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No worse than what Port has in turn 1&2 and actually better in a lot of cases. Couple roles over tends to be better than an abrupt stop. 

The Grove has the unsafest backstretch in the country (world?) with that stupid bridge but Port needs to spend some money in the off-season fixing their walls. Neither would win awards for safety. 

What is there six or seven tiers of guardrail in one and two at Port Royal? That is worse than Two? My guess is insurance companies disagree. We can argue instances both ways but I am sure they stats on injuries rather than guesses and that is why the trend to higher railing.

The safety cheerleaders are out in force. Wonder how many of them ever drove a race car?

I generally agree with your takes on things but this is a strange hill for you to be on. Racing is still going to be cool and dangerous even if the tracks fix the obvious things, why not encourage that rather than sound like someone who ran without a cage in 1952?

Yep, every time there's a bad looking wreck anywhere it's always "look how unsafe this track is". I'm all for making tracks and cars as safe as possible and I'm sure all the tracks and drivers are as well. Lets let the people who have skin in the game handle any safety situations before making unfounded criticisms. The OP is so vague that we don't even know that safety is even part of the original topic.

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Because you wouldn't sound like true, dyed in the wool badass. Gotta earn that street cred, Hoss. (Puffs chest out, takes a final drag on a Marlboro Red, while downing a shot of Jack).

Agreed

The Grove ain't going anywhere soon Nancy. It will be a rich housing area years down the road if anything.  I appreciate safety when thought out properly, not knee jerk reaction stuff. I would like to hear driver feedback about safety than the clowns who never had "skin in the game" and likely never will. I wonder if the drivers like a wall that throws them back in traffic. Iv'e seen a ton of cars flip in turns 3 and 4 at the grove and the rolling and flipping dissipates the energy during the wreck. I'm more concerned about a car hitting a wall hard and then landing back into oncoming traffic. I recently remember the Grove's Twin 20's that everbody raved about, how soon we forget. Sure is a fickle bunch of race fans these days.

I agree 100 percent.  

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

Yeah, having a flipping car being thrown back into traffic.....that is real safe.  

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

So Inquiring Minds want to know what your post above meant? At first I thought you were pissed off that they didn't get the whole feature in? If that was the case, what more did you want them to do? I was there and commented that is was fastest moving show in the 30 plus years I have been attending races at The Grove. When my buddies and I left we felt we got our monies worth. Not much a track can do when Mother Nature doesn't cooperate.

Sorry that was meant as a reply to the orginal Poster.

And yet you claim that the track with the highest rail that I know of is the best in the world. Do you ever give any thought to what you have posted in the past when you just want to disagree with someone. I am sure you will  give a good explaination as why a high  rail at Knoxville is good and a high rail at Williams Grove would be bad.

Fences are typically for the safety of what surrounds the track and not what is on it. They're only protecting drivers in the few cases of  stopping cars from coming down on the top edge of the walls, extreme drops offs or other environmental things like bodies of water.

Its not the bridge it's the opening. Some fencing and gate problem solved. Laziness and incompetence is the reason. The downfall of humanity. 

This just in racing a sprintcar is very dangerous.  High rails or low rails.  That said, I go for the racing on the track.  That is why I love to go to Knoxville and Eldora.  The raciest tracks in America.

Where did I ever say anything about the high rails except in this post?  I never ever did.   

Go back and read my posts and what they were about hard, black, and dry conditions.  Get your fabricated stories right. 

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

i'm usually the first to give williams grove a hard time.  they did the best they could this weekend.  i still felt bad for the campers when i ran by yesterday since it wasn't even a good weekend to camp/tailgate.  at least they saw SOME racing this weekend.  it was very port royal-esque to move up the start time and actually show some urgency through a program.  hopefully they'll do that in the future where it seems like the fans are a priority.

why don't tracks come up with rain plans ahead of time?  it's not just a williams grove problem.  there was a nice build up to the high limits show last week, it rained, and then it's canceled without any date to reschedule.  seems like a lot of time, energy, and likely money being spent for something totally weather dependent.  i know there are other races competing, people have day jobs, and there are probably a lot of logistics to get part time employees on site like security and food stands.  it would be hard to justify traveling a distance to a race with the chance it's not going to happen at all...or not being able to make plans to stay an extra day or keep another day/weekend open just in case it rains.

I knew you could do it. As far as the danger, I saw guys hurt and killed both inside and outside the fence before you knew what sprint cars are. As I said I would guess Iinsurance companies have stats rather than opinions on which is best so there is no sence us argueing about it.

If I were a driver I wouldn't want to be stopped by a wall and thrown into traffic.....but that is me.  I would want to get as far away from the other cars as possible.  Yes, I have seen bad accidents both ways.  I have been there when they have taken someone to the hospital and they didn't make it.  I have also been there when they take someone to the hospital and they have a lot of time in rehab and are not right for the rest of there lives.  

The worst I had ever saw was the Jeff Sheppard accident at Knoxville and it had nothing to do with the wall.  He never even came close to the wall.  Cars kept plowing into his zemco # 1.  It happened right in front of me going into turn 1.  I am pretty sure that this happened in 2008....if my memory serves me correct.  Not that others weren't horrible....when you have cars keep hitting you that would have to be the worst.

 But as I said sprintcar racing is a very dangerous sport.  

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!