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I've been asked why I hate the High Limit.   Some do hate the idea of the High Limit.  I do not.  I don't think Brad and Kyle are ruining sprint car racing.  I also think Rico's comments were correct----but not everyone hates the HL just because they support the Outlaws.  I don't think Brad, Kyle and the HL are idiots just because I support the Outlaws.    

I think the fans that are hoping for the HL to kill the Outlaws---are idiots.

I think the fans that hate the "greedy, and shady" World of Outlaws, but are embracing the HL, that is slowly, and will slowly be forced to incorporate the same "tactics"-----are idiots.  (I put tactics in quotes, because I call them smart business decisions, while idiots think they are tactics)

I think fans that call out the World of Outlaws for not taking care of their drivers (i.e. 4 race maximum non-sanctioned events) and then, in the same breath,  complain about preferential treatment for souvenir trailers, fantasy work area rules infractions, and provisionals-----are idiots.   

I think fans that are relieved that the HL schedule doesn't include as many races----as more races means more expense, more tire costs, more travel, more wear and tear, and more operating expenses-----while bashing the World of Outlaws for not allowing the teams to run more races, which are then miraculously labeled as opportunities for profit-----are idiots.  Either running more races means more opportunities for profit OR it means addtiional expense these teams cannot swallow.  Only one or the other.  You don't get to complain that an Outlaw team is not allowed to run this highly profitable event on an off weekend, and then praise the HL for a shorter schedule, thus saving teams money.  If you do this, you are an idiot.

I think fans that hate the "greed" of the Outlaws, are starting to hate the "greed" of Sweet and Larson, and will soon hate the greed of anyone associated with both series----are idiots.  I cannot believe the number of Outlaw haters still out there that think Brad and Kyle are doing this out of the kindness of their hearts to help out the little guy.  They're (rightfully so) doing this as a business, complete with investors, and the expectation of making money.  And hopefully, a lot of money.  If the HL and the Outlaws are able to make a LOT of money doing this, it's good for all of us!  Not bad.  If you think high profits, by either of these organizations, is bad-----you are an idiot.

If you think paying $20,000 to win races vs. $10,000 makes the biggest difference in putting these teams on the road---you're an idiot.  Bigger purses are great.  The overwhelming majority of sprint car teams, local, regional, or national, race WITH money, not FOR money.  The purses are nice, and they are sometimes a HUGE part of the driver's final "take."  But, these cars are put on the road by big sponsors, wealthy family, wealthy owners, wealthy donors, or, in the case of a few low budget teams, taking care of older equipment and making parts last.  But those low budget teams don't really care if the show went from $10,000 to win, to $20,000 to win----they'll never see it.  If you try to pencil out motor rebuilds, tires, fuel, crew costs, wings and misc. parts with purse money from a race---you're an idiot.

If you think becoming a "True Outlaw" would have been the most profitable way to go, prior to the HL series joining the conversation----you are an idiot.  Certain guys have the money behind them to do so, and certain guys (Brent Marks 2 years ago for example) had the finishes to back up that decision.  See the above----being a true outlaw works with money.  Being a true outlaw does not work in 2023, if you're racing for the money.  You must be racing with the money.   If you think you can pencil out a true outlaw schedule, for a driver with no big financial backing, you are an idiot.  

If you think purses should have already gone up, while somehow maintaining the gate costs from 1990----you are an idiot.  Everyone wants the higher purses the HL is advertising.  I've already seen some complaining about how these purses are going to be paif for.  I'm going to assume, if not in 2024, by 2025, gate prices are going to have to increase, right?  So, yes, it is great that the HL has "forced the Outlaws hand" to raise their game and not be so "greedy"-----as you say.  But how do you think this is getting paid for?  The fan has to pay to play.  If you think we can make a living for more and more sprint car drivers across the country, but think it shouldn't cost more to see this happen----you are an idiot.  

I will attend both HL and Outlaw races with NO issues with either organization.  I think both have a solid model going forward, though I do think the HL will end up having to do more to "control"----as many of you call it----their product by dangling carrots in front of their teams to get them to their events.  I would also not rule out signed contracts, and limitations for drivers of non-sanctioned events down the road.  Some of these control ideas, have been call greed in the past for those criticizing the WoO.  I think they will be good, sound decisions used to protect their investments.  So no, I don't hate the HL at all. Quite to contrary.  I hate the fan that hates the Outlaws for acting like a big-boy, professional business, and then love the HL like theyre a charity for the sprint car world and rural fans, when they are indeed, a big-boy, professional business, and we should expect the same ideas to come from them, as we have seen from the Outlaws.  I wish both series the best of luck and will follow both very closely!

Get out and support your local race track. While they still exist.

I've been asked why I hate the High Limit.   Some do hate the idea of the High Limit.  I do not.  I don't think Brad and Kyle are ruining sprint car racing.  I also think Rico's comments were correct----but not everyone hates the HL just because they support the Outlaws.  I don't think Brad, Kyle and the HL are idiots just because I support the Outlaws.    

I think the fans that are hoping for the HL to kill the Outlaws---are idiots.

I think the fans that hate the "greedy, and shady" World of Outlaws, but are embracing the HL, that is slowly, and will slowly be forced to incorporate the same "tactics"-----are idiots.  (I put tactics in quotes, because I call them smart business decisions, while idiots think they are tactics)

I think fans that call out the World of Outlaws for not taking care of their drivers (i.e. 4 race maximum non-sanctioned events) and then, in the same breath,  complain about preferential treatment for souvenir trailers, fantasy work area rules infractions, and provisionals-----are idiots.   

I think fans that are relieved that the HL schedule doesn't include as many races----as more races means more expense, more tire costs, more travel, more wear and tear, and more operating expenses-----while bashing the World of Outlaws for not allowing the teams to run more races, which are then miraculously labeled as opportunities for profit-----are idiots.  Either running more races means more opportunities for profit OR it means addtiional expense these teams cannot swallow.  Only one or the other.  You don't get to complain that an Outlaw team is not allowed to run this highly profitable event on an off weekend, and then praise the HL for a shorter schedule, thus saving teams money.  If you do this, you are an idiot.

I think fans that hate the "greed" of the Outlaws, are starting to hate the "greed" of Sweet and Larson, and will soon hate the greed of anyone associated with both series----are idiots.  I cannot believe the number of Outlaw haters still out there that think Brad and Kyle are doing this out of the kindness of their hearts to help out the little guy.  They're (rightfully so) doing this as a business, complete with investors, and the expectation of making money.  And hopefully, a lot of money.  If the HL and the Outlaws are able to make a LOT of money doing this, it's good for all of us!  Not bad.  If you think high profits, by either of these organizations, is bad-----you are an idiot.

If you think paying $20,000 to win races vs. $10,000 makes the biggest difference in putting these teams on the road---you're an idiot.  Bigger purses are great.  The overwhelming majority of sprint car teams, local, regional, or national, race WITH money, not FOR money.  The purses are nice, and they are sometimes a HUGE part of the driver's final "take."  But, these cars are put on the road by big sponsors, wealthy family, wealthy owners, wealthy donors, or, in the case of a few low budget teams, taking care of older equipment and making parts last.  But those low budget teams don't really care if the show went from $10,000 to win, to $20,000 to win----they'll never see it.  If you try to pencil out motor rebuilds, tires, fuel, crew costs, wings and misc. parts with purse money from a race---you're an idiot.

If you think becoming a "True Outlaw" would have been the most profitable way to go, prior to the HL series joining the conversation----you are an idiot.  Certain guys have the money behind them to do so, and certain guys (Brent Marks 2 years ago for example) had the finishes to back up that decision.  See the above----being a true outlaw works with money.  Being a true outlaw does not work in 2023, if you're racing for the money.  You must be racing with the money.   If you think you can pencil out a true outlaw schedule, for a driver with no big financial backing, you are an idiot.  

If you think purses should have already gone up, while somehow maintaining the gate costs from 1990----you are an idiot.  Everyone wants the higher purses the HL is advertising.  I've already seen some complaining about how these purses are going to be paif for.  I'm going to assume, if not in 2024, by 2025, gate prices are going to have to increase, right?  So, yes, it is great that the HL has "forced the Outlaws hand" to raise their game and not be so "greedy"-----as you say.  But how do you think this is getting paid for?  The fan has to pay to play.  If you think we can make a living for more and more sprint car drivers across the country, but think it shouldn't cost more to see this happen----you are an idiot.  

I will attend both HL and Outlaw races with NO issues with either organization.  I think both have a solid model going forward, though I do think the HL will end up having to do more to "control"----as many of you call it----their product by dangling carrots in front of their teams to get them to their events.  I would also not rule out signed contracts, and limitations for drivers of non-sanctioned events down the road.  Some of these control ideas, have been call greed in the past for those criticizing the WoO.  I think they will be good, sound decisions used to protect their investments.  So no, I don't hate the HL at all. Quite to contrary.  I hate the fan that hates the Outlaws for acting like a big-boy, professional business, and then love the HL like theyre a charity for the sprint car world and rural fans, when they are indeed, a big-boy, professional business, and we should expect the same ideas to come from them, as we have seen from the Outlaws.  I wish both series the best of luck and will follow both very closely!

Get out and support your local race track. While they still exist.

If your local track supports a weekly 410 show I am willing to make a trade.  You come to one of our local tracks that runs eight classes of stock cars and Modifieds and I'll support your weekly Sprint Car track.  

Bingo!   I know you don't live in Texas, but you just perfectly described dirt track racing in Texas.    

I've been asked why I hate the High Limit.   Some do hate the idea of the High Limit.  I do not.  I don't think Brad and Kyle are ruining sprint car racing.  I also think Rico's comments were correct----but not everyone hates the HL just because they support the Outlaws.  I don't think Brad, Kyle and the HL are idiots just because I support the Outlaws.    

I think the fans that are hoping for the HL to kill the Outlaws---are idiots.

I think the fans that hate the "greedy, and shady" World of Outlaws, but are embracing the HL, that is slowly, and will slowly be forced to incorporate the same "tactics"-----are idiots.  (I put tactics in quotes, because I call them smart business decisions, while idiots think they are tactics)

I think fans that call out the World of Outlaws for not taking care of their drivers (i.e. 4 race maximum non-sanctioned events) and then, in the same breath,  complain about preferential treatment for souvenir trailers, fantasy work area rules infractions, and provisionals-----are idiots.   

I think fans that are relieved that the HL schedule doesn't include as many races----as more races means more expense, more tire costs, more travel, more wear and tear, and more operating expenses-----while bashing the World of Outlaws for not allowing the teams to run more races, which are then miraculously labeled as opportunities for profit-----are idiots.  Either running more races means more opportunities for profit OR it means addtiional expense these teams cannot swallow.  Only one or the other.  You don't get to complain that an Outlaw team is not allowed to run this highly profitable event on an off weekend, and then praise the HL for a shorter schedule, thus saving teams money.  If you do this, you are an idiot.

I think fans that hate the "greed" of the Outlaws, are starting to hate the "greed" of Sweet and Larson, and will soon hate the greed of anyone associated with both series----are idiots.  I cannot believe the number of Outlaw haters still out there that think Brad and Kyle are doing this out of the kindness of their hearts to help out the little guy.  They're (rightfully so) doing this as a business, complete with investors, and the expectation of making money.  And hopefully, a lot of money.  If the HL and the Outlaws are able to make a LOT of money doing this, it's good for all of us!  Not bad.  If you think high profits, by either of these organizations, is bad-----you are an idiot.

If you think paying $20,000 to win races vs. $10,000 makes the biggest difference in putting these teams on the road---you're an idiot.  Bigger purses are great.  The overwhelming majority of sprint car teams, local, regional, or national, race WITH money, not FOR money.  The purses are nice, and they are sometimes a HUGE part of the driver's final "take."  But, these cars are put on the road by big sponsors, wealthy family, wealthy owners, wealthy donors, or, in the case of a few low budget teams, taking care of older equipment and making parts last.  But those low budget teams don't really care if the show went from $10,000 to win, to $20,000 to win----they'll never see it.  If you try to pencil out motor rebuilds, tires, fuel, crew costs, wings and misc. parts with purse money from a race---you're an idiot.

If you think becoming a "True Outlaw" would have been the most profitable way to go, prior to the HL series joining the conversation----you are an idiot.  Certain guys have the money behind them to do so, and certain guys (Brent Marks 2 years ago for example) had the finishes to back up that decision.  See the above----being a true outlaw works with money.  Being a true outlaw does not work in 2023, if you're racing for the money.  You must be racing with the money.   If you think you can pencil out a true outlaw schedule, for a driver with no big financial backing, you are an idiot.  

If you think purses should have already gone up, while somehow maintaining the gate costs from 1990----you are an idiot.  Everyone wants the higher purses the HL is advertising.  I've already seen some complaining about how these purses are going to be paif for.  I'm going to assume, if not in 2024, by 2025, gate prices are going to have to increase, right?  So, yes, it is great that the HL has "forced the Outlaws hand" to raise their game and not be so "greedy"-----as you say.  But how do you think this is getting paid for?  The fan has to pay to play.  If you think we can make a living for more and more sprint car drivers across the country, but think it shouldn't cost more to see this happen----you are an idiot.  

I will attend both HL and Outlaw races with NO issues with either organization.  I think both have a solid model going forward, though I do think the HL will end up having to do more to "control"----as many of you call it----their product by dangling carrots in front of their teams to get them to their events.  I would also not rule out signed contracts, and limitations for drivers of non-sanctioned events down the road.  Some of these control ideas, have been call greed in the past for those criticizing the WoO.  I think they will be good, sound decisions used to protect their investments.  So no, I don't hate the HL at all. Quite to contrary.  I hate the fan that hates the Outlaws for acting like a big-boy, professional business, and then love the HL like theyre a charity for the sprint car world and rural fans, when they are indeed, a big-boy, professional business, and we should expect the same ideas to come from them, as we have seen from the Outlaws.  I wish both series the best of luck and will follow both very closely!

I would rather stay home and watch Sprint Cars than do something I don't enjoy because someone on a message board says I should.  That isn't how life works.  We all do the things we enjoy and aren't obligated to watch fenders and mortifieds.

I would rather stay home and watch Sprint Cars than do something I don't enjoy because someone on a message board says I should.  That isn't how life works.  We all do the things we enjoy and aren't obligated to watch fenders and mortifieds.

I read that in Jeff Foxworthy's voice.  "If everyone that disagrees with you is an idiot...you..might be a redneck!".

I've been asked why I hate the High Limit.   Some do hate the idea of the High Limit.  I do not.  I don't think Brad and Kyle are ruining sprint car racing.  I also think Rico's comments were correct----but not everyone hates the HL just because they support the Outlaws.  I don't think Brad, Kyle and the HL are idiots just because I support the Outlaws.    

I think the fans that are hoping for the HL to kill the Outlaws---are idiots.

I think the fans that hate the "greedy, and shady" World of Outlaws, but are embracing the HL, that is slowly, and will slowly be forced to incorporate the same "tactics"-----are idiots.  (I put tactics in quotes, because I call them smart business decisions, while idiots think they are tactics)

I think fans that call out the World of Outlaws for not taking care of their drivers (i.e. 4 race maximum non-sanctioned events) and then, in the same breath,  complain about preferential treatment for souvenir trailers, fantasy work area rules infractions, and provisionals-----are idiots.   

I think fans that are relieved that the HL schedule doesn't include as many races----as more races means more expense, more tire costs, more travel, more wear and tear, and more operating expenses-----while bashing the World of Outlaws for not allowing the teams to run more races, which are then miraculously labeled as opportunities for profit-----are idiots.  Either running more races means more opportunities for profit OR it means addtiional expense these teams cannot swallow.  Only one or the other.  You don't get to complain that an Outlaw team is not allowed to run this highly profitable event on an off weekend, and then praise the HL for a shorter schedule, thus saving teams money.  If you do this, you are an idiot.

I think fans that hate the "greed" of the Outlaws, are starting to hate the "greed" of Sweet and Larson, and will soon hate the greed of anyone associated with both series----are idiots.  I cannot believe the number of Outlaw haters still out there that think Brad and Kyle are doing this out of the kindness of their hearts to help out the little guy.  They're (rightfully so) doing this as a business, complete with investors, and the expectation of making money.  And hopefully, a lot of money.  If the HL and the Outlaws are able to make a LOT of money doing this, it's good for all of us!  Not bad.  If you think high profits, by either of these organizations, is bad-----you are an idiot.

If you think paying $20,000 to win races vs. $10,000 makes the biggest difference in putting these teams on the road---you're an idiot.  Bigger purses are great.  The overwhelming majority of sprint car teams, local, regional, or national, race WITH money, not FOR money.  The purses are nice, and they are sometimes a HUGE part of the driver's final "take."  But, these cars are put on the road by big sponsors, wealthy family, wealthy owners, wealthy donors, or, in the case of a few low budget teams, taking care of older equipment and making parts last.  But those low budget teams don't really care if the show went from $10,000 to win, to $20,000 to win----they'll never see it.  If you try to pencil out motor rebuilds, tires, fuel, crew costs, wings and misc. parts with purse money from a race---you're an idiot.

If you think becoming a "True Outlaw" would have been the most profitable way to go, prior to the HL series joining the conversation----you are an idiot.  Certain guys have the money behind them to do so, and certain guys (Brent Marks 2 years ago for example) had the finishes to back up that decision.  See the above----being a true outlaw works with money.  Being a true outlaw does not work in 2023, if you're racing for the money.  You must be racing with the money.   If you think you can pencil out a true outlaw schedule, for a driver with no big financial backing, you are an idiot.  

If you think purses should have already gone up, while somehow maintaining the gate costs from 1990----you are an idiot.  Everyone wants the higher purses the HL is advertising.  I've already seen some complaining about how these purses are going to be paif for.  I'm going to assume, if not in 2024, by 2025, gate prices are going to have to increase, right?  So, yes, it is great that the HL has "forced the Outlaws hand" to raise their game and not be so "greedy"-----as you say.  But how do you think this is getting paid for?  The fan has to pay to play.  If you think we can make a living for more and more sprint car drivers across the country, but think it shouldn't cost more to see this happen----you are an idiot.  

I will attend both HL and Outlaw races with NO issues with either organization.  I think both have a solid model going forward, though I do think the HL will end up having to do more to "control"----as many of you call it----their product by dangling carrots in front of their teams to get them to their events.  I would also not rule out signed contracts, and limitations for drivers of non-sanctioned events down the road.  Some of these control ideas, have been call greed in the past for those criticizing the WoO.  I think they will be good, sound decisions used to protect their investments.  So no, I don't hate the HL at all. Quite to contrary.  I hate the fan that hates the Outlaws for acting like a big-boy, professional business, and then love the HL like theyre a charity for the sprint car world and rural fans, when they are indeed, a big-boy, professional business, and we should expect the same ideas to come from them, as we have seen from the Outlaws.  I wish both series the best of luck and will follow both very closely!

Mortifieds first time I heard that it was from a guy you might've heard of Roger Rager.

I knew Roger from when I was writing for a racing paper.  Long story but I listened to him hold court quite a few times during those year. One night we all went up to Ashland, Wisconsin, and it started storming so we rode it out in his hauler.  When ABC Raceway cancelled we all stopped in Iron River for burgers and beers.  That was a memorable night.

That's where I got the term Mortifieds from.  We were in the pits at St. Croix one time and he called them Mortifieds and said he wouldn't go near one without having his tetanus shot up-to-date.