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Dryslick Willie
September 30, 2017 at 07:39:09 AM
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Was it Egras who predicted 15 wins for Gravel this year?    If not Egras, then someone here is looking brilliant for making that prediction.    Years not over either, he could get another win or three.     Very impressed with what Gravel has done.    I wish he had run a smarter race at Knoxville and maybe he could have gotten that one too...




dsc1600
September 30, 2017 at 10:58:16 AM
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If they line up the dash by points, he’ll be starting outside pole. Will be tough to beat tonight.



sprintman11
October 01, 2017 at 08:54:18 AM
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50k last night!! Love where this team is at!! Great job 5 teamSmile



egras
October 01, 2017 at 09:24:33 AM
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This message was edited on October 01, 2017 at 09:25:44 AM by egras
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Posted By: Dryslick Willie on September 30 2017 at 07:39:09 AM

Was it Egras who predicted 15 wins for Gravel this year?    If not Egras, then someone here is looking brilliant for making that prediction.    Years not over either, he could get another win or three.     Very impressed with what Gravel has done.    I wish he had run a smarter race at Knoxville and maybe he could have gotten that one too...



It was me.....careful with the brilliant statement though......you are starting to sound like my wife!!  Smile

 

I was only 1/2 right though.  I predicted he would also win the championship.  Not gonna happen this year.  He made some huge strides though over last year.  The 15 was capable of running top 5 at 90% of the races.  The 5 disappeared at a lot of tracks.  But man was he fun to watch when he was in the hunt.  One of the best WOO races I have ever witnessed in person was the July Wilmot race.  He put on a display.  He is really, really close to giving Schatz the business.  He MAY even be able to pass him for the most wins this year yet.  It's a long shot but could happen.

 

So, predictions for 2018?  I'll give mine.....seemed to work last year!   David wins 20 and his first WOO championship!  

 

Thoughts?



blazer00
October 01, 2017 at 09:44:04 AM
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Posted By: egras on October 01 2017 at 09:24:33 AM

It was me.....careful with the brilliant statement though......you are starting to sound like my wife!!  Smile

 

I was only 1/2 right though.  I predicted he would also win the championship.  Not gonna happen this year.  He made some huge strides though over last year.  The 15 was capable of running top 5 at 90% of the races.  The 5 disappeared at a lot of tracks.  But man was he fun to watch when he was in the hunt.  One of the best WOO races I have ever witnessed in person was the July Wilmot race.  He put on a display.  He is really, really close to giving Schatz the business.  He MAY even be able to pass him for the most wins this year yet.  It's a long shot but could happen.

 

So, predictions for 2018?  I'll give mine.....seemed to work last year!   David wins 20 and his first WOO championship!  

 

Thoughts?



One of my predictions for next year is this.......regarding Gravel, changes in the team during the off season will cause a set back. I think he will win a fewer number of races and still run second in season points because of changes that dramatically affect other WoO teams, also. Schatz will still be the man in 2018.



egras
October 01, 2017 at 09:51:20 AM
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Posted By: blazer00 on October 01 2017 at 09:44:04 AM

One of my predictions for next year is this.......regarding Gravel, changes in the team during the off season will cause a set back. I think he will win a fewer number of races and still run second in season points because of changes that dramatically affect other WoO teams, also. Schatz will still be the man in 2018.



Your prediction sounds more reasonable.  Mine is simply a guess that gives me a 20% chance of looking "brilliant" again.  wink



dsc1600
October 01, 2017 at 11:12:35 AM
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Given the Gravel team is based in PA and can stay in the shop the next few weeks, I think he’s the man to beat in New York and Port Royal. Then agajn Schatz is really good up there too.



revjimk
October 01, 2017 at 02:26:10 PM
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Yep, he's good!



Dryslick Willie
October 01, 2017 at 02:51:36 PM
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Posted By: egras on October 01 2017 at 09:24:33 AM

It was me.....careful with the brilliant statement though......you are starting to sound like my wife!!  Smile

 

I was only 1/2 right though.  I predicted he would also win the championship.  Not gonna happen this year.  He made some huge strides though over last year.  The 15 was capable of running top 5 at 90% of the races.  The 5 disappeared at a lot of tracks.  But man was he fun to watch when he was in the hunt.  One of the best WOO races I have ever witnessed in person was the July Wilmot race.  He put on a display.  He is really, really close to giving Schatz the business.  He MAY even be able to pass him for the most wins this year yet.  It's a long shot but could happen.

 

So, predictions for 2018?  I'll give mine.....seemed to work last year!   David wins 20 and his first WOO championship!  

 

Thoughts?



I have no reason to doubt your brilliance Egras!   We'll visit this topic towards the end of next season, and personally I hope you're right.   And I hope two of those wins are A-mains at the Knoxville Nationals, a qualifying night and the final night.   I'm not sure if Blazer knows something about the team that the rest of us don't, but losing his crew chief would be a setback.    



blazer00
October 01, 2017 at 03:28:52 PM
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Posted By: Dryslick Willie on October 01 2017 at 02:51:36 PM

I have no reason to doubt your brilliance Egras!   We'll visit this topic towards the end of next season, and personally I hope you're right.   And I hope two of those wins are A-mains at the Knoxville Nationals, a qualifying night and the final night.   I'm not sure if Blazer knows something about the team that the rest of us don't, but losing his crew chief would be a setback.    



I don't at this time know anything in regards to pending changes, my prediction is based on this. Whenever a team makes an impressive  gain in wins or points from one season to the next, other teams look hard at all the team members involved in the results. I wouldn't be surprised if a member or two of the #5 team don't get lured away. After all, gains in success are not attributed to only the driver. Especially today. And one change in a team can create a void. If nothing changes within the team then I'd say egras is probably again right on the money. The toughest part of course will be getting the title away from Schatz. I think many of us are already anticipating changes taking place in other existing teams. So a two team race is very likely.



dsc1600
October 01, 2017 at 04:00:44 PM
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According Jeremy Eliott’s website, Jackson is still deciding if the team will follow the Outlaws, giving the Mansfield 100k deal and the effort it takes to follow the tour and how hard it is to get crew guys to commit the whole year. Not sure if it was end of year bluffing or real, but could be interesting.



egras
October 02, 2017 at 07:56:50 AM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on October 01 2017 at 04:00:44 PM

According Jeremy Eliott’s website, Jackson is still deciding if the team will follow the Outlaws, giving the Mansfield 100k deal and the effort it takes to follow the tour and how hard it is to get crew guys to commit the whole year. Not sure if it was end of year bluffing or real, but could be interesting.



I understand if just couldn't make it work.  However, that would be unfortunate.  It would end up being one of those "what if" stories.  Here's hoping they can make it a go! 



DakotaDude
October 14, 2017 at 12:56:00 PM
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Posted By: blazer00 on October 01 2017 at 03:28:52 PM

I don't at this time know anything in regards to pending changes, my prediction is based on this. Whenever a team makes an impressive  gain in wins or points from one season to the next, other teams look hard at all the team members involved in the results. I wouldn't be surprised if a member or two of the #5 team don't get lured away. After all, gains in success are not attributed to only the driver. Especially today. And one change in a team can create a void. If nothing changes within the team then I'd say egras is probably again right on the money. The toughest part of course will be getting the title away from Schatz. I think many of us are already anticipating changes taking place in other existing teams. So a two team race is very likely.



Team press release today from CJB Facebook post says entire team, driver, crew chief, sponsors, etc is signed , sealed and delivered for 2018run at the title. (I don’t know how to copy that link here sorry). Appears from the release that they obviously know where they need to be better to beat Shatz, being more consistent on nights they aren’t contending for the checkered and making a bad night still a top 5 or close to it. I, personally think he will make a good run at it. They also, in my mind, have figured out the main way to stay with and possibly beat Shatz...consistency IN THE TEAM and on the track, keeping the team, etc together as long as possible. Teams that change drivers, crew chiefs, cars, etc all the time have no chance whatsoever at beating Shatz. Only a Couple racers I can recall that could move his seat around all the time and be a winner...Wolfgang comes to mind from the Old school and Kyle Larson from recent. Of course their are others, but lightning in a bottle happens rarely. Either way in the Gravel /Shatz debate I’m sitting pretty as I have Gravel and Shatz shirts in the closet and root for both of em. 



egras
October 14, 2017 at 01:21:24 PM
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Posted By: DakotaDude on October 14 2017 at 12:56:00 PM

Team press release today from CJB Facebook post says entire team, driver, crew chief, sponsors, etc is signed , sealed and delivered for 2018run at the title. (I don’t know how to copy that link here sorry). Appears from the release that they obviously know where they need to be better to beat Shatz, being more consistent on nights they aren’t contending for the checkered and making a bad night still a top 5 or close to it. I, personally think he will make a good run at it. They also, in my mind, have figured out the main way to stay with and possibly beat Shatz...consistency IN THE TEAM and on the track, keeping the team, etc together as long as possible. Teams that change drivers, crew chiefs, cars, etc all the time have no chance whatsoever at beating Shatz. Only a Couple racers I can recall that could move his seat around all the time and be a winner...Wolfgang comes to mind from the Old school and Kyle Larson from recent. Of course their are others, but lightning in a bottle happens rarely. Either way in the Gravel /Shatz debate I’m sitting pretty as I have Gravel and Shatz shirts in the closet and root for both of em. 



You should bring both shirts to every show.  You can run down to the bathroom and change under yellows depending on who is leading Smile

 

On a serious note, that is good news and I agree with you---he will have his best chance if all the pieces remain in place.  Obviously, they will have to improve some--but not much as they are almost there!  Good to see!



blazer00
October 14, 2017 at 03:50:31 PM
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Posted By: DakotaDude on October 14 2017 at 12:56:00 PM

Team press release today from CJB Facebook post says entire team, driver, crew chief, sponsors, etc is signed , sealed and delivered for 2018run at the title. (I don’t know how to copy that link here sorry). Appears from the release that they obviously know where they need to be better to beat Shatz, being more consistent on nights they aren’t contending for the checkered and making a bad night still a top 5 or close to it. I, personally think he will make a good run at it. They also, in my mind, have figured out the main way to stay with and possibly beat Shatz...consistency IN THE TEAM and on the track, keeping the team, etc together as long as possible. Teams that change drivers, crew chiefs, cars, etc all the time have no chance whatsoever at beating Shatz. Only a Couple racers I can recall that could move his seat around all the time and be a winner...Wolfgang comes to mind from the Old school and Kyle Larson from recent. Of course their are others, but lightning in a bottle happens rarely. Either way in the Gravel /Shatz debate I’m sitting pretty as I have Gravel and Shatz shirts in the closet and root for both of em. 



Good deal! They are going the right direction if they want to be a real threat to win the championship. Even then, it can and will still be a hell of a challenge. There have been teams in the past that had strong runs in Kinser's era and solid teams that stuck together and still couldn't get the job done. The years that Haude was in the Penzoil #22 car were some darn good years. He won every big race there was at least once except for the Knoxville Nationals and some of the big ones two and three times in the #22, but couldn't string enough wins and top five finishes to ever contend for the title. Haude's best win total in the #22 for a season I think was eleven. Gravel seems to be able to put enough wins up right now, but needs to focus on top fives. All this talk of Gravel and yet Sweet is 2nd in points with just five wins. I personaly think Sweet is an equal threat if things remain the same there, also. Staying in the hunt, top five, will bring wins to the table for Sweet, and yet eliminate the need for big win totals. Remember when Pittman won the title with just eight wins on the season? Schatz had twenty-three wins and finished second. I have no problem with consistancy winning titles. That usually makes for a tighter points race in the end. The key with both Gravel and Sweet is this......their team owners had better understand that an off year doesn't mean scrap the team! Both teams are still young, and to expect the #15 team to slide backwards to them isn't very likely at this time. A couple times Wolfgang was hired to win the WoO championship, and both times he finished second to Kinser. Both times he was fired. No wonder he got a bad taste in his mouth for the big sponsor deals. Had he been given the opportunity at a second or third year deal, who knows. One of those teams did go on to win a title.....they hired Karl and Steve....the Gambler House car. A footnote to Wolfgang.....he's pretty proud of the fact that every team (except Gambler House car) he ever drove for had their best seasons with him in the car, and nothing close to that after he left. And some of those runs as we know are runs that any driver would cherrish!





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