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Guess you just don't get it do you. I have never been for or against the WoO. My comment you are responding to was a joke. Please read the first post and maybe you can see the humor in it.

what poor leader ship and bad ideas. don't just say stuff, give us some examples. how did the nst change woo and what did it change. what is different about woo in 2007 than in 2004-2005? what is better for fans,drivers,owners,promototers that you can directly attribute to nst. not trying to be a smart ass,just asking you to be more specific. are purses better,schedules,the prices promoters pay?what are the big changes?

remember that ted johnson said he thought the usa set woo back about 4 years. so where do you get your info that nst leap froged woo into the future?

again i'm not being a smart ass. i would very much like to know what you know on the subject that leads you to make the comments you do,.not just your opinion. for all i know you have a valid point to make.

my take on it is that the nst was,and now it is not. that is it. it was a bump in the road much like the usa. did it make some difference for the better? possibly.did it make some difference for the worse?possibly. did it chang the face of sprint car racing? i don't think so.

a lot of people took sides in the nst/woo split. and a lot of people said a lot of things. it so happens the side you supported is no longer around. i do not hold anything against you or anyone else for picking a dog in the fight. just don't try to convince me that your dog made the other dog better by being around to get it's ass kicked. at least give me some solid info to back it up.

First of all, I had no loyalties, one way or the other.

DIRT HAD the ideas of starters as one example of piss poor management.

DIRT had NO mainstream TV contracts.

DIRT HAD leadership made up of people with reported poor credentials.

NST forced the WoO to start doing things that Ted could have done, such as TV contracts, public exposure and promotion of the drivers and their sponsors.

DIRT/WoO now has leadership with decent, well respected racing folks.

WoO had become complacent over the years, and I know that they were forced to spend a bunch of money to improve the series, without a doubt, way faster than their business called for.

Again, I don't believe I ever chose one side over the other, but I did see WoO finally start doing things that Ted COULD have done a decade ago.

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i believe the idea of starters was thrown out before nst came along. but i could be wrong. if all the nst did was that it was worth it !

woo HAD A TV CONTRACT in 2006.what is your proof that nst caused any affect on the contracts they now have.

woo have always provided public exposer and promotion of thier teams.in what way has that changed

what/who got changed in woo leadership as a direct result of nst.

what did they spend a bunch of money on to improve the seris,and how did it improve the seris.

sorry if i got it wrong about taking sides.hopefully we are all on the same side.

again please look at this as someone you are trying to convince that nst had a profound change on woo. and give valid reasons and examples.again, you may have some really good and valid points and reasons. i just get tired of people giving all kinds of opinions for how nst has helped woo and not backing it up with valid info.

your opinions are just fine,and you are welcome to give them all day. i am not trying to start a feud or disagree with you. i'm just willing to be eduacted by someone who can provide solid info that nst really helped woo like you said. i have already said i'm sure nst had some kind of positive impact on woo even if i don't know what exactly that impact was.i'll give you that.but to convince me that nst had the kind of impact you are saying it did will take more doing than i have seen from you. that is it nothing more and nothing personal.

Bottom line is, the WoO did NOT do a whole lot to promote themselves or their talent before the split came along.

The WoO put on crappy shows for way to long.

I think you and I are on the same side, I just think that the NST forced the WoO to do things that Ted should have done decades ago.

I will be interested to see how mainstream TV coverage helps the teams.

I can't believe the outhouse channel was a huge asset.

I took on Dish network at the beginning of the season, and threw it out after 4 months and paid my contract byout, just to get rid of it.

I think the whole attitude of the racers, the teams and the fans have changed a lot in the last year or two.

The WoO would be dead in the water if not shaken into reality by a disenting group, whoever they were.

I for one am happy to see a little bit of unification, and a little bit of fan consideration being their new goals.

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"The WoO put on crappy shows for way to long."

I went to see the NST show at Cedar Lake, WI & the WoO show at Princeton, MN.

The NST race was just as crappy as the WoO race which was just as crappy as it has been for the last 5 years.

Neither was worth the cost of my pit pass.

The IRA & the local, unsanctioned 360's both put on better shows at Cedar.

Shhhh! I've got one hooked up to a Dish receiver right next to my computer desk. I just wanted to dramatize my excuse for stirring up the masses, that's all.

Stan Meissner

i agree that the nst shaking up woo was a good thing.

Bottom line is, the WoO did NOT do a whole lot to promote themselves or their talent before the split came along. if you mean a tv package when you say promoting themselves, i'm sure woo has been trying to do something like that for a while. they got the tv packages before nst fell and their is no way to say if the nst had anything to do with that. you could also say that woo may have got a tv deal sooner without the split.

The WoO put on crappy shows for way to long. how are the shows going to NOT be crappy now? if you mean there will be more cars than last year traveling, what did that have to do with nst. i will say that because of the split,some teams that would of otherwise not ran the full deal last year did. and by doing that they found they COULD run the full deal so now they are going to try to do it again. that may make for more cars.

i guess we could respectfully agree to disagree on just what effect the nst had on the woo.

but i agree with you that we would all like to see more done.

i would like to see bigger purses paid. ticket prices have gone up in the last few years and i believe sanction fees have gone up but prize money,tow money ect. has not.

the change in the tire rule may be a good thing. i really don't know yet.

finding a way to cut the expence of motors would be nice but when you limit things like that you risk taking away the insentive to expieriment and try for more. after a while some of the things learned in motor development trickle down to everyone.

i think we are all on the same side but it is just like polititions. we all can't agree on how to make things better

nodust my good ol' bud, you speak with forked tongue. As we have talked about many, many times before you don't like the Outlaws, plain and simple. You also DON'T go to see them race anywhere but Knoxville and almost all those shows are good ones, hmmmmm. Forget the wives tales of dry dusty tracks, single file, no passing etc because for the most part that hasn't been the case for years.

Bent anti-something with legitimate experience or knowledge of the subject is one thing but to sit on the porch and condemn has no validity at all, sorry for the Posse reference, lol!

The NST didn't force the Outlaws to do anything, the Outlaws laughed at them and knew it was only a matter of time. The NST had one thing going for them, period and that was Steve Kinser and he simply went out and had his most mediocre season in his career, so sad. The pressure of the series being tied to his name and the negatives he faced from fans around the country had to make a difference and Steve as the true champion he is will likely bounce back again this year. The series WAS Steve Kinser and folded when he said he was done and they had NO effect on the Outlaws unless you are dreaming.

There are three MAGIC words in sprint car racing and always have been, they are WORLD OF OUTLAWS and when you say they're comin to town the place is about full. There used to be about 17,000 people registered in this forum and I don't know how many are here these days with the new edition but do the math. They will draw more than 30 times that many fans this year all over the country so you had better understand that the few in this forum do not now nor ever have represented any kind of majority in the whole picture.

Drano, you can't knock something you don't watch or see or follow, speculation and wives tales won't work, wouldn't you agree. Still love ya though, lol, Take It Easy.....

Mikey, Mikey, I have seen the Outlaws at a few tracks other than Knoxville.

I have seen them in PA, I have seen them in Missouri and Kansas, as well as California.

Before this past season, you usually saw a crappy show wherever they raced.

A couple years ago, the Outlaws had gone over 10 weeks with the winner coming from the front row.

Competition makes a better product, this competition made the WoO much better than years past with some passing, some variation in winners, more media (such as the trailer), better people such as Shane Carson being more in the forefront.

This past year, I was blessed with a very busy work schedule, thus I didn't travel far to major events, but it is still not uncommon for me to show up at a weekly show at Husets on a Sunday night, and still open my business at 7:30 on Monday morning, 350 miles away.

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BigRetardedRedneck...

Ask the Lamberti/Parsons crew where your beloved Steve was a mere 48 hours prior to the NST announcement regarding a points fund sponsor was.

Race fans fall into one of two categories...Tattooed, 
shirtless, sewer-mouthed drunks, and their husbands!

If it wasn't for the split would the Outlaws went out and landed the likable Shane Carson?

Posts that start off with name-calling usually don't provide too much credibility or make many worthwhile points.

Gee, with all of these big TV contracts, the demise of their arch rival and their major improvements that DIRT has made (insert sarcasm) one would think that their stock price would be headed up. But once again, it drops to another all time low of $1.85 a share. I'm supprised that all of the drum beaters haven't rushed out to scoop up a bargain like that.

Member of this message board since 1997

im not a kinser fan...nor a kinser worshipper...nor a shareholder whos fortune depends on kinser.

but do tell us mr. poopa droppa...where was kinser 48 hours before...shaving?

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

My bet is he was smoking a cigarette while laughing at all of the posts about the new "King of the Outlaws"........ But that's only a guess.

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I supported the NST....actually I thought I was supporting SPRINT CAR racing. I had no favoritism, but appreciated what the NST was trying to do no different than what the WOO originally did against something like USAC (if you knew your history). This kind of racing is grass roots and needs to keep that spirit. I love the Outlaws too, but you better be careful. Dirt Motorsports may run the show to speak, but they do not own it yet. This is not Ted Johnsons anymore, but "people who have invested in a product." I get nervous that one series is back in a way because if something should go wrong we could very well not have anything. By the way, the NST thing is old......they tried, shit happened and this is where we are at so lets leave it alone. I just hate coming to this good site to see it wasted by stupid posts done by people whose only connection to racing is a beer in one hand cheering on the wrecks. If you put down the NST you put down sprint car racing and in all honesty was the best races I saw all year!!!!

Brent

Nobby

By the way awesome post....right on the mark.....just remember the people we are dealing with.....I never thought the beavis and buttheads of the world knew how to use the computer....UHHHH :-)

Brent

Hawker when it becomes a penny stock lets go half on $20 and be the major public share holders.

Duane, the Outlaws were lousy at Chico last year? I don't think so? Was that a lousy show at US 38 last year? I don't think so. What decade did you see them in PA, lol?

You are too smart a guy to say that before last year you usually saw a lousy show with them, come on. Be truthful, how many Outlaw shows have you seen outside of Knoxville in the last decade not counting the two tracks I have already mentioned, I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts that it's less than five.

The NST were not competition to them last year, they were more like a pimple to a cheereleader which went away leaving no mark. Some people have ALWAYS disliked the Outlaws and you are one of them, we have had this debate for almost a decade and you are not likely to ever change them, let's leave it at that. Take It Easy....