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Rumor has it that this feud goes way back. I've been a Sellers fan for years and have never really had a problem with Owens - so this is all JMO. The first exchange I saw last night was Owens bumping Sellers a couple of times during a yellow in turn 3. Robert tried several times to get in to his spot for the restart but Owens wouldn't let him in. So in turn 1 Robert sped up and tried to get in the correct spot (which Owens knew was where he belonged because I'm sure they were telling him on his headset) but Owens sped up as well, Robert intentionally turned into him anyway and ended up spun out when they hit. After Robert got his push start - he flew around the track and spun Owens out. This resulted in Sellers being black flagged - yet nothing happened to Owens. That makes no sense to me. After the black flag - Sellers went around the track again and stopped next to Owens to give him his opinion of the whole situation. In the mean time an avid Sellers fan climbed up the flagstand stairs and gave the flag man a piece of his mind - and it looked like maybe he even took the black flag from him. The police took the fan away, Sellers was sent to the pits, and Owens was given his spot back. IMO if Owens had just given the spot to Robert or been warned or black flagged for bumping Sellers to begin with, none of this would have happened. I'm not excusing Roberts temper getting the best of him, but I can understand why it happened. (Once again, if the track officials had done their job, none of this would have occurred.) Then the 2 drivers had another "meeting" in the pits to discuss the matter further.

I hated to see the crash in the beginning and am glad that both drivers are ok.

The up side of the whole deal was watching Shayla Waddell win her first A feature! She didn't let any of the happenings on the track distract her or break her focus. She drove a great race!

Over all, it was a very entertaining race!!!

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They both thought they should have the spot. Happens every week in each division. Very funny to see the Butler's being so upset though. Kenny Jr is one of the worst out there and he has a problem?? Very funny.

This doesn't surprise me about Sellars. He has also shown his "TRUE COLORS" at the Lawton Speedway as well. It is not the track officials job to control Robert's temper. Sounds like he needs some anger management classes! It's about time they black flag Sellar's for his unexcusable behavior. I have and always will be a Gary Owens fan. Can't wait to watch him race tomorrow night and Friday night.

Sellers was trying to get in where they were telling him to and Owens wouldn't listen to the officials. Got that from Sellers himself.

That wasn't the black flag that the avid Sellers fan had in his hand it was MY seat cushion, it happens to be black. And the cops did the right thing they threw me out. That's OK I don't like them either.

I would have to agree that Gary did get that from Sellers himself, as I have seen Sellers on many occasions do the exact same thing to other drivers. Sellers seems to think he should always get his spot back no matter if he even pulls off the track during the race.

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It just seems that Sellers is aways fighting someone. It happens time after time. I sure would not like to be one of his sponsers. I even seen him try to fight Tonny Holder when they drove for Jack Claxton.

What are you saying? Gary got what from Sellers? It sure wasn't the ability to drive a sprintcar!!!!

You weren't even there last night and yet you got an idea what went down!!!!! Stick to Lawton, and be part of the Deliverance clan that you are.

Gary Owens is a dirty driver, everybody knows it He spun sellers out when he was trying to get his spot back, yet no black flag for him, just like lawton, the officals love owens and he does no wrong in there eyes, Just like Owens took us out a few weeks out when we were leading the A-feature with only 2 laps to go. Yet no black flag for rough driving, Cant wait untill sunday Owens will get whats coming to him. In my eyes, both should have been black flagged and sent to the pits. But the fact that they only sent robert to the pits, just confirms that Owens is there Golden boy!!!

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Boy did I ruffle your feathers LOL!

What am I saying? Hmm, I think it was pretty obvious. Your are right on one count. Gary didn't learn to drive a sprint car from Robert. He learned from someone even better by the name of Glenn Owens. Dad has taught him a lot and they are both great people and talented drivers.

Me not being there is pretty irrelevant in this matter as the general consensus is saying they were both fighting over the same spot, which if you couldn't figure out the obvious that is what I was referring too in my previous post.

Another note, as you do not know who I am personally...What gives you the right to assume I'm a part of this so called Deliverance clan? I also take that as being an insult to all Lawton drivers. Strange that I didn't personally attack you, yet you attack me and the people from Lawton....shows how much class you have.

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YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT WRENCH. OWENS IS A DIRTY DRIVER AND YES PRISTINA YOU'RE RIGHT AS WELL. gary owens GOT HIS ABILITY FROM DADDY, dirty drivin, AND DADDY'S GOT LANNY IN HIS BACK POCKET. I'm surprized that Lanny don't let the owens gang pull the hairs out of his fat, midgit asz. Next time I see Lanny's car at the track i'm gonna piss in his window, all over the phonebooks he sits on.

It all boils down to, that magic word that keeps coming up, FAVORITISM!!!!!

My friends and I also talk to Robert. He said that Shane and him wont be racing Sunday night.

what the hell dude?

there aint nothing wrong with people from lawton - or dirt track fans that support lawton speedway. if that track ever gets better it will be because those who have stuck with it in its down times..........

dont lump everyone in with that kind of deliverance BS - and you could also be more original. too many folks use that same line. take a good look man ------- most dirt tracks are in the middle of nowhere ------ or in towns that are in the middle of nowhere ------ just because you are fortunate enough to live in the OKC metropolitan area ----- doesnt mean that everyone else who doesnt is sorry redneck types. i bet if christina wasnt at the track last night it was for a good reason. again - not everyone as fortunate as you or I to never have to work or other stuff/plans every friday night....

as for the incident. in my mind - they were both at fault. i thought the track should have dq'd owens too. nothin personal. doesnt even matter to me who started it or why. they both took on track jabs at each other ------ black flag em both..........respectfully jmo.

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like everyone else who tries to sound like a bad ass ------- you wont do a damn thing. sellers has gotten favorable calls before himself. i bet i seen it on a couple of occasions. i dont even have a dog in this fight at all. i'm not really a big fan of either ------ although i really like watching them both race. not really for or against i guess. i kind of just like seeing all the cars at the track...........you cant call owens a dirty driver without mentioning robert in the same breath. in fact - i seen sellers to 10x more than owens i'm pretty sure. bottom line they were both in the wrong. the proportion is insignificant ------ both were wrong.

but o well. it was entertaining.........but to me it doesnt overshadow the great racing we had last night. we should be talking ALSO about Shayla Waddell ----- and 30+ modifieds we had that put on some great racing. and Bruce Jennings. i mean - thats a feel good win too. and Tyler Johnson gettin another top 5. these things to me are just as significant.............lets start threads about all of them too....as well as for all the drivers who were there that put on a good show. and you should even tell lanny and the track thank you. he may be a jackass -------- but he's a jackass who put a near perfect track together friday night. hopefully we can have more like it tomorrow, Winter Nat's, and next year.........

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I think Golden Boy fits him perfect so i say go getem Gary "Golden Boy" Owens. JK Gary good luck Sunday.

Well said OKC.

who is Tonny Holder? I really like to watch both drivers race and a little rivalry dont hurt any thing.

i was in the pits on a trailer watching didn;t see either incident happened but saw owens sitting and sellers stop. does anyone know if robert got dq'd for spinning him or passing the pace truck to get back there.

Ok,

Time for me to chime in a bit with my 2 cents. I was trying to stay out of this one.

First off, I do agree with Robert getting the back flag for going back around and spinning (I had better not say my opinion of him or his dad on here) out, but the fact is that it should have never come to that as Robert was being told on the radio to get in front of the as* where he belonged. Owens started crying, and gunned the throttle when Robert went to pull in line. Then, as Robert is getting restarted, Owens is told over the radio to stay in line, and Robert to go to the back. Why the heck is that? In my opinion, it should have been the opposite (I have seen cars sent to the back of the line, or even black flagged several times this year for not allowing somebody back in front of them) or at the worst, both of them sent to the back, even though that doesnt really make sense either. Next, Sluggo calls on the radio to ask the flagman, or anybody else who is afraid to speak their mind, if they saw anything. Crazy where 5 or 6 officials scattered around the track all see nothing. Makes me wonder how they even know when there is a wreck, or anything else (wait, I almost forgot, they have proven to us that they don't even see those (remember the factory stock race a couple of weeks ago)) going on on the track. As far as anyone on here opening their mouths and bad mouthing Robert for what he did, maybe all you Owens lovers should take your rose colored glasses off and sit in a race car seat one time. If you did, you might understand what I am talking about. Now, I am not saying I agree with what Robert did, but I can't say I blame him either. How would ya'll have handled it? You eventually get tired of taking the B.S. There are several drivers out there who can get away with what they want, and of course the officials never see a thing.

Whoever it was that said that Butler Jr is a cheap driver, have you ever seen him race before except for the week he threw the helmet at the dipsh*t? Once again, what would you have done had you been in his shoes? Don't you think you would get tired of being "Deckerized" or "Owenized", or "Whitized" or ???

Question for everybody? How would you have handled the situation if your in his shoes? Not asking what you saw, because apparently alot of other people are blind out there also, but what would you have done if you were spun out while trying to get in line in the place that the officials are telling you on the radio to get into? Also, I can tell you that the FACT of the officials telling Robert to get in line ahead of Crybaby is not just Roberts opinion. There are 19 other racers who have radios who heard it (maybe Gary's head was to far up the midgets butt to be able to hear his radio, but others heard it). Even Sluggo said that they were telling Robert to get in there.

Sorry for the ramble,

but what would you have done?

JMO first of all I want to say to OKCFAN12 I agree, absolutely with your post, well put. And also have read many of your post, think you are very sensible and would make a great mediator. JMO Now what I saw Friday night was two hard racers going at it and what ended up being a good race turned into what I call circus mode and that is what Lanny has created. At all his tracks. I stood right there and saw Tom explain to Lanny what happened in turn 1 and the ring master choose not to do the right thing and send them both to the trailer.JMO As for the Tommy Holder remark that was made, I crew chief-ed and raced for 5 years with Tommy for Jack Claxton and out of that, through the dirt and the sweat , I saw two grown men go between two trailers and take care of business (and I mean talking not fighting), and out of that came 18 years worth of friendships that I cherish to this day. And I've seen this midway freak show at OKC and Lawton for the last 2 years.

JMO

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