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I would have to agree on the economics. I would also like to see a 305 class here in or around the OK area, afterall this is the birthplace of the ASCS. They race them in Knoxville and in PA Posse country why not here? With oil prices the way they are and the ever rising cost of racing along with it the budget racer is going to be extinct.
I have a 600cc non wing with a Suzuki GSXR 600 one set of crankshaft bearings cost me $83.70 VS one set for a 305 (CLEVITE from Summit Racing) $23.95. Or blow a 600cc and new crankcases will run a guy 1600.00 VS a Stock 305 block at a fraction of that.
I would like to see some of us here in OK campaign for a 305 class.
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Well its all relative. You can spend the farm or you can be resourceful and find good deals. It just depends on how new of a chassis you want or what your motor rules dictate. Here's something I don't understand. I have never driven a 600cc deal but I do race a 305 car, and I don't understand how a guy can say he would rather race a mini sprint over a full size car.
and then the next few posts will be about fuel costs, how they should take the wing off, who's posse, why people love or hate the WoO, some comment about how this is a racing board, Hillary, Obama, xxx race cars, pit pass prices, who will drive for Guy Forbrook.....the bitch list goes on and on....
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KSquared Racing, get in contact with Rick Salem from the United Rebel Sprint Series! The URSS is always wanting to expand. Its too late to start a series this year most likely, but next year is looking good! The URSS expanded to four regions this year. The website is http://www.unitedrebelsprintseries.com/ . Go to the forum and start a thread on what you want!
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March 23, 2008 at
09:05:15 PM by Midwest Race Fan
Posted By: slow_sprinter on March 23 2008 at 02:07:30 PM
Topic Name: Economics of 305 CID limited sprints vs. 600cc micro sprints
and then the next few posts will be about fuel costs, how they should take the wing off, who's posse, why people love or hate the WoO, some comment about how this is a racing board, Hillary, Obama, xxx race cars, pit pass prices, who will drive for Guy Forbrook.....the bitch list goes on and on....
Hey now, you forgot "Where are the Chessons?", "Anybody want to buy a helmet dryer?", and "I still have three tickets to the Mopar Million for sale."
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Posted By: slow_sprinter on March 23 2008 at 02:07:30 PM
Well its all relative. You can spend the farm or you can be resourceful and find good deals. It just depends on how new of a chassis you want or what your motor rules dictate. Here's something I don't understand. I have never driven a 600cc deal but I do race a 305 car, and I don't understand how a guy can say he would rather race a mini sprint over a full size car.
and then the next few posts will be about fuel costs, how they should take the wing off, who's posse, why people love or hate the WoO, some comment about how this is a racing board, Hillary, Obama, xxx race cars, pit pass prices, who will drive for Guy Forbrook.....the bitch list goes on and on....
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I agree it is all relative, however when you rebuild a engine for a 600cc micro sprint you will see that the cost of parts is not relative. You say you have never tried one, so I dont think you will really ever know there is no relativity. However, I my area it would be nice to have a 305 association or at least racing. This would allow others who see it is cheaper to build and maintain a 305 vs a 600cc micro to run a real sprint instead of a wanna be sprint car.
So if you want to race and cant afford a 360 Sprint and there are no 305 classes then the next best thing here is 600cc.
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Posted By: Midwest Race Fan on March 23 2008 at 09:04:44 PM
Posted By: slow_sprinter on March 23 2008 at 02:07:30 PM
Topic Name: Economics of 305 CID limited sprints vs. 600cc micro sprints
and then the next few posts will be about fuel costs, how they should take the wing off, who's posse, why people love or hate the WoO, some comment about how this is a racing board, Hillary, Obama, xxx race cars, pit pass prices, who will drive for Guy Forbrook.....the bitch list goes on and on....
Hey now, you forgot "Where are the Chessons?", "Anybody want to buy a helmet dryer?", and "I still have three tickets to the Mopar Million for sale."
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i run a race saver 305 and there are goes going out and having pro build motors built and spending 15,000 on it. You can build them in your garage cheaper then that. heres a few website. the only thing is it still cost money to get there and money for fuel the car and alot of times you lossing money.
http://www.vamotorspeedway.com/
http://www.pa305sprints.com/
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Please take a second look at a micro sprint. Your average car costs you 7,000.00.
Drivers in our area have cars ranging from $10,000.00 to $3,500.00.......
What Most EXPERTS forget to tell you is that you can get 40 races out of a stock micro sprint engine with a stock ecu.
You do not need a full blown outlaw 619 - 636 to race a micro sprint, Toney Roney has proved this running a STOCK 06 GSXR 600 on gas without a Power Commander, picking up two feature wins in Powri competition, and 3rd in Powri points in 2008. Powri bosts some of the best micro sprint drivers in the nation.
A brand new engine kit will run you 5,500.00 that is (header, muffler, cut down harness, power commander, Ecu, Billet airbox, modified oil pan, motorplates) ready to drop in.
305 Injection runs you $1800 with filters and nozzles Used, Mag used 500$, world product heads are better heads than stock. there is 1,200.00 roller ready, forged rotating assembly with scat crank 1200$, stainless rockers $224 a set, cast pullys 68$, belts 13$, good oil pan avg. 100$ good cam 100$
Before machine work minus a bare block, bolts, gaskets, plugs, headers, oil beathers, valve covers, we have a bill of 5205K. Also a sprint car fuel pump alone will run you 500$
Now the operational costs......
Oil change in a micro, every 3 to 5 races with good oil filter total cost 40$
Oil change in a 305 every night average cost?
Fuel bill for a Micro sprint 15$ a night Fuel Bill for a 305 sprint car 75$
Tires New for a micro $120RR LR$105 Fronts$85-95$ Big car take that figure x 2
Payout in Central Iowa 250-150 even a 500 to win show in 2008 and 40 dollars was a minimum for tow money with a high of 100$ to start the A main.
Complete turnkey cars with spares (competitive) run you 6,500.00
You can buy a turn key car trailer and all if you look for 4,500.00 and it is NOT junk.
Micro sprint nose wing 75$ top wingnew wing $275-300$. big car nose wing $100 top wing 550$
Wheels Micro fronts 150 rears 200 to 275 Big car wheels fronts 180 rears 440
I understand all 305 drivers don't run the latest and greatest equipment but also compare pay scales and opperating costs.
Also micro sprint driver have to travel a little, in 09 we are looking at 4 tracks (stock car facilitys) within a 2 hour radius of Knoxville, Iowa.
Real SPRINT CAR racing ONLY AT A FRACTION of the cost!
For more information on our micro sprint Iowa based Micro sprint series visit us at http://www.miniakotamicrosprints.com
There are many 305 variations in rules, but this is some SMALL info of what it takes in central Iowa.
A 305 compared to a 360 and 410 is cheap full size sprint car racing.
But even replacing wrecked cars, Micros heims and radius rods cost less along with spindels and front ends.
That and we are basicly racing for the same amount of pay. Not favoring one over the other however I can't afford to compete at the level I want to in a 305 like I currently am in a 600cc micro sprint.
Dan Henning
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Posted By: Lndmotorsports.com on January 07 2009 at 12:42:29 AM
Please take a second look at a micro sprint. Your average car costs you 7,000.00.
Drivers in our area have cars ranging from $10,000.00 to $3,500.00.......
What Most EXPERTS forget to tell you is that you can get 40 races out of a stock micro sprint engine with a stock ecu.
You do not need a full blown outlaw 619 - 636 to race a micro sprint, Toney Roney has proved this running a STOCK 06 GSXR 600 on gas without a Power Commander, picking up two feature wins in Powri competition, and 3rd in Powri points in 2008. Powri bosts some of the best micro sprint drivers in the nation.
A brand new engine kit will run you 5,500.00 that is (header, muffler, cut down harness, power commander, Ecu, Billet airbox, modified oil pan, motorplates) ready to drop in.
305 Injection runs you $1800 with filters and nozzles Used, Mag used 500$, world product heads are better heads than stock. there is 1,200.00 roller ready, forged rotating assembly with scat crank 1200$, stainless rockers $224 a set, cast pullys 68$, belts 13$, good oil pan avg. 100$ good cam 100$
Before machine work minus a bare block, bolts, gaskets, plugs, headers, oil beathers, valve covers, we have a bill of 5205K. Also a sprint car fuel pump alone will run you 500$
Now the operational costs......
Oil change in a micro, every 3 to 5 races with good oil filter total cost 40$
Oil change in a 305 every night average cost?
Fuel bill for a Micro sprint 15$ a night Fuel Bill for a 305 sprint car 75$
Tires New for a micro $120RR LR$105 Fronts$85-95$ Big car take that figure x 2
Payout in Central Iowa 250-150 even a 500 to win show in 2008 and 40 dollars was a minimum for tow money with a high of 100$ to start the A main.
Complete turnkey cars with spares (competitive) run you 6,500.00
You can buy a turn key car trailer and all if you look for 4,500.00 and it is NOT junk.
Micro sprint nose wing 75$ top wingnew wing $275-300$. big car nose wing $100 top wing 550$
Wheels Micro fronts 150 rears 200 to 275 Big car wheels fronts 180 rears 440
I understand all 305 drivers don't run the latest and greatest equipment but also compare pay scales and opperating costs.
Also micro sprint driver have to travel a little, in 09 we are looking at 4 tracks (stock car facilitys) within a 2 hour radius of Knoxville, Iowa.
Real SPRINT CAR racing ONLY AT A FRACTION of the cost!
For more information on our micro sprint Iowa based Micro sprint series visit us at http://www.miniakotamicrosprints.com
There are many 305 variations in rules, but this is some SMALL info of what it takes in central Iowa.
A 305 compared to a 360 and 410 is cheap full size sprint car racing.
But even replacing wrecked cars, Micros heims and radius rods cost less along with spindels and front ends.
That and we are basicly racing for the same amount of pay. Not favoring one over the other however I can't afford to compete at the level I want to in a 305 like I currently am in a 600cc micro sprint.
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Great man! Race mini sprints then! Sounds like ya have it all together! 
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Thanks... Nothing aginst a 305... It is fun... And I am pretty familiar wit the cars.
Maybe in most cases what I am telling people is the extreme, but I thought in 2007 why not promote these micro sprints the same as you would a full size car.
These smaller yet potent sprint cars are turning heads and getting the respect they do deserve.
These cars will race on tracks as small as 1/8th mile to 3/8th mile.
The car is very versatile take the wing off or keep it on also. The cars sport on average 125hp to a 750lb. Weight ratio. The cars really get around and on a the 1/5th mile and larger tracks these cars really do come to life.
Both kinds of racing are relativly affordable in the aspect they are classified as a relatively affordable sprint car and most importantly both forms of racing 305 and 600cc are both very fun.
Dan Henning
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Or..........Consider another option. Run a 1000-1200cc Lightning Sprint. Some areas still call them mini-sprints. Cheaper to run than a 600 in the long run. Faster on tracks bigger than an "1/8th" mile. Keep in mind.....They are basically midgets with motorcycle motors. Winged and non-winged. Car weighs about 740 pounds and has around 200 hp. 13 inch wheels (midget) all around. Motor is in front of you.....Not a side winder like a 600. On 1/4 and small 3/8ths mile tracks they turn pretty close to the same lap times as a 360. They run the same speeds as a full midget in a nonwinged configuration on the same tracks. Low motor costs, low fuel costs, low tire bills and motor longevity out the butt. Couple this with really good lap times....what else do you want? Most guys have went to running the STOCK 1000cc motors right out of the bike. Cheap and dependable. Buy a motor for $1500-$1700.
I had a 360, a 410 and now have a 305. I still run the Lightning Sprint also because it's the most fun vs. expenses vs. speed. Full sprint guys don't like seeing Lightning sprints in the pits.
I respect the hell out of the 600 cars. To me.....They are best suited to small quarters but mainly 1/6th mile and 1/8th mile tracks. The 1200 cars can run up to 3/8 mile tracks and still put on a pretty good show. Hell, back east.....they run 1/2 miles.
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Posted By: KSquared Racing on March 23 2008 at 10:19:50 AM
I would have to agree on the economics. I would also like to see a 305 class here in or around the OK area, afterall this is the birthplace of the ASCS. They race them in Knoxville and in PA Posse country why not here? With oil prices the way they are and the ever rising cost of racing along with it the budget racer is going to be extinct.
I have a 600cc non wing with a Suzuki GSXR 600 one set of crankshaft bearings cost me $83.70 VS one set for a 305 (CLEVITE from Summit Racing) $23.95. Or blow a 600cc and new crankcases will run a guy 1600.00 VS a Stock 305 block at a fraction of that.
I would like to see some of us here in OK campaign for a 305 class.
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I have raced 305 also. Ok around Tulsa has a great Mini Sprint deal going on there.. Its funny how each area is different. Missouri around Lebanon and many places north have 305 ,,but there are not any Mini Sprints in that area.... Maybe its because there just isnt enough racers in each area to have both classes..
Ok seems to have more parents that have there kids racing. MO i think the parents race themselves. .But with the Chilli Bowl in Tulsa it gives a chance for National stardom that you dont have in MO...Its a great thing for OK
The 305 class is growing ,i have heard they have one in North Central Kansas also.
They ran 305 limits at Tulsa Faigrounds in the Supermods for years and it was a great class. Maybe you opened a can of worms here that is a good can of worms.. I myself would Love to go to Tulsa and race 305.
Maybe a new topic should be rasied on this forum why The Tulsa Speedway is not running anymore.
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I did meet the people from MOLS VERY VERY NICE people.
Although they where at Kemper for the 1200cc lightning sprints they where (the saving grace) that brought control and order to an out of control somewhat un organised Kemper event.
I just want to thank Missouri Outlaw Lightning Sprints for the hard work.
Don't think I wouldn't drive an outlaw Lighting Sprint MOLS guys and gals, a drive to Grain Valley is a little far south.
The first car I owned was a full size upright mini sprint and I had used your classifieds page on MOLS with good results. Thanks for getting on hear and glad to hear from you, thanks for all the hard work at Kemper.
Dan Henning
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Posted By: Midwest Race Fan on March 23 2008 at 09:04:44 PM
Posted By: slow_sprinter on March 23 2008 at 02:07:30 PM
Topic Name: Economics of 305 CID limited sprints vs. 600cc micro sprints
and then the next few posts will be about fuel costs, how they should take the wing off, who's posse, why people love or hate the WoO, some comment about how this is a racing board, Hillary, Obama, xxx race cars, pit pass prices, who will drive for Guy Forbrook.....the bitch list goes on and on....
Hey now, you forgot "Where are the Chessons?", "Anybody want to buy a helmet dryer?", and "I still have three tickets to the Mopar Million for sale."
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you forgot "where is waldo" Mark Kinser? wgaf this is 2009
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