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http://indianaopenwheel.com/vmessageboard/showthread.php?p=36413&posted=1#post36413

The above link has a video clip of the recent PRA race @ Florida.

Tracy Hines and Johnny Heydenreich get together and well, you will see what happens. A very scary situation for sure. Johnny is the one on fire. Tracy Hines is looking at Johnny but doesn't go to him. He is as fully protected as anyone. Seeing Johnny's head roll in the flames is quite hair raising.

Would you have tried to help in any way, or would you have taken the action Tracy did? I wonder what the other drivers think?

watching the video...what should Tracy have done? The fire crew was right on the spot with the proper equipment to put out the fire and help Johnny. He did the right thing by staying away...but apparently he's being crucified on that site for doing nothing...

Did you see the attitude there in Hines? Looked like he was well on his way over to Johnny's car to pick a fight but stopped when the flames erupted around Johnny's head. Pretty classless act on Hines part. Most drivers would have jumped out and ran to help the guy on fire -- i.e. Donny Schatz' fire. I think there were 2-3 drivers on the scene before the safety personnel arrived.

As much as I dislike Tracy, I would have to say that he did the right thing. Stay out of the way and let the pros take care of it. If there were no safety crew present, then yes, he should help. But it was well taken care of.

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Throw some gas on your driveway. Have 5 people in fire suits and helmets there. Light the gas then roll your face in it. Now let me ask you this....

Do you want some or all of the fire clad individulas to help?

Seems Hines could have ran over there, grabbed Johnny's feet and pulled his face out of the fire. If not, then at least he could of tried.

No effort = No class!

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Guess we will disagree on this one. In looking at that video, there isn't any formal training needed to "try" and pull Johnny from the fire. Yes the fire crew had the equipment, but to not even 'try' to help?

I didn't see the clip, and I'm not defending anyone's actions, but sometimes after a hard crash, it can take you a couple of minutes to gather your thoughts. It's pretty easy to judge from the stands, but when stuff happens in real time, it happens real quick.

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If the fire crew is there you would have no reason to help.

This is not the movie 'Mr. Deeds' where a volunteer small town fire fighter climbs a building to help. The Fire Crew was there. They are better prepared and you are in a half assed fire suit compaired to them. Yours is covered in Oil and Methanol fumes. The fire crew has new suits that are not and rated for about 30 seconds more than yours.

This is a dumb topic and that is coming from me even. I would sure as hell dive into a fire to save any driver if there was no one else around. However, if you have several fire members around them, you are just diving into a fire to become another victim for them to rescue. Why do you think Fire Fighters tell people to stay back at fires!!??

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From what I seen in the clip the guy that comes running from the right side is the one that pulled him back from the flames & unless he had some hi-tech something or other on he has no protection.

I see the point about letting pro's handle it, but it was obvious when Hines jumps out of his car head first that he was goin over there to pick a fight and then when he notices the driver on fire he just stands there unconcerned with his hands on his hips. Almost like he was disappointed the guy was on fire not because the driver's life was in danger, but because he didn't get to take his anger out on the guy. You can clearly see what Hines' intentions were..............classless indeed. Very classless.....If my memory serves me correctly Hines' still runs USAC's dirt series right? I'll be very glad to see my fellow Sooner Brady Bacon outdrive Hines' on the track if that is still the case!

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It looked to me that Hines himself my have been on fire when he bailed out...

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I agree Hawker, he took a header jumping out of the car while it was still rolling. Now I have seen some upset drivers getting out of their car to discuss an incident before, but not quite like Tracy did!

Judging character of other human beings on a racing message board......priceless!!!

Come on people.

Hines rolled down his own car and onto the track...granted he might have been p!ssed off about the crash, but the guys in the yellow suits are the fire experts.

what is troubling is the safety crew parked all the saftey vehicles right where the fuel would run down the track and set them on fire too!

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The link goes to a page that says "No thread specified" now so I'm guessing it's been removed?

But even without seeing it, I think it's absolutely asinine to make statements such as "his intentions were clear". If it's so easy to know exactly what somebody else's intentions are (from a video clip on the internet, no less), then I guess I'm safe in saying that your intentions in starting this thread were to carry a disagreement from one message board to the next to stir the pot and create ill will towards Hines.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq6NYS58Ihc

Try this link.

You go to site and then find Forum jump tab click on Indiana openwheel message board, then it's about 12 threads down to Crash video Lakeland FL. scroll to youtube

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Great points Jane! I would hate to have these people on my jury trial, they could tell my intentions just by looking at a seat I once sat in!

I must have seen a different video than some of the rest of you. My question is this. Was Tracy to get in front of the guys with the bottles to block them so he could help Johnny? He was on fire, the people that need to help are the fire crew. Tracy drives race cars they have been trained to help people on fire. Some of you people are amazing. I am sure that all of you have been in that exact situation and ran in without thought.

If my memory serves me correct many drivers have been burnt before helping other drivers get away from a fire and had not been covered to have medical payed by the track. Insurance companies would weasel out of it by adding in that the helpful driver went into the fire not as a track "official safety member" and therefore is not covered by insurance.

But yeah, if you can get there before the fire crew and are in the right spot at the right time like Schatz' crash, then go for it.

BRR, do you see that other car park his car at the bottom and the fire comes straight for him then he jumps from his car and the fire crew pulls it back? I think that guy learned to not park below a crash on the track. I think he was even on fire for a second.

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It appears to me he bailed out like he was on fire, that looks like a mad dash for some whoopa$$. It happend so quickly everything looked rushing, with him standing still looks decieving,

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