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As I recall there is no teardown rule for the sprints!!! And thay sure as hell don't know how to tech a car. Even the inspections for the SFS sticker at the play days are worthless.

I have been involved in athletics for most of my adult life as a player, a coach, a referee or as an umpire. Racing and athletics have one thing in common, a rule book. The only fair way to conduct a race or a ball game is to follow the rules. If you don't, there is no reason to have the rules in the first place.

If the rules say you must run methanol, with no additives of any kind that should mean, NO FUEL ADDITIVES. If you really believe no one is using something besides methanol, all you have to do is get in a sprint car and follow some of the cars around the track. Methanol does not irritate my eyes, but many times I have followed someone and the tears rolled down my cheeks and my eyes burned for two or three hours after the races were over.

I don't know how many times I have seen someone with a fuel jug, with a gallon of something, pour it in the fuel cell, just before they cars go out on the track. Most people running straight methanol don't pour a gallon in, at the last minute.

The track has a simple way to test the fuel. It doesn't take very long, but if you ignore the results when they fail the test, you are wasting everyone's time in doing the test, in the first place.

If you check the cubic inches and they are illegal, you must DQ the car. If you don't, then why even have a cubic inch limit?

You can eliminate most of the traction control if you require the sprint cars to run internal coil magnetos. Get rid of the MSD and it is very hard to have traction control. There are ads in some of the racing magazines for traction corntrol for midgets. Do you really think they don't make it for V8's?

If you do not have deep pockets, the easiest ways to keep up is cubic inches and exotic fuel.

At SFS, if you weigh enough, you have both mufflers in the headers and the left rear is not too big, you are legal.

A while back, the ORA did some checking and they found a tester with a probe on it that you could take a breather off, run it inside the motor. If they was oxygen present in the crankcase, there was something besides methanol in the fuel. This tester was not very expensive and it would help to eliminate the problem with the fuel, but the race track does not have one.

It would be an ideal situation, if the tech inspectors were neutral, like the referees in a football game. The rules must be administered in an objective way. That means black and white. It is legal or illegal, there is no in between. The rules seem to be administered in a subjective way, which means everything is left to someone's interpertation. In some cases, it comes down to how illegal is it? Is it just a little illegal, so we can ignore it? In the last few years, if they find something illegal they make it legal, by adding it to the rules.

Originally, when they went to Brodix spec heads, you couldn't angle mill them. They had the tools at the race track to check them. Everyone started angle milling the heads, but instead of DQing the cars, they legalized angle milling. Then they started unshrouding the valves, which was illegal, at one time. Instead of doing the right thing, they changed the rules to legalize what the engine builders were doing.

The bottom line is the rule book is worthless, if you are not going to enforce the rules. It is better to have a few basic rules and enforce them, regardless of who you are.

Every once in a while, I have to get my soap box out and vent all my frustrations, even though I don't race any more.

Brandon:

Good info -- thanks.

I just pointed out that the statistics, at least to this point, reveal that the super sprint division has been balanced. If there are irregularities in some of the cars, it appears to me, again based on the numbers, that there must be irregularities in a lot of the cars.

"I'd pay $15 to watch a sprint car sit still."

Yeah that would be the drivers ability!!!

I agree with Wingin It. There are some damn good drivers in the Super class. I mean most places would kill to have weekly show we do. I would take the top 15 or so in points + the fast guys that don't show every week over any other 360 show in the country. I mean we have guys that are nationally known such as Danny, Mike Peters, Larry Neighbors, Jaime Passmore, Darren Stewart, and even Joe Jr. now, and the other guys are just as fast. So like I said, the cheating won't let you dominate (especially against the cast at SFS) but it will let you be more consistent.

Brandon, what do you still need for the motor? I might have one, if it isn't money.

Thank god you dont race anymore gosey.

That makes two of us.

Money...haha

I agree with Brandon! The show at SFS is good every week. Thanks to those guys who show up every week and to those who are there when ever they can make it. We drive from Lawton every Friday night to see it We are really lucky to get a show like that every week so I hope everyone will keep on coming out to support all the classes.

GOD, Family, Dirt Track Racing,  OU Football, and the 
Dallas Cowboys is what we live for:)

The biggest problem I had as tech inspector in the 80's & early 90's, was it was me & 1 other person trying to keep up with 200 cars. Can't be done!! 2 people trying to stay up with 200 + who read the rule book in a different language. Racing IS all about being innovative, but a wise man asked me once, are you cheatin a little or a lot? Cheatin is cheatin.

Tried to get volunteers 1 year to help tech cars, Charlie Sewell tried & lasted about 6 weeks. It really is a thankless job.

Sorry tried to go to classifieds but it's mucked up. I happen to have a mint condition OPEN WHEEL # 2 from 1980, the one with KENNY ROGERS on the cover. It is for sale. I do have an OPEN WHEEL # 1, it is NOT for sale. Thanks.

Producers of major Fishing Tournaments that pay big bucks use a Lie Detector to identify those cheating.

Simple easy no labor intensive method.

who do you think is cheating

wtf? u serious?

local dirt track racing - not big bucks. actually all cirlce dirt track racing - not big bucks.

geez they dont even do that in the nfl or major stick and ball sports. fishermen are nazis! lol.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

Lanny

thats a useless question to ask on here.

no one should really answer it either - it starts a ton of stuff but addresses nothing practically.

to determine who is illegal - first it would have to be determined what the actual rules are at SFS first - and that is almost impossible to do. i would bet that on any given night over half the sprints would be illegal. but remember - there is nothing really illegal outside of aggreisive driving - and that is overlooked half the time.

all lanny wants is for them to come to the track and bring as many people with em as they can (pit passes at 25 a pop add up to big time profit) - get out and mud pack the F-N track (their words half the time) - then get in the staging area 2 races early (or in other words "Get Em Up! Get em up!" - and then throughout the night keep your mouth shut and ask no questions and promptly go home so the lil midget can count his money leave. repeat this 25 times a year and there you have - Aint Fair Speedway. o - i almost forgot about the nightly insult of having to go get your payout - which is in insulting compared to what he rakes in and what he gives back to the dudes who put ont he show for him. every tracks purse is an insult to all drivers. every track needs get a pair of BALLS - or better yet BRAIN CELLS and be a lil less greedy. either pay more or put rules together that in the long or short term help to drive down the cost of racing. promoters put together rules that allow the rich to spend their dough - and the lil guy to do everything he can to catch up - and then pay out such shitty purses - - - its an insult to the drivers - especially ones scratching and clawing financially just to go out and finish 17th. these people need more money. or 12 cars in each class will be the SHORT TERM future in all classes at SFS. if he keeps pandering to the richer teams and not even holding them accountable to the rules that already favor them - - - then within a year or 2 that is all he will have. everyone will blame it on economy and 6$ a gallon gas - - - but those could be SOMEWHAT offset at least for awhile.............but a less greedy promoter with a long term agenda and who probably doesn't have a multi-million year paycheck a week after every new year's - is required.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

The answer is fairly simple, if the Oklahoma Racing Association would band together and become a state wide sanctioning body in each and every class such as NCRA, ASCS, or World of Outlaws for example then the sanctioning body would dictate and enforce the rule book, not the Promoter.

Don't forget the Promoters job is to Host an event and fill the seats.

I think cheese is cheating!!!!! lol. nobody is cheating until they are caught..... so nobody will ever be cheating at sfs! lol

Bobby Springer #25

I dont know what races you have been to but ive drove modifieds that would pull both front wheels off the ground on the straights. If thats not hooked up I dont know what is.

Well at SFS Lanny is the man , he isn't going away , so if there is going to be any change you will have to go to him or around him

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