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DakotaDude
March 01, 2018 at 07:06:05 AM
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sorry I can’t resist this. Approximately a month ago, after Sheldon Haudenschilds All Star win that that is where he belongs, insinuating he didn’t deserve the ride in the 17.  Well, only 4WoO races so far and he has his first two WoO wins of his young career, and he’s earned both of them. 

Couldnt be more impressed with how the Stenhouse-Marshall Ride has improved since last season.  Happy for Lil Haud proving he belongs on the tour like so many of us already knew. I’m sure there will be some bumps along the road, but sure cool they’re fast outta the box. 




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Posted By: DakotaDude on March 01 2018 at 07:06:05 AM

sorry I can’t resist this. Approximately a month ago, after Sheldon Haudenschilds All Star win that that is where he belongs, insinuating he didn’t deserve the ride in the 17.  Well, only 4WoO races so far and he has his first two WoO wins of his young career, and he’s earned both of them. 

Couldnt be more impressed with how the Stenhouse-Marshall Ride has improved since last season.  Happy for Lil Haud proving he belongs on the tour like so many of us already knew. I’m sure there will be some bumps along the road, but sure cool they’re fast outta the box. 



Its in his gene and also a fan favorite.Young drivers like Sheldon are what draws new fans.Im sure they have nice equiptment and Tyler knows how to make it go. His Dad is still a gasser at over 50+ and has always been exciting if he won or wrecked trying.. Schatz is just so consistent and fast he will be hard to dethrone.  The lure of NASCARs money and fame took Larsen ,Bell and Rico for a short time and those guys love dirt racing.



MandGRacing96
March 01, 2018 at 07:37:23 AM
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Posted By: Shortie12 on March 01 2018 at 07:32:31 AM

Its in his gene and also a fan favorite.Young drivers like Sheldon are what draws new fans.Im sure they have nice equiptment and Tyler knows how to make it go. His Dad is still a gasser at over 50+ and has always been exciting if he won or wrecked trying.. Schatz is just so consistent and fast he will be hard to dethrone.  The lure of NASCARs money and fame took Larsen ,Bell and Rico for a short time and those guys love dirt racing.



I seem to remember people bashing the mechanic too.  They seem to be clicking pretty good so far.  Schatz is so dang consistent itll be hard for anyone to beat them.




Murphy
March 01, 2018 at 07:47:02 AM
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      Am I seeing this right? So far for the 2018 WoO season, one guy has won 50% of the races, and another guy has won the other 50%? And one guy is named Schatz and other is named Haudensheild?



blazer00
March 01, 2018 at 10:06:33 AM
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Evidently dirtlover prefers to believe that only the "silver-spooners" that make it in racing have talent. I on the other hand believe the opposite.....the truly talented drivers get there without daddy's check book. And that is the toughest road to travel in racing today. Granted, being Jac's son has been a big help, and drawing sponsors and financial help with the family owned car made it possible. But Sheldon is doing this on talent. Anybody that can't see that isn't paying attention. It's pretty obvious that there is good chemistry with the #17 team right now. I don't expect them to maintain this winning pace, that 's asking too much, but I do believe they are a threat to get a good number of wins this season. Regardless of how things shake out as the season goes forward, Sheldon Haudenschild has the goods....and the "nads" to do well!



MandGRacing96
March 01, 2018 at 11:13:17 AM
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Posted By: blazer00 on March 01 2018 at 10:06:33 AM

Evidently dirtlover prefers to believe that only the "silver-spooners" that make it in racing have talent. I on the other hand believe the opposite.....the truly talented drivers get there without daddy's check book. And that is the toughest road to travel in racing today. Granted, being Jac's son has been a big help, and drawing sponsors and financial help with the family owned car made it possible. But Sheldon is doing this on talent. Anybody that can't see that isn't paying attention. It's pretty obvious that there is good chemistry with the #17 team right now. I don't expect them to maintain this winning pace, that 's asking too much, but I do believe they are a threat to get a good number of wins this season. Regardless of how things shake out as the season goes forward, Sheldon Haudenschild has the goods....and the "nads" to do well!



I agree to a point but its not Schatzs fault that his dad is loaded and supported him racing.  Years later Schatz is considered one of the best dirt sprint car drivers ever...regardless of being a silver spooner. 




revjimk
March 01, 2018 at 02:28:32 PM
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It takes talent to succeed, but $$$ can help get you started



blazer00
March 01, 2018 at 02:42:57 PM
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Posted By: MandGRacing96 on March 01 2018 at 11:13:17 AM

I agree to a point but its not Schatzs fault that his dad is loaded and supported him racing.  Years later Schatz is considered one of the best dirt sprint car drivers ever...regardless of being a silver spooner. 



I didn't say there weren't any silver-spooners with talent......but there sure has been a bunch of them come and go over the years because they couldn't cut it. On the other hand, those that made it on talent did stick around and have successful and lengthy careers. I wonder just how many of them there are that never get the chance......especially at young ages. Silver-spooners have the best from very early ages, they have a definate advantage when it comes to developing their skills. Even then, many of them don't make it because the money only takes them so far.



TMATT
March 01, 2018 at 02:52:13 PM
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Posted By: blazer00 on March 01 2018 at 10:06:33 AM

Evidently dirtlover prefers to believe that only the "silver-spooners" that make it in racing have talent. I on the other hand believe the opposite.....the truly talented drivers get there without daddy's check book. And that is the toughest road to travel in racing today. Granted, being Jac's son has been a big help, and drawing sponsors and financial help with the family owned car made it possible. But Sheldon is doing this on talent. Anybody that can't see that isn't paying attention. It's pretty obvious that there is good chemistry with the #17 team right now. I don't expect them to maintain this winning pace, that 's asking too much, but I do believe they are a threat to get a good number of wins this season. Regardless of how things shake out as the season goes forward, Sheldon Haudenschild has the goods....and the "nads" to do well!



"Silver Spooners" . "truly talented drivers" . Are you %#$@&% kidding me?

Clearly anyone posing someting like this has never raced a sprint car.  Do you really think that money gives you ability?  Give me a break.  If you are driving at the top end of any reacing series, you have talent.  You dont qualify for races because you have really nice equipment, you qualify because you can drive the car.  End of story.  Take sombody with money and put them in a sprint car with the best equipment and best team.  See what happens.  Nothing will happen unless that person has talent.  You are seing this right now.  There are a couple of drivers on tour.  they must have some money or they would not be out there.  The oly time they see an A Feature is if there are not enough cars for a B.  Money?  Yes?  Talent?  Well, maybe not yet, but I certainlyGive them props for trying. Then you have guys with talent.  Championship earning drivers that only make the A about half the time.  These guys at the top of the WoO tour are on a different planet when it come to talent.  Money or Not.  They are crazt talented.

 




blazer00
March 01, 2018 at 04:15:16 PM
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"Silver Spooners" . "truly talented drivers" . Are you %#$@&% kidding me?

Clearly anyone posing someting like this has never raced a sprint car.  Do you really think that money gives you ability?  Give me a break.  If you are driving at the top end of any reacing series, you have talent.  You dont qualify for races because you have really nice equipment, you qualify because you can drive the car.  End of story.  Take sombody with money and put them in a sprint car with the best equipment and best team.  See what happens.  Nothing will happen unless that person has talent.  You are seing this right now.  There are a couple of drivers on tour.  they must have some money or they would not be out there.  The oly time they see an A Feature is if there are not enough cars for a B.  Money?  Yes?  Talent?  Well, maybe not yet, but I certainlyGive them props for trying. Then you have guys with talent.  Championship earning drivers that only make the A about half the time.  These guys at the top of the WoO tour are on a different planet when it come to talent.  Money or Not.  They are crazt talented.

 



Not kidding at all! Separate a few of those guys from all the big money.....personal and sponsor and I say they flop. They're drivng slot cars and the very best of everything for cripes sake! The most talented one.....Schatz..... is dominating for a reason.....the rest can't outdrive him or out think him! Too often they bring wallets to rides to get rides. The majority of the elite drivers over the years made themselves drivers. They had what it took. That's not so much the case today....in most motorsports. The road to the upper divisions is paved with $$$$$$.



MSPN
March 02, 2018 at 09:32:36 AM
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Haud's pass in his heat where he went from third to first (passing Schatz) in one corner had to be the move of the year.  Went high in 3 and 4 and then immediately cut to the bottom and flew by the Donald and slid him to finalize it in turns 1 and 2, a veteran move if I ever saw one, kid is the real deal.....



blazer00
March 02, 2018 at 11:48:49 AM
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Posted By: MSPN on March 02 2018 at 09:32:36 AM

Haud's pass in his heat where he went from third to first (passing Schatz) in one corner had to be the move of the year.  Went high in 3 and 4 and then immediately cut to the bottom and flew by the Donald and slid him to finalize it in turns 1 and 2, a veteran move if I ever saw one, kid is the real deal.....



No doubt. But......he still looks a little ragged.....the car is "twitching" a lot, so they either need to tighten it up a bit or Sheldon needs to become a little smoother. Watching him when he gets off on his own the past couple nights it was obvious that his hands/elbows were doing a lot of moving with the wheel. It looked like the car was trying to get out from under him quite a bit. The car should be going straighter than it appeared to be. Loose is fast, but it can also be a handful, and risky. At least that's how I saw it.




m_cox22
March 02, 2018 at 12:07:21 PM
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Posted By: blazer00 on March 02 2018 at 11:48:49 AM

No doubt. But......he still looks a little ragged.....the car is "twitching" a lot, so they either need to tighten it up a bit or Sheldon needs to become a little smoother. Watching him when he gets off on his own the past couple nights it was obvious that his hands/elbows were doing a lot of moving with the wheel. It looked like the car was trying to get out from under him quite a bit. The car should be going straighter than it appeared to be. Loose is fast, but it can also be a handful, and risky. At least that's how I saw it.



I've noticed this to. I re-watched last nights feature focusing more on schatz to see how he looked. In my opinion they both looked very similar. It could be more of a reflection on the track condition over car setup or driving ability.

Just my 2 cents.



MSPN
March 02, 2018 at 01:03:06 PM
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Schatz looks smoother because he is and could toss young Sheldon like a lawn dart.  Sheldon is a flyweight, Donnie is in very good shape and a much bigger guy.  The car is faster than Sheldon right now but this will change eventually, can't remember a youngster coming in and looking like a veteran so fast, more props to Baby Haud, what a future....



Dlucks83
March 02, 2018 at 01:21:49 PM
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Posted By: m_cox22 on March 02 2018 at 12:07:21 PM

I've noticed this to. I re-watched last nights feature focusing more on schatz to see how he looked. In my opinion they both looked very similar. It could be more of a reflection on the track condition over car setup or driving ability.

Just my 2 cents.



Biggest difference between the two nights were Donny figuring out how to not trip up on the bottom just past halfways betwen turns 3 and 4. First night Donny hit the tire/burm/rut/slick spot multiple time including one of the restarts. Alternately, Sheldon gave away the second night by trying to run the bottom when his car was not set up for it. Probably didn’t help he didn’t get it right on the bottom and was in the slicker area off the turn.




revjimk
March 02, 2018 at 01:55:49 PM
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Posted By: blazer00 on March 02 2018 at 11:48:49 AM

No doubt. But......he still looks a little ragged.....the car is "twitching" a lot, so they either need to tighten it up a bit or Sheldon needs to become a little smoother. Watching him when he gets off on his own the past couple nights it was obvious that his hands/elbows were doing a lot of moving with the wheel. It looked like the car was trying to get out from under him quite a bit. The car should be going straighter than it appeared to be. Loose is fast, but it can also be a handful, and risky. At least that's how I saw it.



Oh come on.... he's won half the WoO races

With all due respect,  do you think they're gonna hire you as crew chief?



revjimk
March 02, 2018 at 01:58:19 PM
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Posted By: MSPN on March 02 2018 at 09:32:36 AM

Haud's pass in his heat where he went from third to first (passing Schatz) in one corner had to be the move of the year.  Went high in 3 and 4 and then immediately cut to the bottom and flew by the Donald and slid him to finalize it in turns 1 and 2, a veteran move if I ever saw one, kid is the real deal.....



" the Donald"?????

Worst thing I've ever heard anyone say about Mr. Schatz... some respect, PLEASE!



heinen81
March 02, 2018 at 02:29:15 PM
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Posted By: MSPN on March 02 2018 at 01:03:06 PM

Schatz looks smoother because he is and could toss young Sheldon like a lawn dart.  Sheldon is a flyweight, Donnie is in very good shape and a much bigger guy.  The car is faster than Sheldon right now but this will change eventually, can't remember a youngster coming in and looking like a veteran so fast, more props to Baby Haud, what a future....



I'm still dying on the Donny "in very good shape" part. lololol




blazer00
March 03, 2018 at 12:53:50 AM
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Oh come on.... he's won half the WoO races

With all due respect,  do you think they're gonna hire you as crew chief?



Why be a smart ass? When I watch a race I notice things like that. Some things are pretty obvious, and some fans just watch. I keep tabs on who is running where.....how straight the car travels and I watch gaps between cars grow and shrink and who is running where. Don't get the full benefit of that with broadcasts, but enough to maybe see who the movers are, and where thay might make a pass. Night after night Schatz has the car running straighter than anybody else. That's a combination of car set up, and his ability to use the right foot in conjunction with the line he's running. Most often early on, low to middle groove where there's moisture. Drivers do develop certain techniques, wouldn't you agree with that? And a car behving in a certain manner can indicate loose or tight. Certainly you can see that, and you're not a crew chief, either.Smile And I doubt you are applying anywhere for the position, either. With all due respect of course. Smile



revjimk
March 03, 2018 at 01:50:56 AM
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Posted By: blazer00 on March 03 2018 at 12:53:50 AM

Why be a smart ass? When I watch a race I notice things like that. Some things are pretty obvious, and some fans just watch. I keep tabs on who is running where.....how straight the car travels and I watch gaps between cars grow and shrink and who is running where. Don't get the full benefit of that with broadcasts, but enough to maybe see who the movers are, and where thay might make a pass. Night after night Schatz has the car running straighter than anybody else. That's a combination of car set up, and his ability to use the right foot in conjunction with the line he's running. Most often early on, low to middle groove where there's moisture. Drivers do develop certain techniques, wouldn't you agree with that? And a car behving in a certain manner can indicate loose or tight. Certainly you can see that, and you're not a crew chief, either.Smile And I doubt you are applying anywhere for the position, either. With all due respect of course. Smile



You're right, I was being a smart ass. But my point was just that winning speaks for itself... doesn't have to look perfect, just get to the finish line sooner than the other guys





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