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Jacksonville, Il. will be a good one

I'm really excited to see the Jackson/Knoxville double is back. That was super fun and successful last year. 

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It was unsanctioned before aka no sanction fee, now as an All Star race there is a pretty hefty (but well worth it) sanction fee. They probably took the sanction fee out of the race purse. Either way it being $25k didn't really do anything extra for the car count over what they will get for $20k.

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Jeff. 

XXXER what I meant is the fan support is much stronger at Selinsgrove Hagerstown has put a half hearted effort into the Speedweek show for awhile now and I beleive their is more to it with the new All Star guy being a former Port guy.

If Selinsgrove chose not to except another date it was a big mistake on their part as they will struggle to get 20 cars without the All Stars and probably drop the purse

Selinsgrove is a much better track than Hagerstown. Went there once, it was painfully slow & huggy bottom... never again!

I’ll just say that Wayne County absolutely deserves getting the 2nd speedweek race/finale. The new family running the place has turned it around and are doing an amazing job, always a racy surface and smooth run program. I know they want an Outlaws race bad but having 2 marquee all-star races along with 3 others is a heck of a schedule

No Selinsgrove. What a shame, that was a highly anticipated 10G to win show. 6 dates in NY now? Seriously? Talk about little car support. Half the field will be 360's. Needless to say the schedule sucks compared to previous years.

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You said most teams don't support Hagerstown so I assumed that's what you meant. Hagerstown has been pretty good for the past few years as far as their Speedweek shows are concerned and the crowd for this past years show was actually really good. In 2014, the track was actually a little too wet and a State Trooper clocked Mr. Hodnett at I believe 138 mph in the middle of the backstretch. When Hagerstown is right, they carry some insane speed. It sucks to see Selinsgrove off the schedule but at the same time, I'm all for mixing things up a bit instead of the same old thing year after year. Hopefully Selinsgrove makes it back on the schedule in the future. I hope the show at Hagerstown is a success and it likely will be as long as they don't lose the keys to the water truck like they did in the past.

I don't know about the other NY tracks but Middletown & Lebanon Valley are both boring, follow the leader tracks. Its a shame too, both  are nice facilities & fairly close to my Mom's  place

Lebanon Valley is a really pretty drive up Rt. 8 thru the "olde New England" part of Connecticut, woods , hills & lakes, but I pass more cars on the drive up than at all the heats & features there

Orange County was rumored to have a big sprint car race for the 100th anniversary of the track. 

Agree with you though, it’s a terrible track for just about anything. 

Lebanon Valley is much better for modifieds, they usually put on a good show, but agree again, the Valley sucks for sprints.

It will be our first visit to Hagerstown since 1983.  We hope to return to Selinsgrove in the future, the dates just didnt work for either of us in 2019.

Not going to Hagerstown and dealing with that joke of a parking lot.

What's the problem with their parking?   Not being a jerk, just curious.   I've been there 5 or 6 times and never had any issues.

Although you may be correct about car counts....the irony is that  Selinsgrove kept their Jim Nace Memorial a $10,000 race under All-star sanction....despit the 4-5 all-star teams traveling to Pa...and locals questioning why bother keeping the All-Star sanction for any show in PA....Selinsgrove honored a commitment and kept some loyalty.

Naturally/understanbly some can contend Selinsgrove was struggling and needed a sanction and could actually afford the All-Stars...and that is why they were loyal....

IMHO fact of the matter is: one of the very few tracks who stayed loyal to the all-stars with a $10,000.00 race when times were tough a track that stayed loyal to the new All-Star ownership is now off the schedule...

i am admittedly a Selinsgrove homer; metaphorically speaking:

• letting go of a race director who they wooed away from the WoO to go in a different direction.
• taking a sposor from a current race team as the All-Star title sponsor when the All-Star owner complained about the very same tactics used by the WoO.
• failure to recognize a huge wekend in PA with the Selinsgrove Jim Nace memorial paying $10,000.00 to win as a date that may be worthy of some loyalty.

...well sometimes for some discussions people get 3 strikes.

You people don't get it. They tried , but the dates didn't work out.

Here is what i get and are at least facts:

     * The Jim Nace Memorial is a marquee event paying $10,000.00.

     * This marquee event has been sanctioned by the All-Stars for many previous years.

     * This event has been run on the same weekend for years because at least for the months of September and October               Williamsgrove, Lincoln, Port and Selinsgrove respect one anothers schedule and rightfully so as these shows are the             "money makers" for these tracks.

     * Remember after the rainout the Tusky 50 got moved to a weekend that could work in respect of the other PA tracks and that was the end of october in conjunction with the WoO show - there truly were no other dates left.

     * This event is 35 miles east of Tusky 50 one week later - can't see the scheduling conflict there.

I'm incredibly disappointed in the All-Stars considering all the facts listed above.

Do we know it was the ASCOC who didn’t want to sanction the Nace anymore? Maybe the track had a say in it and decided it wasn’t worth the sanctioning fee anymore.  While I understand being disappointed, unless you have inside info we don’t know what the discussion actually was.

I'm only assuming the answer to your specific question from Blakes posts which are the 10th & 14th posts on the first page.  

Blake states, "dates just didn't line up for us at Selinsgrove...hopefully next year."

Blakes second post on this thread post 14 he specifically states Selinsgrove wanted to stay on their traditional date.

The All-Stars were at Selinsgrove in Sept 2017, and Sept 2018.  Im not sure 2 times is enough to call it a tradition.

In 2016 the All-Star raced there in April.

So the many years thing is actually not true then.

The other scheduling issue for September is that they were able to get two tracks in close relative distance to one another to schedule back to back nights on 9/21 and 9/22.

Who knows if there was anyone else in Central PA that was willing to have a sanctioned race on either 9/13 or 9/15.  If not, they would have made their drivers tow to PA on multiple (possibly 3) weekends in a row, with perhaps only one race on one of the weekends.

Instead, in between two long tows, they  booked a 2 night show at a track much closer to where the ASCOC center of geography is, for a bigger winner's share than the Selinsgrove race.  This is also a track which usually doesn't run Sprints, within a short distance of many of their teams, so there are only so many weekends the Sprints could be there.  Schedules are like jigsaw puzzles with imperfect pieces...they don't always work perfectly.

  I assume based on the previous posts that the Nace will still be on the 14th and it will probably still pay a good purse.  Good for the local guys. Unfortunately, the ASCOC won't be there...but there doesn't seem to be bad blood between the sanctioning body or the track.....so I am not sure why this is such a contentious issue.