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October 22, 2007 at
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The following changes will be made to the rules in both classes competing at Knoxville Raceway during the track's 55th season of racing in 2008.
Wings: All top wings that ran in 2007 will be legal until July 1, 2008. After July 1 the wings must have square center foils and side panels. Either dipped wings (2 1/2" max) and/or flat top wings will be legal for 2008. After July 1 side panels must be square with the top two corners set at 90 degrees with no variance. The maximum allowed turnout on all edges must not exceed 1 1/4".
In 2009 all top wings must be flat with square center foils and side panels. Note that for all World of Outlaws shows the top wing must conform to their regulations. No foils or rudders anywhere on the top wing.
The only cockpit adjustable device allowed in 2008 will be a wing slider for the purpose of moving the top wing forward and backward only.
Tires: For 2008 the 360 class will run on the ASCS right-rear Hoosier Racing Tire stamped Medium or Hard 105 X 16. The left-rear minimum tire will be the D 12. No rd 12s allowed. Other left rears from different manufacturers are allowed with prior approval.
For the 410 class the right rear will be the sc 15 Hoosier or harder. On three pre-selected nights we will run the sc 25 on the right rear. The left rear will be the D 12 or harder. No RD 12s allowed. Other left rears from different manufactures are allowed with prior approval.
2009 proprosed rules will include a maximum 2 5/8" injector size restriction for the 410 class.
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October 22, 2007 at
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paving the way for restrictor plate 410 racing?
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
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October 22, 2007 at
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2009 proprosed rules will include a maximum 2 5/8" injector size restriction for the 410 class... .
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 22, 2007 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 22 2007 at 07:49:33 PM
2009 proprosed rules will include a maximum 2 5/8" injector size restriction for the 410 class....
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Daddy-Daddy, please make them slow down, their going too
fast....
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October 22, 2007 at
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Posted By: new-parts on October 22 2007 at 07:58:40 PM
Daddy-Daddy, please make them slow down, their going too
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No, they only burn money too fast...lol. I've actually been wishing all year they go the other direction instead, and do away with the 410 limit altogether like the late models, but what do I know. I also wished they would have just went to a smaller open tire like them as well. At least they are doing something however. High revving five race motors is where it has headed. The bores have gotten so big Brodix even had to come up with a new block. Might as well be pissing in the wind if they try to do that with a 2 5/8 injection.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 22, 2007 at
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Daddy-Daddy, please make them slow down, their going too fast....
Yes, they're going AWAY too fast. Just over about 20-22 cars weekly at the "Sprint Car Capital Of The World".
If Pfizer had the chemists hoosier has working on tires, they would probably have a cure for cancer by now.
It would be neat to see them do away with wing sliders. It would make a guy have to figure out if he wants to be fast the first part of the race or the last half. He would have to "carry" the car for a little while. They're doing away with cockpit adjustable parts, but moving a wing back 2 or 3 inches does way more than any other device. JMO (falls on deaf ears)
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October 22, 2007 at
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mmmm am I mistaken, or didn't the Sprint Bandits also have a restrictor ?.... or was it just a Head Rule ??
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October 22, 2007 at
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October 22, 2007 at
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Well, the question is whether or not the rest of the country will adopt the injector size restriction by 2009. If not, what will happen? Be a lot of "politicking" over the next year, I would think.
Whar are the reasons for and against? Would this require an extra cost to local racers to follow the rule? Lots of questions...
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October 23, 2007 at
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Posted By: John Katich on October 22 2007 at 10:42:24 PM
Well, the question is whether or not the rest of the country will adopt the injector size restriction by 2009. If not, what will happen? Be a lot of "politicking" over the next year, I would think.
Whar are the reasons for and against? Would this require an extra cost to local racers to follow the rule? Lots of questions...
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No new cost John, other having to buy a set of sleeves (~$25). Is pretty much the Sprint Bandit rule. Will somewhat neutralize the latest greatest motor accessories and the big spenders paying for them however... Guaranteed to be a TON of whining on this one. Only thing that will help the situation out some is that there are so few high dollar 410 teams left in the country, all those waiting in the wings who want to move up might end up having the greater voice.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 23, 2007 at
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Let the big boys whine.
With the WoO keeping their head buried in the sand, Knoxville will continue to be around a lot longer than the "big boys" series.
Knoxville is DOING something to rebuild their dwindling 410 division while the WoO is hard at work......
......trying to get their hands on their race teams t-shirt money...CZ
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October 23, 2007 at
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When did Brodix come up with this new block? Guess I missed that one.
The proposed maximum bore size for next year and beyond is 4.165
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October 23, 2007 at
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Posted By: Wesmar on October 23 2007 at 08:05:26 AM
When did Brodix come up with this new block? Guess I missed that one.
The proposed maximum bore size for next year and beyond is 4.165
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The rumor mill around here had it that Brodix came up with a 1/2" longer block a few years back to accommodate the huge bore sizes guys were starting to run since the Outlaws banned Ott's billet block? Maybe I'm wrong? That's why they are capping the bore to 4.165, so you won't have to buy one to keep up? That's how they are starting to turn them 9500 rpm. I'm sure Mopar and Chevy also have something similar in the works as well for Kasey Kahne and Tony Stewart. Sounds like they won't be running them at Knoxville anyway... .
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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October 23, 2007 at
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October 23, 2007 at
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The Mopars already have something out and Chevrolet will to very shortly. They will be a 4.250 bore block. That is why the WoO is putting a cap on the bore size.
They need to do like Nascar and NHRA by putting a rev limiter on them
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October 23, 2007 at
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Posted By: gdude on October 22 2007 at 09:18:24 PM
Daddy-Daddy, please make them slow down, their going too fast....
Yes, they're going AWAY too fast. Just over about 20-22 cars weekly at the "Sprint Car Capital Of The World".
If Pfizer had the chemists hoosier has working on tires, they would probably have a cure for cancer by now.
It would be neat to see them do away with wing sliders. It would make a guy have to figure out if he wants to be fast the first part of the race or the last half. He would have to "carry" the car for a little while. They're doing away with cockpit adjustable parts, but moving a wing back 2 or 3 inches does way more than any other device. JMO (falls on deaf ears)
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Can somebody please explain to me why everybody wants to remove cockpit adjustments?
I keep hearing about how expensive the shocks are, but that's just a copout. When one shock replaces 20+, they are actually cheaper. And being rebuildable, you don't have to throw them out after crash damage. You just replace the actual damaged parts.
But, if you're gonna eliminate cockpit adjustments, I agree with gdude that you get rid of the wing sliders, too!!!
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October 23, 2007 at
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Midwest Race Fan,
You can still run the rebuildable/revalveable shocks, just no cables. Still the same cost savings for a team if they choose to run that kind (i.e. Penske), you just cannot mess with them from inside the car during the race. Shocks really are the most important thing on the cars right now.
P.S. The fastest sprint car driver on the planet has no cables.
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October 23, 2007 at
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Posted By: Midwest Race Fan on October 23 2007 at 11:55:12 AM
Can somebody please explain to me why everybody wants to remove cockpit adjustments?
I keep hearing about how expensive the shocks are, but that's just a copout. When one shock replaces 20+, they are actually cheaper. And being rebuildable, you don't have to throw them out after crash damage. You just replace the actual damaged parts.
But, if you're gonna eliminate cockpit adjustments, I agree with gdude that you get rid of the wing sliders, too!!!
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They are not banning adjustable shocks, just the cockpit cables. You can still run adjustable shocks, you just won't have the advantage of being able to change your valving during the race and on restarts over the guys who can only afford to run cheap shocks. Makes total sense to me, not to metion the sporting aspect of it having to guess the right setup BEFORE the race starts.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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Posted By: Wesmar on October 23 2007 at 09:59:04 AM
The Mopars already have something out and Chevrolet will to very shortly. They will be a 4.250 bore block. That is why the WoO is putting a cap on the bore size.
They need to do like Nascar and NHRA by putting a rev limiter on them
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With a 2 5/8" injection, not to mention 4.165 maximum bore, won't the RPM dilemma all but take care of itself? You would think you would have to run such a narrow power band (like NASCAR) with the cam to make it run at ultra high rpms, it wouldn't do much good at most small dirt tracks? Wishful thinking anyway...lol.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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Posted By: cubicdollars on October 23 2007 at 01:22:11 PM
They are not banning adjustable shocks, just the cockpit cables. You can still run adjustable shocks, you just won't have the advantage of being able to change your valving during the race and on restarts over the guys who can only afford to run cheap shocks. Makes total sense to me, not to metion the sporting aspect of it having to guess the right setup BEFORE the race starts.
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Just in case anybody doesn't know, the cable only costs $40.
So, it would appear that the reason for banning cockpit adjusters is NOT to save money, but rather to take away the ability to fine tune your car, correct? So, why leave the wing sliders?
And, are cockpit adjustments to the engine timing or fuel delivery included in the ban?
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October 23, 2007 at
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agreed , the cable is not a expensive item , those drivers that know (how and when) to adjust dampening or rebound to thier driving style on a changing track will just tune the car to thier likeing , I dont see this being a major advantage just a (minor)drivers taste thing , Sammy (I believe) was one of the first to utilize the cockpit adjusters , he wasnt fast because of his cables? he was Sammy! If unhooking the car and "slowing" down the outlaws or 410's for that matter are what the rule changes are ultimatly after I think the answer is in the tires, harder compound,or less width you will dramatically tighten up the field, on the flip, only for a short period of time , someone(a few) will figure it out, and be dominant again , If the rule changes are for field participation , then maybe its a step in the right direction, I just dont think the cables (and wing adjustments )are a troubled area ?I believe I have viered off the target of the topic and that was 410's in Knoxville, with that in mind , rules do have to adapt (or change ) to aid in car counts, as for the outlaws , I wish NASA would build motors , I think the enginuity is entertaining . JMO
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