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I'm more convinced than ever he has a deal with Tony Stewart to put him back in NASCAR.... consistently running Allstar races rather than higher paying WoO

By the way, he's incredibly good..... duh!

That was my prediction as well, a week after the incident. Then the George Floyd deal hit, and that pretty much put a nail in the coffin of him getting back into Nascar anytime soon. Moving him back even next year, although debatedly unfair, would draw way too much scrutiny in this country at that point. There isnt a company in this country right now, that would have the capital to invest in sponsorship at that level, that would get anywhere near him in the current climate. My guess is 3-5 years as long as no other high profile racial incidents occur. I am sure Stewart would love it, but it would be business and marketing suicide at this point.

I'm more convinced than ever he has a deal with Tony Stewart to put him back in NASCAR.... consistently running Allstar races rather than higher paying WoO

By the way, he's incredibly good..... duh!

Just so I have this straight.  You don't watch NASCAR and don't plan on watching it?  Then you say he's always been a show in NASCAR and passes more cars than practically everyone else?  If you don't watch NASCAR how can you say that or even form that opinion?  If you don't watch NASCAR or have any desire to, why do you even talk about it?  Sorry not trying to be rude it's just a pet peeve of mine.

I wouldn't consider myself a diehard NASCAR fan but I do watch (even though a nap might interupt it)).  I'm sure I'll get roasted for this but Kyle Larson in NASCAR hasn't been that impressive to me.  He's definitely talented, I'm not saying he's not but lately it seems he's been built up into a god when he just wasn't that good in NASCAR.  From what I remember of his NASCAR career, I believe he started in 2014, I think it took him a few years to win a race, one year (2017 or 2018 maybe?) he was 2nd in points most of the year until the chase started he fizzled out, and since that year I'm not even sure he won a race? His biggest highlight since that year was Kyle Busch spinning him out after he ran into him to get by him that I know of.  Other than that, he's been a mid pack car.  That's just from memory and I certainly could've missed some stuff but it's not like I'm missing him being in NASCAR, I didn't see much of him before.  Now to be fair, his teammates haven't seemed to outperform him, other than Kurt Busch won a race last year, Matt Kenseth who is a NASCAR champion (though well past his prime) hasn't done any better than Larson, Chip Ganassi Racing has been mostly a mid pack team in it's existence other than a few good years here and there, Chevy has struggled since they started using the Camaro.  But for a guy that was compared to Jeff Gordon, he has fell well short of his accomplishments.  After Jeff Gordon ran 6 full time seasons he had won 3 championships and a ton of races and was considered to be one of the top 2 or 3 drivers of the series.  I realize it's more competitive now than it ever has been but drivers like Kyle Busch, Kevin Harvick and Brad Keselowski always seem to be competitive no matter how bad the rest of their team or car brand is performing, they seem to elevate everything.  I don't see that with Kyle Larson.  

Also don't get me wrong, there are tons of people (myself included) who would love to be a mid pack NASCAR driver, that's not a terrible thing.

I think he has an opportunity to SHR next year & would not put it out of the realm of possibility. I also think SHR could re-up Bowyer & Almorla for 1yr agreements for 2021, Larson runs eithe full time with the Outlaws or schedule like this year in 2021. Then the following year once everything calms down, adds a few more good deeds to his resume as he has done already, then in 2022 he goes to SHR. He is a racer and does like Nascar. Just seeing some of the posts he's made in the past wearing Jeff Gordon shirts to school, you can tell he had aspirations of racing in Nascar. I hope he makes it back and shows on a national stage that he is a good person & can have redemption

If he goes back to NASCAR I will miss him on the dirt, but will still not watch Nascar.

Kyle has always been a show in NASCAR and passes more cars in NASCAR then practically everyone else.

Here is my question, who thinks he has passed more cars in the past 2 months then he did the past 2 seasons in NASCAR?

If you count slide jobs that didn't count at the start / finish line it might be the past 3 seasons in NASCAR.

Tom D

Evans, Georgia

where was Kyle larson this weekend?

Just so I have this straight.  You don't watch NASCAR and don't plan on watching it?  Then you say he's always been a show in NASCAR and passes more cars than practically everyone else?  If you don't watch NASCAR how can you say that or even form that opinion?  If you don't watch NASCAR or have any desire to, why do you even talk about it?  Sorry not trying to be rude it's just a pet peeve of mine.

I wouldn't consider myself a diehard NASCAR fan but I do watch (even though a nap might interupt it)).  I'm sure I'll get roasted for this but Kyle Larson in NASCAR hasn't been that impressive to me.  He's definitely talented, I'm not saying he's not but lately it seems he's been built up into a god when he just wasn't that good in NASCAR.  From what I remember of his NASCAR career, I believe he started in 2014, I think it took him a few years to win a race, one year (2017 or 2018 maybe?) he was 2nd in points most of the year until the chase started he fizzled out, and since that year I'm not even sure he won a race? His biggest highlight since that year was Kyle Busch spinning him out after he ran into him to get by him that I know of.  Other than that, he's been a mid pack car.  That's just from memory and I certainly could've missed some stuff but it's not like I'm missing him being in NASCAR, I didn't see much of him before.  Now to be fair, his teammates haven't seemed to outperform him, other than Kurt Busch won a race last year, Matt Kenseth who is a NASCAR champion (though well past his prime) hasn't done any better than Larson, Chip Ganassi Racing has been mostly a mid pack team in it's existence other than a few good years here and there, Chevy has struggled since they started using the Camaro.  But for a guy that was compared to Jeff Gordon, he has fell well short of his accomplishments.  After Jeff Gordon ran 6 full time seasons he had won 3 championships and a ton of races and was considered to be one of the top 2 or 3 drivers of the series.  I realize it's more competitive now than it ever has been but drivers like Kyle Busch, Kevin Harvick and Brad Keselowski always seem to be competitive no matter how bad the rest of their team or car brand is performing, they seem to elevate everything.  I don't see that with Kyle Larson.  

Also don't get me wrong, there are tons of people (myself included) who would love to be a mid pack NASCAR driver, that's not a terrible thing.

That was my prediction as well, a week after the incident. Then the George Floyd deal hit, and that pretty much put a nail in the coffin of him getting back into Nascar anytime soon. Moving him back even next year, although debatedly unfair, would draw way too much scrutiny in this country at that point. There isnt a company in this country right now, that would have the capital to invest in sponsorship at that level, that would get anywhere near him in the current climate. My guess is 3-5 years as long as no other high profile racial incidents occur. I am sure Stewart would love it, but it would be business and marketing suicide at this point.

I'm more convinced than ever he has a deal with Tony Stewart to put him back in NASCAR.... consistently running Allstar races rather than higher paying WoO

By the way, he's incredibly good..... duh!

Nick , do you really think mr. Tony should take a chance with Larson?  I know I am for redemption and all.  And would Love to see him race  � in Any division of his choice.   As the remark he made during the sim game... is honestly considered a term of endearment between the members of certain groups.  In Fact... dark rap artists  have made Millions upon mIllinois singing it.  And certainly, No white person should buy-such  a song that features that word.  Thus,  protecting themselves and their children's future.    From the damage done by accidentally repeating it.  (Please do not comment upon the above remark ... as it is not to your advantage)

But all this being said ... about three days before  mr Larson made his online mistake... he was casting serious shade on mr. Tony ...and that was no accident.   Sometimes,  I think that I am the only one who saw it.  Because, no one mentions it.  And I will Not be repeating what I read.   Because, i was not in concurrence with the comment.  But ...It it was a slight against mr tony and that is for sure.  At the time I thought...  mr Larson Must not want to go to SHR.  Or ... maybe these two  raze each other regularly.  I do not know if they are friends... that do such.  

But, I do believe mr Larson should take advantage of his skill set and ethnic background and race internationally with a Japanese sponsor. The Japanese  have  ... despite heavy pressure...  on the International scene .... have maintained their own culture.    This course chosen despite their shockingly declining demographic  numbers.  Going years back ...They had steadfastly refused to take in large nUmbers of ethnics to fill in their real estate and corporate vacancies.  They literally  placed their culture over business. But nonetheless ...it is a culture aging out because of years of diminished births.   Perhaps...  Their corporations may be more inclined to support such a highly skilled  young man of similar origins to themselves.  Just a thought.

   Mr. Tony is a marvelous and gifted business person.  A very rare individual that sponsors just love.  And for good reasons.  But ... I am unsure that he should take such a personal risk for someone who

Might .... a thought just came to mind.  Mr. Tony already this year has picked up a person that i believe is their to network his contacts  for future sponsorship of their own.  And a few other things!  Oh my!! It is all so complicated.  He will need to be very... very smart and very careful indeed . The man does seem to always be to close to the fire �.  He must like it there.  Ok I guess...where there is � their is smoke �!!!

His stats aren't all that impressive when you compare them to some of the regular front runners. He was highly touted and I thought he would win more than he has but I also realized that he did race for Ganassi. For as good as that organization is in open wheel & other forms of racing, they are a mid pack/ 2nd tier team. I thought Larson was really primed in the upcoming years to really hit his stride. Had he signed with SHR or Hendrick or Penske, I think he would have ran better.

I was not a Juan Montoya fan, but there is no denying that he could drive a car. Larson basically outperformed his results in his rookie year & did far better than any other driver outside of Sterling Marlin a decade or so ago and 1 Jamie McMurray season. I guess I always graded him and other drivers not racing for those top 3-4 owners on a curve versus the Harvicks, Busch's, Hamlin's, etc. Also, I get he has won a title but I really don't think a driver like  Joey Lagano is more talented than Larson, just has had better opportunities in better equipment. For all the hype Lagano had coming in he really did nothing outside a rain shortened win, but had the opportunity to struggle for 4-5 years in Gibbs equipment then get into Penske equipment. Larson ran pretty well in not so top equipment.

His stats aren't all that impressive when you compare them to some of the regular front runners. He was highly touted and I thought he would win more than he has but I also realized that he did race for Ganassi. For as good as that organization is in open wheel & other forms of racing, they are a mid pack/ 2nd tier team. I thought Larson was really primed in the upcoming years to really hit his stride. Had he signed with SHR or Hendrick or Penske, I think he would have ran better.

I was not a Juan Montoya fan, but there is no denying that he could drive a car. Larson basically outperformed his results in his rookie year & did far better than any other driver outside of Sterling Marlin a decade or so ago and 1 Jamie McMurray season. I guess I always graded him and other drivers not racing for those top 3-4 owners on a curve versus the Harvicks, Busch's, Hamlin's, etc. Also, I get he has won a title but I really don't think a driver like  Joey Lagano is more talented than Larson, just has had better opportunities in better equipment. For all the hype Lagano had coming in he really did nothing outside a rain shortened win, but had the opportunity to struggle for 4-5 years in Gibbs equipment then get into Penske equipment. Larson ran pretty well in not so top equipment.

Larson is a big time ball buster and so is Tony. They have a good relationship so I think this is another example of people on here not being able to sense sarcasm. 

Nick , do you really think mr. Tony should take a chance with Larson?  I know I am for redemption and all.  And would Love to see him race  � in Any division of his choice.   As the remark he made during the sim game... is honestly considered a term of endearment between the members of certain groups.  In Fact... dark rap artists  have made Millions upon mIllinois singing it.  And certainly, No white person should buy-such  a song that features that word.  Thus,  protecting themselves and their children's future.    From the damage done by accidentally repeating it.  (Please do not comment upon the above remark ... as it is not to your advantage)

But all this being said ... about three days before  mr Larson made his online mistake... he was casting serious shade on mr. Tony ...and that was no accident.   Sometimes,  I think that I am the only one who saw it.  Because, no one mentions it.  And I will Not be repeating what I read.   Because, i was not in concurrence with the comment.  But ...It it was a slight against mr tony and that is for sure.  At the time I thought...  mr Larson Must not want to go to SHR.  Or ... maybe these two  raze each other regularly.  I do not know if they are friends... that do such.  

But, I do believe mr Larson should take advantage of his skill set and ethnic background and race internationally with a Japanese sponsor. The Japanese  have  ... despite heavy pressure...  on the International scene .... have maintained their own culture.    This course chosen despite their shockingly declining demographic  numbers.  Going years back ...They had steadfastly refused to take in large nUmbers of ethnics to fill in their real estate and corporate vacancies.  They literally  placed their culture over business. But nonetheless ...it is a culture aging out because of years of diminished births.   Perhaps...  Their corporations may be more inclined to support such a highly skilled  young man of similar origins to themselves.  Just a thought.

   Mr. Tony is a marvelous and gifted business person.  A very rare individual that sponsors just love.  And for good reasons.  But ... I am unsure that he should take such a personal risk for someone who

Might .... a thought just came to mind.  Mr. Tony already this year has picked up a person that i believe is their to network his contacts  for future sponsorship of their own.  And a few other things!  Oh my!! It is all so complicated.  He will need to be very... very smart and very careful indeed . The man does seem to always be to close to the fire �.  He must like it there.  Ok I guess...where there is � their is smoke �!!!

I agree Ganassi isn't top equipment right now.  I agree with you that Logano has performed much better with Penske but it seems more often that an up and coming driver moving to a power house team doesn't work out like most think it will.  I'm thinking of Kasey Kahne, Clint Bowyer, Dale Jr, Ryan Newman and others that I'm drawing a blank on now.  Maybe it would've worked out for Larson but there's no way to know.

That was my prediction as well, a week after the incident. Then the George Floyd deal hit, and that pretty much put a nail in the coffin of him getting back into Nascar anytime soon. Moving him back even next year, although debatedly unfair, would draw way too much scrutiny in this country at that point. There isnt a company in this country right now, that would have the capital to invest in sponsorship at that level, that would get anywhere near him in the current climate. My guess is 3-5 years as long as no other high profile racial incidents occur. I am sure Stewart would love it, but it would be business and marketing suicide at this point.

Ding ding ding ding----we have a winner.  Spot on.  There is a small chance he gets a ride in 2021--not impossible, just highly unlikely.  2022 is more likely.  3-5 years, as you said, is more like it.  Tony would hire him in a heartbeat if he didn't have to worry about pissing off that little group of people in his life called sponsors.  

I have Larson's odds at getting a competitive Nascar ride by the end of 2021 at 10%.  A "start-and-park" ride would be career suicide, so I don't see that happening.