibly 'bullying USAC back,I'd rethink that one ,sounds like the drivers got less of an opportunity to perform their best because the track surface deteriorated and the fans got less of a show....want to 'Burn ' USAC book a Faas/Gardner race next year

There ya go... I think Faas planted a bug in the ear of some the ASCA boy's over here. That's the sactioning body (club) that is struggling after ASCS came in and they lost Manzy as a home track. They didn't go with ASCS even though they did have Shuman.. (hi KOP)... He wasen't trying to get them over to Victorville but he did mention about how opening up the rules had a positive response.

Say, have you been feeling OK? You haven't been in a good heated discussion in days..LOL

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

You want a heated discussion.I'll start.As a driver developement program...315 c..i non winged sprint car class,restriced,hard ass rear tires,open to Ford,Chevy,Pontiac ,Dodge.......make it cheap as a modified to run.payout not top heavy....did I stir it up yet????

Oh man, don't do it Kenny---No, leave it alone Kenny---You don't know him that well Kenny--- Let someone else take the shot Kenny---The man has feelings Kenny---Maybe he's a better driver than they say Kenny---It could be to late for him Kenny---Maybe he can be competitive Kenny---NO!!,,, leave it alone Kenny.

You might have a good idea there, but remember, friends don't let friends drive Fords..Wheeew

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Many people that i spoke with that weekend told me that Naylor said that the 410's will NOT be back there next year. He has a problem with usac (funny how he was one of the guys that was instrumental in bringing usac into the fold to replace scra), and thats fine. Its his deal, run it the way you want to, but as soon as the BS and politics start, thats where i draw the line. Bottom line, he chose not to prep that track for the 410 show like he always has done in the past, and i will not be back if thats the way its going to be. There is not an excuse to be made that justifys a total complete lack of effort on his part.

Ventura is not my favorite track but I like it for several reasons. I like being near the ocean and the fact that it reminds me of a small town local track with its passionate race fans. Two weels ago was my second visit. Both my wife and I enjoyed ourselves and she bought a framed autographed photo of Tony Jones and I bought her a Thunderhead black, hooded sweat shirt with a pink sprint car on the back. The ocean breeze drifted away and we were very comfortable.

I was hoping that Kevin Kierce would win the wags dash but was happy that Austin Mero took home all of the cash. I also thought that Kierce's explanation as to why he gave up his USAC/CRA main event position to young Cody Williams was understandable. I liked Mr. Naylor as the track announcer.

About qualifying and track conditions here are some random thoughts. I have never been to an open wheel race where there was no qualifying. I like to get to the track early because it's (time trials) part of a tradition to me. I don't like pill draws. I don't know Mr. Naylor but every thing that I have read or heard about the man has been very good. Would he sabotage his track because USAC/CRA qualifying - I don't think so. He may have agreed with USAC/CRA about qualifying because of the wags race. That event is both a good day for the racers and the track. I don't think Mr. Naylor wants any part of upsetting his fan base or race teams. And who says there was a dispute between the CRA and Mr. Naylor regarding qualifying? As far as track conditions? It could have used more water prior to the semi main or main event, but I am no expert on preparing a dirt race track. I leave that to the experienced folks like Mr. Naylor. I believe USAC/CRA will continue to schedule at least two events next year - one being the very successful wags race.

"Ralphie, Senor, muchas gracias por una mas cerveza"  -
Scott Daloisio @ the PAS

If that's the truth, even you admit that it's hearsay and just a rumour, then why did he bother scheduling it in the first place? Do you think he was counting on changing how USAC runs their show's and had a tizzy fit when they didn't jump through his hoop? You're saying he deliberately messed up the show aren't you? Well I guess that was a stupid question on my part, of course you are. I think you should give him a call and ask him if that's what he did. I'm sure he would be more than willing to discuss the matter with you. Don't laugh and scoff at the idea unless you've tried. As long as you are going to bring these rumours and innuendo up I think you should at least make a attempt to find out from the horses mouth what and why.

I sat in the stands for years and listened to people bitch and moan about Keith Hall and most of the time I would just shrug my shoulders and say "I don't care as long as he keeps watering the dirt". But when it came to 2 nights of the Western being a winged show that was different. I went to him myself and we had many discussions about it before and after the show's on many different occasions and so did a lot of the other guys. If it's that important, call him or....

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Man Tripcrwn you sure are smooth. Me, I guess I'm just a little rough around the edges at times. We both seemed to get there though.

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

I am saying he chose not to prep the track like he always has done in the past for the 410 shows, and that the race sucked because of it. How hard is it for you to get that through your head. Ask your friend Rob, he was sitting next to me and thought the same thing. There was no effort done to prep the track and the race was crap because of it.

As far as the 410's not being there next year. Several people that i respect immensely told me that came straight out of the his mouth.

Good Day

Oh, Heck! Why didn't you say you were sitting with Rob?That explains aplenty, he was even complaining about the 360's LOL Remember boy's, it can always get worse.

Send them(CRA/USAC) over here, we've gotten burnt with this deal from the get go, now it's toast.

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

you guys havent found something new to whine about yet?

In the time it takes to run qualifying, Naylor could run another class of cars. And all of the drivers, owners, pit crew members and hangers on would have to leave some money in exchange for a pit pass.

for someone who spends alot of time @ Ventura accompanied by many complaints about the way the track is run (and hates the drive to the PAS) you should try getting out more. Maybe a movie? You may find that there is a whole new world for you to explore and comment on. As for Oakhurst, Big Fish, Turn4rob and KOP you (buzzard) may learn many things about sprint car racing and life in general. Sit back and enjoy their comments. Their participation here is one of the things I most enjoy. Your comments in regard to these knowledgeable fans reminds me of a squeeky door that needs attention.

"Ralphie, Senor, muchas gracias por una mas cerveza"  -
Scott Daloisio @ the PAS

This is old news. The rate you guys are at it youll still be "discussing" this right up till and after they qualify next month at seaside park again.

Oak can say whatever he wants, so can Rob and even though im not an American, so can I. They know id be saying the same thing to them standing behind the bleachers and then we would all laugh and go watch some more racing. Then one of us would probably get on here and whine about something...

If we could beat the rest of you to it.

Bigfish, I have heard Naylor many times say "I do not need USAC here." With his VRA he is a happy camper. Good car count in both sprint car divisions. But like all promoter if you can make just a little bit more money on 2 or 3 USAC show a year, why not. So his put up with qualifying, not liking it but puts up with it.