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May 20, 2021 at
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current streak of 19 straight Knoxville national A main starts 2,ND in WoO points, I'd go with Shane Stewart in the conversation for sure
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Posted By: Nick14 on May 20 2021 at 02:52:04 PM
I would go with Joey and Jac as well.
Going with people that have won one but not the other:
Jason Meyers and Daryn Pittman both won Championships but not Nationals: Meyers had it almost in the bag one year had it not been for Walker not pulling in the pit area for some reason. Schatz go around him on the restart. Pittman was fast many years but could not pull off the winning formula.
Probably Wolfgang or maybe Allen as far as winning the Nationals but not a title.
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I NEVER defend Tyler Walker but people blaming him for Jason Meyers not winning the Nationals that year is COMPLETE bullshit and it gets real old. First of all if any driver tells you they would have not also caused a yellow in the same circumstance as Tyler did they are completely full of shit. In fact most of them, if they are at all honest, will tell you they would have done the same thing. Any driver with any opportunity to get back into a race will take it whatever it is. You also have to assume that something else couldn't have happened - barring that yellow - in the final laps of the race that would have also kept him from winning. The Nationals has a long history of denying a large number of drivers their chance at winning the finale. Just ask Sammy Swindell.
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May 20, 2021 at
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Fred Rahmer, Lance Dewease and Stevie Smith, Billy Pauch honorable mention. Of course I'm from PA and there's surely many, many others from around the country.
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May 20, 2021 at
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No WoO Title: Doug Wolfgang
No Knoxville Championship: Bobby Davis Jr.
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May 20, 2021 at
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No WoO Title: Doug Wolfgang
No Knoxville Championship: Bobby Davis Jr.
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May 21, 2021 at
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Posted By: beezr2002 on May 20 2021 at 11:15:29 AM
I'll throw Steve Smith in the mix. Seemed like he could win or be competitive when he traveled he just didn't travel like an outlaw that much. He has a ton of wins, who know what could have happened had he chosen the outlaw life.
Steve Smith Sr. was who I meant although Stevie fits the bill on this thread too.
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Please there is NO Steve Smith Sr. or Jr. Only father & son with a different middle name.
Stevie would be a great candidate for the topic as he did have a Nationals win in hand until an inadvertant red flag gave Karl 1 more chance to tighten up the car. His adjustment worked & unfortunetly Moonie's didn't.
Stevie won Grove open 3-4 times, Gold Cup & about every other major race in his career.
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May 21, 2021 at
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Posted By: threadkillllllller on May 20 2021 at 05:34:53 PM
I NEVER defend Tyler Walker but people blaming him for Jason Meyers not winning the Nationals that year is COMPLETE bullshit and it gets real old. First of all if any driver tells you they would have not also caused a yellow in the same circumstance as Tyler did they are completely full of shit. In fact most of them, if they are at all honest, will tell you they would have done the same thing. Any driver with any opportunity to get back into a race will take it whatever it is. You also have to assume that something else couldn't have happened - barring that yellow - in the final laps of the race that would have also kept him from winning. The Nationals has a long history of denying a large number of drivers their chance at winning the finale. Just ask Sammy Swindell.
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Walker wasn't getting back into that race and there are plenty of examples every year of drivers who have issues pulling in so not to have a direct impact on the finish. I remember Dominic Scelzi at a Nationals qualifing night being pissed at himself for not being able to get off the track. Walker was in no position to win and he was just being himself. And plenty of drivers who are honest would have pulled in. Granted yes, that was not the only reason Meyers lost the race but there is no way, if anyone is being honest, can say that if that yellow doesn't happen that Meyers does not win. Yes other things could have happened if it stays green but they didn't when it went back to green not a single incident happened with a bunched up field. If Walker pulls in like many other respectful drivers have done countless times, Meyers wins, period.
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May 21, 2021 at
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Posted By: Nick14 on May 21 2021 at 11:04:49 AM
Walker wasn't getting back into that race and there are plenty of examples every year of drivers who have issues pulling in so not to have a direct impact on the finish. I remember Dominic Scelzi at a Nationals qualifing night being pissed at himself for not being able to get off the track. Walker was in no position to win and he was just being himself. And plenty of drivers who are honest would have pulled in. Granted yes, that was not the only reason Meyers lost the race but there is no way, if anyone is being honest, can say that if that yellow doesn't happen that Meyers does not win. Yes other things could have happened if it stays green but they didn't when it went back to green not a single incident happened with a bunched up field. If Walker pulls in like many other respectful drivers have done countless times, Meyers wins, period.
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But he didn't and that is what history will show. If you keep going to races not expecting the unexpected you will be in for a good amount of disappointment. I would argue it's one of the biggest reasons to continue following the sport.
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May 21, 2021 at
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A real sprint car right there, kids! Mid-Rail, paint, letters blasted off
Threadkiller, if you're gonna be true to your user name, you can't mention T-Dub 
Not condoning his actions but he was fun to watch and put butts in the seats. A darn shame, really. He had the talent.
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May 22, 2021 at
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If we were talking about locals at Knoxville in recent history Brown historically in my time Mike Brooks and Randy Smith.
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on May 20 2021 at 06:04:50 PM
Fred Rahmer, Lance Dewease and Stevie Smith, Billy Pauch honorable mention. Of course I'm from PA and there's surely many, many others from around the country.
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+1
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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May 22, 2021 at
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Posted By: threadkillllllller on May 21 2021 at 11:25:52 AM
But he didn't and that is what history will show. If you keep going to races not expecting the unexpected you will be in for a good amount of disappointment. I would argue it's one of the biggest reasons to continue following the sport.
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Wasn't arguing what history would show, was just saying one of the individuals to win a title but not the Nationals but came close was Meyers. Specifically leading by a large margin and having an instance where 9/10 drivers who have class would pull in knowing their race was over but in that instance it didn't.
That seemed to offend you enough to change the topic of the whole thread to about the incident specially and not making a valid point. And people wonder why threads go off topic on here. I might add, the incident didn't or doesn't bother me or keep me awake, just an incident I remember while thinking of the topic.
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Posted By: sdhuntandfish on May 20 2021 at 09:47:43 AM
As far as the Nationals go, I'd say Terry McCarl.
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Terry has had some good runs and opportunities but never seemed to have the stomach to get it done Saturday night.
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Posted By: Nick14 on May 22 2021 at 09:36:09 AM
Wasn't arguing what history would show, was just saying one of the individuals to win a title but not the Nationals but came close was Meyers. Specifically leading by a large margin and having an instance where 9/10 drivers who have class would pull in knowing their race was over but in that instance it didn't.
That seemed to offend you enough to change the topic of the whole thread to about the incident specially and not making a valid point. And people wonder why threads go off topic on here. I might add, the incident didn't or doesn't bother me or keep me awake, just an incident I remember while thinking of the topic.
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Original question was who was the best who didn't win either one.
It got changed to the best who didn't win both quite a while back....
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Posted By: carol14 on May 20 2021 at 04:31:46 AM
Rick Ferkel.
He won Western World and Pacific Nationals The other races of the Big Three at the time. Many, many other big races but never Knoxville. I think top 3 in the World of Outlaws - but I'm not going to look that up in the records right now. I just know that Rick was not only a helluva racer (and he would never use that adjective) but would help his competitors - especially the young up and coming kids. Great racer and great person.
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This is the correct answer.
Rick was close to do both.
1976 at Knoxville, in one of the greatest races ever, Rick came from the back of the A (after going through the B) to challenge the leaders on 7 cylinders, only to break a rear end after passing Joe Saldana for 4th with about 10 laps to go. There was no doubt who was going to win that race. He was the fastest car on the track and was heading to the front before breaking.
1978 at Eldora - final World of Outlaws race - Rick was leading the points at the time. He broke something, Steve Kinser won the race, and the point title.
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Posted By: HardTopDave on May 20 2021 at 10:37:34 AM
Ron Shuman
.....won the Knoxville Nationals in 1979. He was inducted into the National Sprint Car Hall of Fame in 2003, 4 time CRA champion, and about a half dozen Western World Championships at the old Manzanita Speedway. But he never won a championship in WoO...
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That's a great pic!
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