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LMAO, hahahahaha.  I spit my coffee out, I laughed so hard. Thanks for the morning humor, I needed it.  By the way, I do love this country and the freedom our flag stands for.  So much so that for many years I woke in the morning and put on my United States Air Force BDU's and proudly served my great country. 

Can we stop with the narrative that other tracks are ratting each other out. Every track promoter in the area, at least the bigger ones, are rooting for each other. This includes conference calls with ideas, thoughts and working together during this pandemic.

If one gets off the ground, it's an opening for everybody to get off the ground.

With that being said, 80% of the tracks are locked into PPV contracts and the way they are put together, racing in the yellow phase is not really feasible as the amount of money that would be lost would be overwhelming, so no fans, no racing. This is a fact and not an opionion.

Tracks like Selinsgrove could not only do it, but thrive doing it. As it would essentially create a large event that their schedule may have been lacking and breath much needed fresh air into the racing world in central pa during this time. The tracks like Greenwood and such racing micros....what threat do they pose to a large track running sprint cars. Not only could they also be successful with fans, but they could do it without fans as the high car counts would provide a profit because of low payouts for weekly go-cart and micro racing.

People contionuing to spread this rumor that one track tattled on another and wanted so and so shut down truly have no clue. If williams grove had selinsgrove shut down...essentuially creating a bigger target on the sport for going against the grain of the governor, it would only further delay williams grove getting racing in the long term due to reprecautions of defying him...come on guys, think about it.

Well isn't this sweet. I could tolerate (barely) rev and strawser's back and forth, but this is out of hand. Spewing DNC talking points or is it parroting op-Ed from the NY Times or Washington Post. Calling the moderator...please let's get back to sprint car racing!

+1

these aren't dnc talking points.  i actually don't know what those are...other than shoving joe biden down our throat because they think they know who we should support.  

race tracks are going to stay closed and we're not going to make any progress until politics get put aside.  i know i'm stating the obvious but that's where we are.  notice i criticized the dnc up there.  i also think governor wolf should have allowed the selinsgrove race.  he has generally mismanaged sprint car racing in general since he let 3 races go off on the weekend this was really taking off.  i'm a democrat too.  can you believe it?  

gov. wolf is making the best decisions he can.  if you look at the pa curve there has been a nice peak with gradual trend down.  southern states that are reopening have been steadily going up.  we'll see what happens.  trump has made it clear it's up to the governors...after he said he had absolute power...so everybody is on their own to take the blame.  i'm sure he'll take the credit if it works out so he wins either way.  you can't deny what a great politician he is.

Thank you!

I'll be glad to stop when Strawsy Boy does

So Fox talking points are OK?

For every southern state you can show with increasing numbers (which may only be due to more testing which is something they dont share), I can show you one like florida or georgia that have curves that look exactly like Pennsylvania's yet their restrictions were and are nothing like our idiot imposed. I believe our governor is afraid if he opens things up and numbers continue to decline he will look like the idiot that he is so the safest thing to do is wait until numbers are way down an then TRY to take all the credit for such a brilliant plan.  

Literally the ONLY time I'll say ANYTHING positive about this poster, ever, but I agree 100%. I still don't care a lick for your racing comments, which are worthless, but this is spot on. 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Tell me this isn't prejudice against average everyday people. Snyder county selinsgrove Yellow for 2 weeks  and forced not to race by king wolf. Today the king says Monroe county (still red today) is ok for Nascar to race at Pocono. Only difference 3 working men run selinsgrove not big pockets Nascar tv sponsor corporate shitty racing.

Holes in your argument:  (not that I disagree with the premise of your argument---getting racing back going again)

1.  We are not in quarantine.  I know of not one single person being forced against their will, to stay in their house.  Everyone has the right to leave their house.  So, your quarantine definition means nothing because no one since the cruise ships and arrivals from overseas early in the breakout, has been quarantined.  If I'm wrong, give me an example of someone who is in quarantine.  I've been to work, boating, fishing, to the store, on walks--and I live in the most "strict" state in the Union.

2.  No to very few cases of flu this year?  I believe we were not on pace for as severe of a season as the 2018 season, but we were on pace for an above average flu season as far as deaths and hospitalizations go.  It died off pretty quickly because the flu spreads much the same as Covid.  So, pretty easy to see why it went away with the precautions.  Don't kid yourself, the numbers were pretty high this year.  

3.  "84,000 people died"   So far.  This number has gone from "only 10 people have died" to "only 100 people have died" to "only 1000 people have died" to 84,000 people---soon to be 100,000 and likely, before this is over, multiple 100,000 people. 

4.  Hospitals are being paid by the covid death.  The explaination I got from a hospital administrator is this is much the same as how they have dealt with the unemployed and failing corporations.  They ordered hospitals to stop elective procedures which is the money maker for most.  Also, if I'm not mistaken, much of the treatment for Covid-19 is not charged to the patient.  So, to make up for these major shortfalls of income--since these hospitals pay millions to doctors and nurses every week, was to compensate them for the amount of covid patients they treat.  Seems fair.  If this person told me wrong, someone in the medical field please correct me.   

5.  You list the recovery rate at 95-96%.  If this were true, I wouldn't leave the house.  A 4-5% death rate would be disastrous.   Thankfully, the recovery rate is well above 99% if the unconfirmed cases are factored in.  (and we won't know the true number of unconfirmed until this is all over)   Likely better than 99.5% actually.  99.9% for flu and it is a horrible season.  

I hope and pray we don't see a really bad bird flu ever start to spread globally------then we will see what actual quarantine is.  Our "lockdown" has been a picnic compared to the lockdowns in other countries.  But, we are entitled here.  That's why our lockdown will not be successful like it has been in other countries and this will continue to spread because we won't get it under control----anywhere. 

Our previous generations suffered terribly with disease and war.  This is not a good thing, but it pales in comparison to what people went through with smallpox, typhoid fever, polio, spanish flu, world war 1, world war 2, etc.  We could have squashed this thing in no time with a little discipline.  But, we don't have discipline in the US.  We have hatred for one another and conspiracy theories about the government our previous generations gave their lives to protect.  

You proved my point exactly.  This has divided the United States, not brought everyone together.  By the way I said he cares more about you than Trump would ever, not that he even cares about you. Maybe that helps your understanding.  He just wants you to fill his rally seats and line the streets of Allentown.  

We needed leadership and a plan from the start whether that was quarantine for short time and then open up. We definitely need to get back to work, I agree.  Again no plan.  He divided, flip flopped, called names just like you do.  Your favorite POTUS had opportunity to engage with his rivals (even shut them up) and bring everyone together.  If there was national plan, whether quarantine for time initially, and than open up you wouldn't be so frustrated.  POTUS doesn't want to take the responsibility like true leaders do.  One week it was stay at home, next "Liberate".  You had to hear that, it was on everynight.  His own staff was cringing and had him take a timeout.    

Its sounds like you think you know the answers to your questions above but unfortunately you don't.  Do a little research and please do not repeat just what you hear.  You fall way short on your points regarding suicide, flu numbers, death rate, "its all about the money " etc.  "Its all about the money" is absolutely classic.  Listen to yourself! That's fantastic!   The fact you say there is a 95 to 96 recovery rate just illustrates you have zero understanding of how this is different "invisible enemy" we are dealing with and can not compare to the flu.  Please do some simple reseach. 

Just never received clear plan from your Top Dog.  Just name calling, dividing, flip flopping.  The snowflakes are out and the snowflakes ended up being the people who made the name up themselves.  There is people now without jobs that can not even attend a race anymore.  Maybe with a plan there would have been less job loss, less death, less division,  let a lone attending a race sooner than later.  Maybe it wouldn't have worked perfectly but better than nothing.       

I would be interested to know if you know anyone who died of Coronavirus.  My kid's (3 boys) middle school principal died at 47 no pre-existing conditions.  Model of health (No BS). Thats one example.  Two others, 45 (policeman) and 30 (HS teacher) close to home (Again No BS).  I can guarantee you they would have survived the FLU.  Ask their families. I understand we need to get back even with these horrible deaths, but 0.0 real true leadership has been provided, hence where we are today.  By the way I am not even a Democratic.  We have known this guy to be shyster before he became President.  There was once upon a time people from PA would say Trump is a New Yorker, obnoxius, rip off con man. He is so great at saying what you want to hear which elevates his own power and self gratification.  Did you know he contributed to your favorite first lady (Hillary Clinton's) campaign fund in the past - thats a fact?  He even contributed to Kamala Harris 6 years ago.  Yes he really did!  He has said it himself.  

I have been extremely fortunate enough to attend many historic races and tracks multiple times outside of PA such as Eldora, Ventura, Winchester, Belleville (Midget Nationals), Chili Bowl, Terre Haute, Indy, Daytona, IRP, Bloomington, Lawrenceburg to name a few.  I have been even more fortunate to participate in these races and even stand in Victory Lane as part of the team or a friend's team during their absolute most biggest races (not as driver) there are in the US / World.   

Now with growing kids and their sports I can't go as much but I sure do look forward to going when I can.  I miss it all, the trip to the track, the smell, sound, food, people, etc.  However, I can wait a little longer if I have to.   

I also want my kids to live in a country and be able to look up to their POTUS.  How can I explain his behavior and leadership?  What he says and does is right on video.  I teach my kids about war hero's.  When they see people in military uniform they have learned to say "Thank you for your service".   Trump said "He is not a war hero"  about John McCain.  Then said "I like people who weren't captured".  This is on video. Guy who dodged the draft.  By the way I have been to John McCain's grave and with my kids!   Thats just one example.  We just have to stop looking the other way. 

Right now our POTUS was dead right when he said he could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and he wouldn't lose any voters.  Who say's that, oh wait.  He's gotcha good! 

"8 weeks after the fact"????
People are still dying

Yesterday a reporter from ABC27 posed the question to the governor why is Nascar allowed to race in yellow but under a previously ruling, race tracks were considered entertainment and not allowed to race in a county designated yellow. That is clearly a reference to the ruling about Selinsgrove. The governor's office release a statement yesterday saying the DOH is working with professional sports leagues to determine how and when professional sports may resume. They went on to say the state is still having ongoing discussions with professional and semiprofessional teams and industries including Nascar. When I read this, my first thought was the governor's office did not put dirt track racing in the professional or semiprofessional category. It isn't "important" or "professional" enough to operate in yellow unlike these other organizations. Maybe I'm wrong but it's how I took it. I believe someone needs to educate our good governor of the economic impact dirt racing has in our Commonwealth and how many people derive their income either fully or in part from racing. I bet it's far more than he would ever imagine. It's not simply about the tracks it is also about the teams. As I said in a prior post, these teams make money, spend money and pay taxes. They are a business and a much larger one than our governor realizes. No disrespect to any other division, but we aren't talking about hobby divisions. When asked about it in today's briefing, in typical politician fashion he talked for about a minute without actually saying anything substantive.  I believe a knee jerk decision was made about an industry he knows very little about.  

Biggest hole the the argument is the last sentence.

Great BS'er - yes

Great Salesman - yes

Great leader - no

As with all Dems, it's about big money.  You can bet your bottom dollar that the pressure is on from big corporations that are a part of Nascar.  Grease the ol' palms and you can race.  Alot of money goes into Nascar and he's feeling some pressure from somewhere.

Your use of the words two "open mind" actually got me laughing.   You are so typical of the narrow minded on both sides of the spectrum.  One side, everything is Trump's fault and on other side, nothing is his fault.  

I think Selinsgrove and other tracks should be reopened in Pa and elsewhere.  The drivers, crews, fans, ticket takers, concession workers, medics all can choose to go to the races or not. 

I want to go to sprint car races, I was looking forward to the Kings Royal, plus a bunch of other races this year. 

I rarely post anything, I asked the Lancaster newspaper a bunch of questions and of course they didn't post my questions that I would liked answered. 

Can somebody tell me why we have white blood cells?

Why did gas go from $2.00 a gallon up to $2.33 in one day if everyone is quarantined?

Why is there so much traffic on the roads?

Isn't being outside better for our health? Can you imagine the health problems we are creating for ourselves? 

Not sure about everybody else but this is taking a huge toll on my mental health from all this nonsense right now. I don't want to live life in fear, one day we are all going to die.

What is really happening in the hospitals right now?

I have a job that requires me to work 3 days a week if anyone questions why I am out traveling.

I am tired of hearing about this coronavirus all the time.

I guess my parents raised me wrong and I shouldn't pay attention and question things that I see every day.

In my honest opinion this whole quarantine thing is a JOKE!

You do not quarantine the healthy.

I love the sights, sound, smells, sprint cars and everything else that you experience being at the race track.

I MISS RACING!

Please don't bash me for this I just want to enjoy the time that I have on this planet and not live in fear.