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Just heard about a 1/2 hour ago that KC is running tonight from a local. With Eldors cancelling early today this is probably goinh to be a Mini-Outlaw show. Wish I was in Mid-Season form like the PA bretheren and was attending this one.

Later,

Shoes

They have late models scheduled for the 12th...no 410 sprints.

That makes sense with KC. No wonder I have heard so many people complaining the past few years about them not running sprints on a regular basis. I can not believe that the ownership does not realise that there a tons of people who do not know what they are doing in the Columbus area and therfore have quit making the drive down there. I my opinion they need to run sprints every week for cryin out load.

Shoes

Take a look at the schedule for the last couple of years, they do run 410's alot.

The Ohio tracks seem to not schedule local sprints against the Outlaws. Attica had only late models and 305 sprints on their schedule for Friday that was rained out. Imagine the outlaws would not have been able to run anyway with their 48 hour rule.

A. Good move not to schedule 410s over the scheduled Eldora WoO show. That would not be smart business, and Jim is coming from a racer's perspective. He would be running Eldora back in the day himself...

B. The WoO guys couldn't race there if they wanted and 410s were scheduled. You all seem to forget the 48 hr. 250 mile rule...it's going to bite Knoxville on May 3 when the WoO is at US36 the night before...

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48 hours - 250 miles?

what kind of bullshit rule is that?

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The intent of the rule is to prevent the "dilution" of the WoO show by fans having the option to see the same guys at a nearby track and maybe going there instead of the WoO show.

However, in the case of a rainout, I doubt the WoO would impose the penalty since there would have been no opportunity for a prior arrangement and certainly would cause no dilution.

Also, the WoO teams can ask permission to race within 48 hrs, and 250 mi. and it "will not be unreasonably withheld."

Here are the two paragraphs from the WoO rulebook :

9. FINE SCHEDULE
...
b)
Any World of Outlaws Platinum or Gold Member driver or car running a non-
sanctioned 410 Winged Sprint Car event within a 48 hour period and a 250 mile
radius of a sanctioned event will be deducted 250 points per infraction from the
current point standings. Prior WoO written consent will not be unreasonably
withheld.
c)
If a World of Outlaws Platinum or Gold Member races a non-sanctioned 410
Winged Sprint Car race within 48-hours of a WoO event, the race must NOT be
within 250 miles of the World of Outlaw event. The competitor’s name must not be
included in any pre media or advertising. 250 point deduction...."

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With as bad of shape the series is in financially they have to protect their sanctioned races. They can't afford for their drivers to run non sanctioned races. The fans may take in non sanctioned races and not travel to attend the sanctioned event. With the amount of the fees they are charging they must guarantee the promoters exclusive rights to WOO talent in the area.

The 48/250 rule is indeed in place to protect the promoters' interests.

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That rule has been in a place for a long time. That is why there are always Outlaw drivers walking around the pits at Lincoln's anniversary show, but none racing for fear of losing their points. The rule is designed to extract maximum cash from fans. The WoO don't want people thinking, "Why pay $35 to see an Outlaw race when I can pay $13 to see Outlaw drivers race at Lincoln and the Grove like they did earlier this year?"

I think I subscribe more to your idea singlefile.

I can see what folks mean about promoter's interest. but I still think thats bullshit. it's a selfish interest if anything. for the exact reason you stated above dude. and why even have that rule for the whole marketing thing - the exclusive rights they are currently holding on to sure ain't making em any money. I think folks would still want to see the WoO - and WoO drivers would still run WoO. However I kinda can understand about the name marketing.

if you don't mind sharing - what were the details - I mean the relative payouts and what support divisions were runnin at the lincoln and WG shows you are talkin bout?

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Rule been there for years.

The Grove and Lincoln both pay $3,000 to win their weekly shows. The Grove is the best purse in central PA and, as far as I know, is still second to Knoxville's weekly show at the highest weekly purse in America. I believe the Grove is $325 to start their weekly show, and Lincoln is slightly less. The Grove ran 358s as the support division, and I believe Lincoln had 358s and Thundercars. General admission is $13 at each track.

Of course, the weekly shows at places like Williams Grove or Knoxville or Attica pay much less than a WoO sanctioned race, but there are teams that would race unsanctioned shows if the rule was not in place. Some of the Outlaw drivers were offered top notch rides for Lincoln's anniversary show ($5,200 to win last year), but they had to turn them down.

I am not being sarcastic at all, but I am surprised you were not aware of the WoO 48-hour rule prior to this. It has been mentioned many times on this board.

The reason the WoO can dictate to their drivers when and where they can run is because there is not any other option to run on the road for the money they offer each night. That doesn't really work so well in the Late Models because a guy like Scott Bloomquist will say screw all the sanctions and race where he wants to and make more money than he ever could by staying loyal to any one group.

For all the BS that has been posted on this board for years about who travels and stays on the porch, it still gets back to the fact that most Sprint Car drivers in the country have no choice but to go on the road if they want to make even a halfway decent living driving Sprint Cars. Central PA is the biggest exception to that fact. That is the reason you very rarely see guys from PA on the road -- Lucas Wolfe and Lance Dewease this year being exceptions.

Anybody on here run a sprint car at KC? We are planning on running there a couple of times this year and was wondering what gear, bars and stagger to run. We run a 360 and turn the motor around 8 grand. Thanks