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February 16, 2008 at
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For fast, Fast, FAST relief...
The Silver Crown solution in a dozen easy words:
Non-wing, wedge-shaped, Indy-roadster-like, big-block, East Coast Supermodifieds.
1. There are already 75 or more cars out there (mostly in Michigan, Ohio, New York, Pennsylvannia and southern Canada, though the International, West Coast and Mountain States clubs could easily modify their winged cars and add 40 or 50 more).
2. They go -real- fast (25% faster than Crowns at Irwindale with wings, probably 15-20% faster without).
3. They have sufficient down-force to run mile and mile-and-a-half tracks.
4. The engines stay together for weeks or even -months-.
5. They offer plenty of visible ad space.
6. And they sound f-ing -grrrrrrreat!-
http://www.oswegospeedway.com/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vel2DHATihY
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February 16, 2008 at
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Posted By: raj on February 16 2008 at 02:38:48 AM
For fast, Fast, FAST relief...
The Silver Crown solution in a dozen easy words:
Non-wing, wedge-shaped, Indy-roadster-like, big-block, East Coast Supermodifieds.
1. There are already 75 or more cars out there (mostly in Michigan, Ohio, New York, Pennsylvannia and southern Canada, though the International, West Coast and Mountain States clubs could easily modify their winged cars and add 40 or 50 more).
2. They go -real- fast (25% faster than Crowns at Irwindale with wings, probably 15-20% faster without).
3. They have sufficient down-force to run mile and mile-and-a-half tracks.
4. The engines stay together for weeks or even -months-.
5. They offer plenty of visible ad space.
6. And they sound f-ing -grrrrrrreat!-
http://www.oswegospeedway.com/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vel2DHATihY
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40-year Oswego director of racing Dick O'Brien and I will be at Manzanita Saturday night if you have questions. Or contact Dick through me at [email protected] or Davey Hamilton at [email protected] . Another relative expert on the matter of both Crowns and Supers would be Bentley Warren in Ipswich, Massachusettes at (978) 356-4725.
So, there.
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February 16, 2008 at
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As far as what to do with the new Silver Crown cars we have now I would be interested in one. We have another major snowstorm coming and it would be very useful for plowing my driveway.
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February 16, 2008 at
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I support all of the above statements.
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February 18, 2008 at
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Posted By: raj on February 16 2008 at 02:38:48 AM
For fast, Fast, FAST relief...
The Silver Crown solution in a dozen easy words:
Non-wing, wedge-shaped, Indy-roadster-like, big-block, East Coast Supermodifieds.
1. There are already 75 or more cars out there (mostly in Michigan, Ohio, New York, Pennsylvannia and southern Canada, though the International, West Coast and Mountain States clubs could easily modify their winged cars and add 40 or 50 more).
2. They go -real- fast (25% faster than Crowns at Irwindale with wings, probably 15-20% faster without).
3. They have sufficient down-force to run mile and mile-and-a-half tracks.
4. The engines stay together for weeks or even -months-.
5. They offer plenty of visible ad space.
6. And they sound f-ing -grrrrrrreat!-
http://www.oswegospeedway.com/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vel2DHATihY
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how in any way are big block East Coast Supermodifieds Indy-roadster-like? usac screwed up by deviating from the traditional car to begin with. silver crown is supposed to be a salute to the heritage of open wheel racing in this country by keeping alive the type of cars that helped to create motor racing in the united states. big front engined open wheeled inline upright cars. if they are not going to stay with that they may as well disband the series.
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February 18, 2008 at
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Reply to:
Posted By: raj on February 16 2008 at 02:38:48 AM
For fast, Fast, FAST relief...
The Silver Crown solution in a dozen easy words:
Non-wing, wedge-shaped, Indy-roadster-like, big-block, East Coast Supermodifieds.
1. There are already 75 or more cars out there (mostly in Michigan, Ohio, New York, Pennsylvannia and southern Canada, though the International, West Coast and Mountain States clubs could easily modify their winged cars and add 40 or 50 more).
2. They go -real- fast (25% faster than Crowns at Irwindale with wings, probably 15-20% faster without).
3. They have sufficient down-force to run mile and mile-and-a-half tracks.
4. The engines stay together for weeks or even -months-.
5. They offer plenty of visible ad space.
6. And they sound f-ing -grrrrrrreat!-
http://www.oswegospeedway.com/ and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vel2DHATihY
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Here is the correct answer, redesigned with crush zones of course:
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February 19, 2008 at
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February 19, 2008 at
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Posted By: sprntr on February 18 2008 at 08:37:54 PM
Here is the correct answer, redesigned with crush zones of course:
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Yes sir! But then this country likes to change things and then still be able to compare themselves to their history. Thus the idea of the pavement super is not that far off since most of these roadsters above went on to revolutionize the pavement supermodified. Therefore i think the modern day supermodified (offset engine just like these) is very close to where the Indy Car would be had they not gone rear engine to begin with.
I WOULD LIE, CHEAT AND STEAL TO GET A TICKET FOR AN INDY 500 FILLED WITH THE OLD ROADSTERS- they are my faves.
Silver Crown unto themselves? I think they should be Track-nosed multi-purpose dirt cars. Anything from the past that does not include the s***boxes they are shoving at us today. What we had before was fine even.
I did try to defend the new cars but since they haven't taken off like they were thought to, it's time to jump off the wagon.
I do think the old roadsters had enough room inside to have suitable crush zones without harming the aesthetics.
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February 19, 2008 at
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the silver crown series has been HISTORY several times over, each time a bigger joke than the previous...BRING ON THE SUPERS!
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
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February 19, 2008 at
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Posted By: team wright-one on February 18 2008 at 12:34:42 PM
how in any way are big block East Coast Supermodifieds Indy-roadster-like? usac screwed up by deviating from the traditional car to begin with. silver crown is supposed to be a salute to the heritage of open wheel racing in this country by keeping alive the type of cars that helped to create motor racing in the united states. big front engined open wheeled inline upright cars. if they are not going to stay with that they may as well disband the series.
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I like your idea too.
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February 19, 2008 at
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February 19, 2008 at
01:05:23 PM by BIGFISH
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Posted By: team wright-one on February 18 2008 at 12:34:42 PM
how in any way are big block East Coast Supermodifieds Indy-roadster-like? usac screwed up by deviating from the traditional car to begin with. silver crown is supposed to be a salute to the heritage of open wheel racing in this country by keeping alive the type of cars that helped to create motor racing in the united states. big front engined open wheeled inline upright cars. if they are not going to stay with that they may as well disband the series.
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You have that right, why would we want it to look like a super? That makes absolutely no sense at all. The problem is that it looked like some kind of puffed up wing sprouting thing, instead of a Champ Car. To have it look like a super misses the point entirely. Or a roadster for that matter, even though old Calhoun #98 is one of my favourites.
Kenny
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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February 19, 2008 at
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Posted By: brian26 on February 19 2008 at 09:27:59 AM
Yes sir! But then this country likes to change things and then still be able to compare themselves to their history. Thus the idea of the pavement super is not that far off since most of these roadsters above went on to revolutionize the pavement supermodified. Therefore i think the modern day supermodified (offset engine just like these) is very close to where the Indy Car would be had they not gone rear engine to begin with.
I WOULD LIE, CHEAT AND STEAL TO GET A TICKET FOR AN INDY 500 FILLED WITH THE OLD ROADSTERS- they are my faves.
Silver Crown unto themselves? I think they should be Track-nosed multi-purpose dirt cars. Anything from the past that does not include the s***boxes they are shoving at us today. What we had before was fine even.
I did try to defend the new cars but since they haven't taken off like they were thought to, it's time to jump off the wagon.
I do think the old roadsters had enough room inside to have suitable crush zones without harming the aesthetics.
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February 19, 2008 at
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Posted By: nodust on February 19 2008 at 01:08:18 PM
NOW HERE IS A CAR THAT i WOULD PAY TO WATCH
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The super mods at the Copper Classic would have been right up your ally. I think everyone enjoyed watching those guys run. One year a few of them were fast enough to have made the Indy car field.
Kenny
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February 19, 2008 at
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I like the "supers" idea but go easy on the aerodynamics, careful on too much offset and keep the motor in front. Allow the motor deal to be fairly open and normally asperiated. Keep the tires narrow enough so they can be overpowered. I'd bet you'd have 50 cars in a heartbeat for an well organized show with a nice purse spread throughout the field. An owner could have a good pieces for both dirt and pavement and still keep it at $100,000 if he was crafty. Those with smaller pockets could pick one or the other. 15 races for each surface with both seperate and combined titles. Come on USAC, lets race!!
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February 19, 2008 at
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Posted By: Offie on February 19 2008 at 01:45:12 PM
I like the "supers" idea but go easy on the aerodynamics, careful on too much offset and keep the motor in front. Allow the motor deal to be fairly open and normally asperiated. Keep the tires narrow enough so they can be overpowered. I'd bet you'd have 50 cars in a heartbeat for an well organized show with a nice purse spread throughout the field. An owner could have a good pieces for both dirt and pavement and still keep it at $100,000 if he was crafty. Those with smaller pockets could pick one or the other. 15 races for each surface with both seperate and combined titles. Come on USAC, lets race!!
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Exactly what i had in mind. I would be thrilled to see this.
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