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I never said the virus wasn't real. But we are almost in the 6th month of the "2 weeks to flatten the curve" bullshit. I do believe the government is now using it as a way of controlling the people to see how much they can push. If 6 feet apart works then why are we still wearing masks? If masks work then why are we still staying 6 feet apart? Just a reminder; the flu has been around for many years and has a vaccine, but it still kills 45K-75K each year. But we don't panic about that anymore, do we? 

One would think that younger fans would read the comments by those of us considered higher risk and have some empathy for our situation.  I have been attending races for sixty years so my only desire is to feel feel like I could attend safely.  The message to us older ones is pretty much "fuck you old man, it sucks to be you".  

Professional sports (including Nascar) live in the media.

Dirt track racing for the most part does not.

There are plenty of baseball, football and Nascar fans that would be in the stands if the organizations had enough of a spine to open the stands.

While Covid 19 in and of itself isn't a "hoax" the media's overblown reaction to it and constantly stirring up public fear most certainly is.   

"When the dust clears", you may already be dust even though you likely won't die from Covid 19.   This isn't going to go away until an effective vaccine is created or we reach herd immunity through natural infection.   FYI, the next effective vaccine for a Coronavirus, which Covid is one of many Coronaviruses that humans get, will be the FIRST. 

IMO, living in constant fear isn't living at all.    There is a long long list of things I'm more likely to die from and I don't live in constant fear of those either.

Great post! I agree 100%. It's sad that a nation that once stood together and really had to sacrifice to fight facism, can't come together to stop a pandemic. IMO that's because it was politicized by the conspiracy theorists from the get-go and unfortunately those nuts are becoming more influential and mainstream thanks to fauxnews, social media and youtube. Doing what you can to contain the spread of a virus isn't living in fear, it's common sense and common courtesy for others. Unfortunately a lot of people in this country don't have either nowadays. It's a damn good thing this virus isn't more deadly(of course we don't know the long term effects) or we would really be in trouble. Even so, it's ~20 times more dealdy then the worst flu seasons so it's nothing to sneeze at. The shutdown did slow it down but it wasn't more effective because less than 30% of businesses were shutdown. Everything else was deemed essential even if it wasn't really, and most places opened up too soon with little or no restrictions. If we had taken action sooner and had taken it as seriously as other nations, I believe we would be back to normal by now, at least for the most part. As it is, we are stuck until an effective vaccine is available. Just found out that several people at work now have it, just wonderful.

Seems like a mostly reasonable solution. I appreciate constructive comments that offer solutions like this one. I do feel however your beef here would be more with the tracks and not the fans. Let's face it, it's human nature to defy leadership or being controlled. Also "science" is too objective nowadays in their studys. Everyone has an agenda one way or another. Not saying the Rona Is a huge threat nor non existent but rather likely somewhere in the middle where it is no worse than usual sicknesses that develop every so often. Just my take.

"Also "science" is too objective nowadays in their studys."????

You don't want it to be objective? You prefer wild guesses?

These people have spent their lives studying epidemics. What is your opinion based on?

Sorry the correct word would have been "subjective". Please excuse my poor grammar. Every study has a bias they are trying to prove. How many studies look at the same exact thing and get complete opposite results. Just saying to be cautious with reading these studies and believing they are 100% accurate. 

Sorry the correct word would have been "subjective". Please excuse my poor grammar. Every study has a bias they are trying to prove. How many studies look at the same exact thing and get complete opposite results. Just saying to be cautious with reading these studies and believing they are 100% accurate. 

I get what you are saying but I think there is a misunderstanding about what science does & is in our society and human beings either not being taught science properly or just not understanding it completely. I work with scientists everyday (work for a pharmaceutical/medical supply company where I am more on the planning side) who work on studies, drugs, equipment, diseases, etc. They have no bias and actually one of their biggest frustrations is people thinking what they say at 1 point in time is absolute and will never be changed. At one point a study could show result A and they report "at this time our results are abc"  to the people they report to, who tell shareholders and news outlets and then it gets reported that studies show that abc happens because of xyz.  Then the study continues and as more information becomes available or because of the timetable of how things react with each other the results change and can become more severe or less. They report that to who they need to report it to then all of a sudden humans here well now scientists feel that abc does not cause xyz but something else may cause it and that leaves people to think that well they don't know what they are talking about.

Or my personal favorite is when another group of scientists try to disprove the results of the first set of scientists gets reported as, another group of scientists feel that prior results may not be accurated based on findings. Its called a peer review which happens in every type of scientific method, testing, trial, etc and a lot of the time the opening results look like they could disprove the first group's results but as the experiement/study continues it could end up verifying the first groups or even further disproving them for a variety of reasons. The company I work for does this all the time to various studies to verify results and the opposite is done to us which we welcome. Accuracy is the main goal and a scientist is not going to scew results just to make their study look good because they will be figured out in the end. Plus if it has anything to do with health there are a ton of lawsuits that can happen & jail time if it gets out that it got scewed. You want studies looking at the same exact thing & testing it to see it is accurate.

A lot of people view a study being disproven as a scientists getting something wrong, or they screwed up, or they made an error in a calculation. Scientists do not get bent out of shape if something gets disproven or that they failed, it is part of the scientific process and tells them ok, now I need to consider this while conducting the next study/experiment. Basically they do not say that they are 100% accurate but the rest of society who sees them either says they are 100% correct or 100% wrong. What they are actually saying is, based on the information that we have NOW and what we are observing, this is what we can say that will keep you safe/healthy. Not this is what will keep you safe and healthy till the end of time. In another month, there will be more information and different results thats just the nature of it. The disheartening thing for me is seeing these people who are far more intelligent than any of us work on this stuff, make calculations, observe, experiement basically be belittled because they are smart or people feel like that they do not care about the common person. They do care about us, they are trying to find answers based on objective facts which takes time.

I am going to a race Saturday night. I am 65 so don't say I am a young punk telling anyone to hell with you. I have seen a few discribe thier life circumstances on here and if I were in their position I would not go to a race if everyone is wearing a mask and ten feet apart. I do think that they should stop bitching about people who do go. They should also consider if someone doesn't go and keep their tracks in business they might not have a track to go to when this issue is solved. The all PPV deal was not going to be a longtime solution without paying fans at the track. Some tracks and many businesses are not going to survive this.

Thats why science is constantly checking itself

I am going to a race Saturday night. I am 65 so don't say I am a young punk telling anyone to hell with you. I have seen a few discribe thier life circumstances on here and if I were in their position I would not go to a race if everyone is wearing a mask and ten feet apart. I do think that they should stop bitching about people who do go. They should also consider if someone doesn't go and keep their tracks in business they might not have a track to go to when this issue is solved. The all PPV deal was not going to be a longtime solution without paying fans at the track. Some tracks and many businesses are not going to survive this.

So 65 year old racing fans who are likely managing some health conditions as most in our age group do should all go to the races and support their local tracks?  If it kills me are they going to put that on my tombstone?  "Here lays a brave soul who threw caution to the wind and attended races during a global pandemic so that his local track could continue to turn a profit".  Great idea, you go first and let us know how that works out for you. 

On a more serious note businessmen aka race track owners go into business knowing that it's always a financial risk.  I don't think they expect their patrons to put their lives at risk in order to save their business.  If there is a track with an owner who has that attitude I want no part of it.  They probably run Stock Cars and Morfifieds so all the more reason to stay away.

 So far it has worked out OK. Been going for two months and have worked every day since it started. The only negative part of that is that many who don't worked have made more money than I have. Didn't say you or anyone else should do anything. The world has to move on. The most vulnerable should stay out of circulation as much as they can. I don't go out of my way to have close contact with those  with whom I have no reason to. Call me lucky if you want but I don't manage any health issues other than I know that I am not 25 anymore. My 43 year old son told me recently that the people in his Doctor's office looked at him like had two heads when he said he takes no prescription meds. I told him to tell them that his Mother nor Dad take any either and see what they say about that.

Sorry the correct word would have been "subjective". Please excuse my poor grammar. Every study has a bias they are trying to prove. How many studies look at the same exact thing and get complete opposite results. Just saying to be cautious with reading these studies and believing they are 100% accurate. 

 So far it has worked out OK. Been going for two months and have worked every day since it started. The only negative part of that is that many who don't worked have made more money than I have. Didn't say you or anyone else should do anything. The world has to move on. The most vulnerable should stay out of circulation as much as they can. I don't go out of my way to have close contact with those  with whom I have no reason to. Call me lucky if you want but I don't manage any health issues other than I know that I am not 25 anymore. My 43 year old son told me recently that the people in his Doctor's office looked at him like had two heads when he said he takes no prescription meds. I told him to tell them that his Mother nor Dad take any either and see what they say about that.