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I'm using a ton of math behind the scenes to determine the rankings. If an All Star won a WoO race (Aaron Reutzel) and did not travel with the WoO, and that driver won a ton of All Star races, then that driver (because he or she is really talented) is going to be compared favorably to a WoO driver because when he ran with the WoO he beat all of the WoO drivers).

Here is a simple example of what happens: https://www.nationalsprintcarchampionship.com/p/what-is-national-sprint-car-championship.html

Beacuse of the way the math is determined, if Bill Balog won a WoO race at Beaver Dam and Wilmot and finished 5th at the Knoxville Nationals, his "KPI" would be very similar to Donny Schatz even though he didn't travel with the WoO ... because on the dates when he raced against Donny Schatz his average finish would be (1 + 1 + 5)/3 = 2.333, better than almost all of the WoO drivers.

A PA driver would race three times against the All Stars and three times against the WoO drivers and if she/he performed well, she/he could win the title in my framework, because in the six races she/he ran against the two touring series she/he outperformed those in the touring series.

The points help rank drivers ... and then I am comparing the relative strength of each driver against each other when they races together ... even if it is only 2-3 times for the whole year. As a result, you get a ranking. 

Notice that Chad Kemenah is currently third in the standings ... because of what he did in Florida, he gets a high ranking even though he does not travel with the WoO.

Thanks for the effort but it doesn't take a formula to know that Schatz is still the man everyone else is chasing in 2018.  

     There's too much apples and oranges to be comparing here that it's hard to make it seem like a fair comparison. Maybe what's needed is something like a super bowl of sprint car racing to decide who is the best racer? I could forsee having a big race to determine who is on top. Perhaps somewhere centrally located, like in southern Iowa?

I'm using a ton of math behind the scenes to determine the rankings. If an All Star won a WoO race (Aaron Reutzel) and did not travel with the WoO, and that driver won a ton of All Star races, then that driver (because he or she is really talented) is going to be compared favorably to a WoO driver because when he ran with the WoO he beat all of the WoO drivers).

Here is a simple example of what happens: https://www.nationalsprintcarchampionship.com/p/what-is-national-sprint-car-championship.html

Beacuse of the way the math is determined, if Bill Balog won a WoO race at Beaver Dam and Wilmot and finished 5th at the Knoxville Nationals, his "KPI" would be very similar to Donny Schatz even though he didn't travel with the WoO ... because on the dates when he raced against Donny Schatz his average finish would be (1 + 1 + 5)/3 = 2.333, better than almost all of the WoO drivers.

A PA driver would race three times against the All Stars and three times against the WoO drivers and if she/he performed well, she/he could win the title in my framework, because in the six races she/he ran against the two touring series she/he outperformed those in the touring series.

The points help rank drivers ... and then I am comparing the relative strength of each driver against each other when they races together ... even if it is only 2-3 times for the whole year. As a result, you get a ranking. 

Notice that Chad Kemenah is currently third in the standings ... because of what he did in Florida, he gets a high ranking even though he does not travel with the WoO.

https://www.nationalsprintcarchampionship.com/p/what-is-national-sprint-car-championship.html

Are you a mathematician? Retired Math teacher?

I'm too lazy to follow all that... but impressed

Statistician - 30 years.

That explains it all. I'm curious to see how it comes out at season's end

Have you done this before?

In your first example Kevin gets a 1st and 2nd and Nancy gets a 1st and DNS and if that were all the races in a season Nancy would be champion?????? Shouldn't Nancy get knocked down for only running 1 of 2 races? Looks like a guy like Lance DeWeese in a car that wins a bunch but does not race as often as most has the inside line on being your Champion.

This kind of trying to determine who is best among drivers who do not often compete head to head always makes me think of collage football rankings. Iowa beats Ohio State, Ohio State beats Michigan, Michigan beats Penn State then Penn State beats Iowa. Who is ranked highest?

That's why (to me) the NCAA basketball tourney is best. It is decided on the court. Win & advance lose & go home.

     That made me laugh. What's the plan if a sprint driver hops in a racer with fenders?

What tracks would you like to see included? I'll consider adding them ...

I have not seen this yet for 2018, but it was posted for 2017:

The following is the 2017 410 races that I have compiled. Compiled by Bill Vanselow

It should include all tracks that run 410 winged sprints on a regular basis, I do not know what the cutoff number is, but it looks like every track with over 14 races.

These are the 2017 numbers that I could find:

This kind of trying to determine who is best among drivers who do not often compete head to head always makes me think of collage football rankings. Iowa beats Ohio State, Ohio State beats Michigan, Michigan beats Penn State then Penn State beats Iowa. Who is ranked highest?

That's why (to me) the NCAA basketball tourney is best. It is decided on the court. Win & advance lose & go home.

Let me know what you think of this approach ... https://www.nationalsprintcarchampionship.com/ ... I won't get offended if you don't like it. I plan on updating the standings at least once a week. Think of the standings as a "College Basketball RPI" for 410 Winged Touring Sprint Car Series.

Thanks,

Kevin