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Kofoid on the last corner to win it

Huge crowd again.  Anyone know why Thorson left?

Watching him reel in timms was edge of seat last 6 or laps. Heck of a race.  Good job marks on the 9th.  Thorson was going to start 6th in heat probly had alot to do with it.  37 others dealt with the breeze.  

It wasn't the breeze.  Anyone saying otherwise, I have a bridge for sale.  He didn't have skin in the game with the points so once he qualified bad, no point in clawing your way to a 15th place finish and burning thousands in tires and fuel.  Also, had he qualified the same with the HL, he also would have had a bad spot in his heat, so the nonsense being spewed online about how qualifying is too heavily weighted with the Outlaws....they're almost exactly the same.  He would have still been in bad shape, but he'd have been chasing a championship.  

I don't blame him for dropping out, but people blaming the wind?  Come on.  

The wind died down by the time the Feature lined up.  It appears that there isn't going to be much crossover between series with the exception of a few big events.  It was a good race last night for those of us who put good racing above which series we are watching.  

Stan Meissner

All that fReeDoM just to turn tail and run when the going gets tough. Just a slave to the points grind, you hate to see it. 

Just watched the replay... wow!

I dunno. I think if you or I were in the same position, we'd probably have made the same decision. Looking at the results, unless you were Carson Macedo, you didn't have a real good night. The 6th place finishers in their heat races went to to the B-main. One(Park) finished 15th in the B. The 3 others finished 4th(Macedo), 22nd (Hahn), and 23rd(Crawley) in the A. If Thorson had stuck around, he probably would have gone home with $1200, having spent a lot more than that to be there- if nothing went wrong.

I don't blame Thorson at all if thought it was going to hurt him financially.  That was a really stout field that night

Looked like nice crowd. WOO is paying same as HL $12k unless special event so $1200 start not enough without the commitment money. Qualifying and draw are a big factor Carson the exception as He is an excellent passer but when you get closer to the front thats where it gets tougher. Hoping Timms could get one as He looked good and was a great finish. As long as there are at least 24 cars still makes a good show as B main and dash fill the time slot. C mains usually dont add much. With HL taking a little break we will see who wans to race.Right now Gravel seems to be the most consistent. Buddy and Carson right there and Thorsen has looked good. Rico will be in picture just a little off.

I'm going to throw something out there as just food for thought regarding the $1,200.00 start money.....

But first i'm goping to preface it with -having been part of a team that occasionally made the decision to start and park and cut your losses mentality i can assure you many emotions occur during this decision.....my emotions were from a perspective of NOT PAYING any of the bills.....knowing the person that was paying the bills very well - i can assure you he never made any money owning a sprint car team in Central Pa.

Now the $1,200 to start money.....many seem to be settling on the 5-$6,000 to drop the trailer door for the top teams...not sure what the payout is but unless you have a shot at running top three financially it makes sense to pack it up for the night...seems to me a very slippery slope...............hindsight being 20-20 the 88 team in the future MAY decide to no longer tow to a track in a similar circumstance.

I don't understand why even show up if 2 laps was going to determine if you stay or scratch. Seems weak to me. If the 2 crew of gravel and jacobs show up to a high limit my thoughts are the race it out, not go home. 

I don't think anyone has an issue with Thorson scratching. It's that everyone knows if Gravel showed up at a HL race, had a shitty time trial and loaded up, the High Limit/Nascar fanboys would be talking about it for weeks. Memes would be created, etc..

I don't see a problem with Thorson scratching for the night, if anyone seen the J Elliott interview with the owner  knows that Thorson is in charge and makes the decisions. It's all dollars and sense I'm sure they paid all the entry fees so after that they can do whatever they want it's their decision. Nobody cares when a team loads up after breaking a rear so who cares. Remember freedom to race or not to race.

This!  I don't care either.  I think you nailed it on the head.  

Did any of the greats of the sport ever show up, time bad, then load up and go home because they would have to race their way in? Not that I ever remember. 

To be fair, I'd assume you're talking about guys like Sammy or Steve?  If so, no, they wouldn't have to.  They were so superior to the rest of the field, qualifying wasn't really a big deal which is why inverts also worked just fine.  While I'm not a big fan of Tanner loading up, and was looking forward to him running the race, I don't blame him.  From where he would have started his heat, he was looking realistically at a top-10 or 15 if everything went well--and that don't pay the bills when running for the competing series.  

With these cars being so close, it's necessary to heavily weight the qualifying times.  And if you don't unload the car fast, and run a good qualifying lap, the rest of your night is a tough hill to climb----for either series.  

Sammy showed up for Dirt Cup one year, had a bad qualy and heat on Thursday, scratched for the rest of the weekend.

Per Tyler swank on the david gravel show a year or two ago, it was around 9 thousand to drop the door on the woo level in the 2009- 2010 time frame and it would be 10- 11 presently.

Thanks....whether that exact number or something relatively close it seems to be a financial loss on most nights when comparing purse and per race cost.  slippery slope if top teams start making more similar decisions in the future.

i too believe gravel would still be being roasted if he packed it up.  

This number might be good when calculating the cost per show when these teams figure out their overall budget, but this is not what a team invests once the car is sitting on the ground in the pits.  Fuel, tires, and the average wear and tear on the motor do not come anywhere remotely close to $10-11 thousand dollars.  I think the number he threw out was a good number, but it's being used in the wrong context in this example.