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K_Kierce,

In regards to your thread ......I read alot of good stuff in your thread and it sounds like indeed there is confusion and frustration. Also becuase of the rules I agree that the reasons behind this race are a little suspicious . And I could go on and on about nit picky points and we could all argue for days and page after page about what should and shouldnt be allowed to make this race a success for the fans and the racers and the track and so on and so on. We could point at Nayler, Kazerian, or the bandits or the grinch or everything or anyone EXCEPT the real culprits of the problem

But the answer ,and this is in my humble opinion, (which happens to be the truth in this case) lies with the racers. This fragmentation of the nonwing sprintcar scene is only getting worse and the solutiuon is right in front of everyone but for some reason gets overlooked time and time again. The Racers ,meaning the owners and drivers, need to do more than show up and hope everything is going to go as they like becuase what they will get with that mentality is what somebody else wants or thinks they should get. Just get together and decide what it is you want to run as a group of sprintcars and vote on it .The majority rules with some nagotiating the details amongs each other and then give yourselves a name and then go talk to the tracks . I really think its simple it might go like this:

Example

Hello Mr Kazerian , My name is usac can biteme. I am here with a large group of sprintcars and Weve decided that We want to run 35 races this year and We decided that we want to run XXX motors. And We decided that We want this and We want that and to boot (with respect) we want a $20,000 purse . And in return we will give you and your fans "The greatest show on Dirt". We will deliver a vast number of cars with all the great and upcomming drivers and everybody in between. It will be great because You will have everyone or a high percentage of the racer -base and in general everyone will be happy.

And Mr K. with all due respect, If you do not like our terms and we fail to nagotiate a reasonable and satisfactory agreement, We as a unified group will not come and play in your yard. We will simply Go somewhere else or We as a group will hold out untill you see it Our way. Then after youve lost money instead of reaped it maybe we can play together again. Because We know and you know that the only fan base that buys tickets to sit in those stands is the sprintcar fanbase.

You see was that so hard?

Lets get together already , Its time

My Gosh how many times have I said exactly the same thing? of coarse I'm just A "bleacher Creature" so what the hell do I know

ROB

(In my best Don Kazerian Kazerian voice, which isn't very good because it sounds more like Donald Duck when I do it):

Hello there Usac Can Biteme. That's a strange middle name you have. How did you get it? Anyways, can you hold on for a few minutes? Thanks.

Beep-Beep-Beep-Beep-Beep-Beep-Beep-Beep-Beep-Beep (That was the sound of along distance call going thru).

Hello Emmitt. This is Don. How's it going? Yes I got the jar of Oklahoma dirt you sent me for X-Mas. Did you get the fruitcake I sent?

Anyways, about what we talked about earlier this year, can you have it in place by Feb 8-9? Good. Let's go ahead and do it. Thanks,. and we'll talk later.

Okay Usac Can Biteme, is there anything else we can do for you right now? I didn't think so.

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No matter where you go, there you are.

that dosn't sound like such a bad idea at least the rules would be consistant. as long as the 410s stay around I wouldn't care much what the 360 guys do just keep the 410s as the main show.

ROB

USCACANBITME,

I agree with you whole heartedly. BUT! there is only one time in all of my 25 years in this sport that I have witnessed the "racers" sticking together. Santa Maria 1998,.. IMCA sprintcars where raceing and one of the local California Dirt Car guys decided that he was gonna race with us after his main event (since there was only 18 sprint cars). The promotoer agreed to it. All of the drivers got together, discussed it, and decided that they could have an 18 car sprint car race or a 1 car jalopy race. We told the promoter of our decision and stood our ground. The fans chanted,.. LET HIM RUN, Let him run. we all suited up, buckled in and stayed in our pit. once it was opbvious that we where serious Mr. Fort told the california dirt car driver that he could NOT run with us.

The problem is OPINION! half the racers dont like USAC, half the drivers didnt like SCRA half the drivers dont like Naylor SO! any of the aforementioned organizations can take over and have the only game in town with a small car count at first, and as we KNOW all to well its only a matter of time untill everyone is playing again.

Trust me,.. I would love to see a group of owners and drivers get together, talk about whats best for our sport, establish a set of rules that is suitable for EVERYONE, and approach the promoters, and make it work.

Please let me know of the meeting time and place, as well as anything I can to help.

Meeting...when and where..I'll bring the doughnuts....SCRA has suspended activites..We could buy the rights to that once great organization,sigh a contract with Victorville Raceway as 1rst year home trackand maybe have 20 teams signed up by Jan. 1...let's git-r-done.talk is cheap!

yeah thats it lets all go to victorville and do doughnuts and try to run over the guy putin on the show

"that will go over great " why dont someone get a list of signatures and a list of what you would like take it to don k . and say look here this is what we think is fair can you work with us if you can we can tell usac to f off . and start our own group say we can call it ( P.S.R.A ) PERRIS SPRINTCAR RACING ASSOCIATION . why not he has his own stockcar shows . besides victorville has a worse curfew than perris and most people like night racing not being done by two or three in the afternoon and another thing no clay . that calls for a suck ass track maybe you should stick with what you got couse you never know how long you will have it . how long do you think perris is gonna be around with all the houses being built around it ?

Al.Boner

A.B.MOTORSPORTS

Interesting idea, but, I don't think it'd work. First off..you'd likely end up running Barona and/or Victorville. This is the same strategy used to wrestle control of sprintcar racing away from SCRA, only in reverse. As long as the promotors of Perris, Ventura, and Manzy stick together, they've got the owners and drivers over a barrel..Trying to build a schedule for a SoCal based sprintcar group without with those would be a long uphill climb. Another factor to making this difficult is that its likely there would be several teams who would break ranks and run Perris/Ventura/Manzy anyhow. I hope I am wrong, but, I think the time for the owners to stand strong and control their destiny passed with the death of the SCRA 410's.

Lets hope that some of the concerns teams have with the current group can be addressed before another "split" happens

As 360 owners/drivers we dont need another sanctioning body. All we need is for all of the sacntioning bodies to accept the same rules. We are VERY close right now. all we need to do is make all of the groups ASCS gasket OR ASCS heads. No cockpit adjustable components and 1500LBS with the driver.

Each track can run their own deal,... Naylor, Swindel, Perris,. etc etc wont have to give up anything. all they haveto do is agree! is that to much to ask??? the only issue remaining is mufflers but that will ALWAYS be an issue!

Cant we all just get along?

my God guys get your sh1t together and adopt some freakin common rules and your problem is cured as long as there are 4 or 5 different sets of rules how do you expact to get anything done. I'm sure the promotors would love to be able to put on a 360 show without all the infighting JMO

ROB

"the reasons behind this race are a little suspicious"

Indeed they are and if what they have in mind is what I'm thinking any hopes of owners/drivers having much to say about anything is gone for good in both the 360 and 410 divisions. I agree that when SCRA was abandoned by it's members and choose to race for a corporation that there was probably no going back. When ASCS takes over there will be a standard set of rules for everyone who wants to race all right and you will wonder why you don't just run a 410 for the amount of money you are spending for a carbon fibre air filter and the other stuff they allow in a series that was supposed to lower the cost for the "average" owner/driver.

I wish you guys out at Ventura all the luck in the world. My sprintcar friends over in California who go there regularly say nothing but good things about the show you guys put on..

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

HOW ABOUT THIS ONE  QUIT CRYING AND JUST

RACE

Dear Mr. Bite Me, as always, you have a pretty interesting post going on here, but just exactly where is "simply go somewhere else" ?

There you go, the best K.I.S.S. (hey, maybe that could be the name of the series) idea I have heard so far. For those who don't already know: K.I.S.S. is the acronym for, KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID.

I bet a particular office in Tulsa, Oklahoma gets a good laugh out of all these posts.

Hey Kevin ...

Keep trying buddy ... some people are listening ... you keep making sense and just maybe it will make a difference. I don't hold out a lot of hope with Perris seeing what they have done with the Modifieds, but just maybe it could be pulled off ... You have still only focused on the major issue and that is the car rules ... the next major step is to get the promoters to work on their schedules so no conflicts ... no conflicts means HUGE shows for all.

So keep it going Kevin

I can fix that.

Hey Kenny thanks for the kind words. There are people that snivel and whine and play politics in any group but by and large all the guys at Ventura are a great bunch. I can say that the safety crews are some of the best at Ventura. As they are at lots of tracks of course.The management takes care of us and Jim Naylor is the promotor of the year. Oh by the way, the checks are on time too!!!

The feeling I am getting is the 410's are on the decline across the boards. All the 360 guys need to do is rent a track, have some dashs and challenge races, put on a huge BBQ/kegger and have a chat about the unification of rules. Don't need ASCS telling anyone here what to do. Left Coast 360 rules.

I say toss the gasket out. Brain storm about the head issue. Come up with a decent tire plan and thats it. Then go racing with rules that the drivers/crews/owners/promotors have all agreed on. Your car will be legal at all the races then. Of course there is always a minority that do snivel and bitch and will go off with their own set of rules. See ya! There is a track in Tiajuana you can use!

The promoters are welcome (to buy the beer and tri tip) too. Have to work with them not against them.

The Colonel

How many teams around have 5-10 times the money in a hauler, than they do the race car? Not to mention a "Quad", or a "side-by-side". What happened to priority of the race car? How many of the haulers in the pits now cost more then a season of top tier USAC/CRA funding at more than $200,000? Unless you have your 1/2 ton pick-up and flat trailer ready to go, it's kind of pointless to argue about a couple of thousand dollars of cockpit adjustments and 50 or so horsepower. Let's see some honest opionions on this subject!

Imissascot,

The issue I have with the cockpit adjustable stuff that is legal for the Perris race is that if I where to go spent the $2,000 and buy it I would not be able use it again till next year IF Perris has another 360 race and IF they use the same rules next year, as it is not legal in any other 360 forum in the country.

The other issue I have with the whole deal is that the 360's are paying a higher entry fee then the 410's to run for less money. A few people have used words in this thread like whining, bitching, and crying. This is not my intent, My original post was,.. "someone please explain" Yet no has tried to explain how it makes sence to have a race with rules that do not fit any 360 group anywhere in the country.

I have e-mailed Perris Auto Speedway multiple times trying to get a purse structure from them and they have not answered my questions, makes the whole thing a bit more suspicious.

ps I miss ascot too

""Don't need ASCS telling anyone here what to do. Left Coast 360 rules.''

Growing up in AZ and California I feel the same and I was not that keen about them coming here but after loosing the traditional rivalry between USAC and CRA and SCRA, I was not all that surprised. Even though I like what USAC does in some cases, I just hate to see their name upstage ours. If you remember what it was like when USAC came to town, the excitment of us against them...never mind LOL

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.