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Dang folks, you'd think the Outlaws got rained out a couple more times this weekend, sheesh. Heck, even I thought the locals would do better at the one place they show some competitiveness at on a regular basis. Is reality stating that they are falling that far behind? This is the one place in the country that is strong in the 410 ranks and has the most tracks from a proximity point of view, but dang.

I would be curious if some Posse Brethren could comment without this getting ugly. I know competitive racing is what's the most important and it appears you're still getting lots of that locally but how far have they fallen when racing the big dogs and why?

Have at it folks, surprise/educate me with your answers, thanks. Take It Easy.....

I think that is only one reason for the silence. The other reason (which may be even bigger) is that so many stated after Tuesday night that Steve was pissed and to look out. Well, I'm sure Donny was looking out as he lapped him last night. So many on here wanted to believe that Steve was going to go on some kind of magical run one last time and catch the guys ahead of him in points. Sorry, ain't gonna happen. He's still going to win once in awhile, but Donny, Craig, Meyers and Joey are just too good now. Others have as good of equipment as him now and just as good of crews working on that equipment.

Agree! I can also gaurentee you Donny was pissed the way he lost on Fri. and was also on a mission Sat. night. Craig and Jason are a little surprising to me. I didn't think they would still be this strong at this time of the year. Time will tell if they'll be able to keep it up all year and further down the road. It sure would be nice to have some of those guys ranting and raving about how those two were ahead of Schatz early in the year and say how they feel at this point of the season.

Silence is only eclipsed by your absence again Mikey.................thanx for comin' out!!! Great weekend of racing, tailgating and bench racing. The circus boyz had em' covered this weekend............no question. Fred made the dash last night only by good fortune, and was lucky to get out of the dash with 4 tires. WTF??

Weekend observations.................Schatz loves WG and runs it like he's a regular. Pittman used Donny on Friday like 3 day hankie in yur pocket.............funny how I turned into a Pittman fan so quickly.................I'm over it now. Recall on the initial feature start last night was questionable, and the restart saw Schatz between the 2 front row starters when they hit the chalk.............a little impartiality from the officials would be appreciated. I thought the pole sitter started the race. Nice run by Paul after getting his car junked Friday. McCarl hit everything on the track this weekend. Best cars to watch all weekend.............................Darrah and Madsen.

"The Outlaws have people out here that don’t know 
anything about racing. I don’t understand how they 
come up with some of the calls they do. It makes me 
think that they just might be that stupid. It’s 
scary."     -Steve Kinser

Umm, hey guys I know you're pumped etc. but I was trying to get some response from the PA crowd, especially those that have seen the Outlaw shows at the Grove this year.

Donny is the man to beat right now but ya' need to show a whole lot more respect to Steve not only from what he's done but at what age he's still doing it. A man that has the utmost respect for Steve and once chided me for something I said is none other than Danny Schatz, you guys need to heed some of his advice. Take It Easy.....

PS Thanks Drak, that's the input I'm lookin' for, my burnout on racing continues but I will test it in a couple of days, maybe next year the batteries will be recharged......

Hey Drak...good to get to finally meet you at the Royal...hope to see you at the Open...

The pleasure was mine 71. Good night there at the E on Thursday, except for that massive dude doing a cartwheel into my head!! Please do your best to get to the Natty O and NOT bring 5 inches of rain in 24 hours, we'll do our best to do it right again this year.

"The Outlaws have people out here that don’t know 
anything about racing. I don’t understand how they 
come up with some of the calls they do. It makes me 
think that they just might be that stupid. It’s 
scary."     -Steve Kinser

Donny Schatz runs the Grove better than a regular.

"Just the facts ma'am", Sgt. Joe Friday, Detective, 
LAPD

Supaschatz and Wingnut15 agree. I wouldn't have guessed

I agree with alot of people. Just because our favorite is the same guy means nothing. Apparentely you've never agreed with anyone? I like Schatz more for where he's from than what he does. Being raised in N.D., it's nice to see someone making some noise from the state.

Talking with Danny and Diane, yeah, they have alot of respect for the guy. Let it be at that. Some things are better left unsaid. Something maybe Steve could have tried next time.

Easy tiger I'm just busting your balls or ovaries depending on your gender.

Tough weekend overall for the hometown boys, but hey it is the best in the bidness they were racing. Nothing but respect from me towards the WoO, but I hold that respect for every driver no matter where they race.

Had a great time again this weekend shooting both nights, as always. The energy was electric again both nights although Friday night was quite a weird one with a lot of pieces that ended up broken till the night was over. But the crowd on Friday night when Johnny Gibson was yelling out his famous call signal before the A main start was deafening to say the least!

Couldn't agree more with Drak's comments on the weekend.

But I'd also like to give a shout out to Chad Kemenah (3rd) and local Alan Krimes (9th) for their efforts on Friday night, great run guys!!

Hey Chris (gasitup) glad to see you are coming in again for the Natty Open this year, now you need to get Bryan and Jen to come along in!!!!

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I think the Posse has lost their mojo because their #1 fan, MSPN, doesn't come to cheer them on anymore. Oh well, there's still the National Open.

A

i was not at the track last night - was playing at the club (no movies sorry) - but i understand the racing was good from the usual suspects theat provided updates along the way.

i took Kemenah on the pool on friday and he ran well until he slid up high in 3-4 for several laps and looked to be fighting for dear life. he was fast but the handling was just not there.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

I believe The Grove also allows 1 additional tire compound than the WoO. No one, WoO or Posse, could get the bottom to come in during the feature. If that additional compound was allowed some of the "ice skating" in the last 10 laps may have produced two or three grooves of racing.

All in all a good two nights of racing - heats were fun and the feature had passing and traffic.

Speaking of deafening silence...

"Schatz moving in to lap Steve Kinser" - Bruce Ellis over loudspeaker Saturday night.

 
 
 
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I think the reference to the equipment and teams in that post also answers the local drivers problem against the Outlaws this year. Everyone is feeling the economic down turn to some extent, but you can't tell me that Quaker State can't supply more funds then Miller Bros Chevrolet (Rahmer), Budweiser probably has a few more dollars than J&S Fabrication (Hodnett), etc... Also, full time crews vs local help after work...in theory, who's gonna be better prepared? With that said, I don't think the local teams are just going to roll over for the Nationals, but when they aren't even running the same rules anymore, it makes it tough to compete when you already start out with less money and resources. Honestly, if they're going to run against the Outlaws, PA either needs to get rid of in-car adjustments (have the same rules, but I'd much rather the Outlaws still have them), or stop running WoO sanction events (Pay the same or bigger purses, but keep it non-sanctioned with PA time trial rules). It seems to me, the PA teams and Williams Grove would have the bargaining chip there, since I think the WoO need Williams Grove a lot more than Williams Grove needs them. Look at the crowd for the $30k to win dream race last year as evidence, PA fans will support the drivers and big races, sanction or not. I'm also willing to bet, that if they started paying that much money for the occasional local show, outsiders would certainly show and you'd get some big names. One more question, since the Knoxville Nationals are non-sanctioned, will in-car adjustments be allowed, or do they follow Outlaw rules? I hope it's the former, the sport was built on innovation and I hate that the WoO keep taking that away from teams.