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On ESPN Sportscenter Ricky Craven continued the tradition of Nascar analysts not knowing a F$%&6g thing about the drivers in their sport---following in the footsteps of the Waltrip brothers. I turned on Sportscenter to see if Kyle winning the Michigan race after a runner up at Knoxville would bring some more national attention to the Nationals.
I am going to paraphrase this since I watched it once and did not record:
He first states how shocking it was to see Kyle pass Martin on a late restart---you know, with Martin being the most dominant driver in all of Nascar. (Martin 4 wins and 1 runner-up finish. Kyle 3 wins and 8 runner-up finishes. Dominant)
2nd--while rolling his eyes and giving smart-ass grins, he tells us how fortunate Kyle is that Chip allows Kyle to "Play" on the weekends. He called the Knoxville Nationals "The Little League World Series of Racing".
Lastly, he is amazed at how this kid has flown under the radar--no one saw him coming. Really Ricky? He's already smoked your win total in every series in Nascar and has just gotten started. No one saw him coming? No one with their heads up their asses. Anyone who knows anything about racing saw him coming.
Nascar---if you want any REAL racing fans to take you seriously ever again, hire analysts that support grass roots racing (not little league racing) and do some actual work to prepare themselves to talk about the drivers in the sport. Or better yet, watch actual racing. Kyle is trying to give you actual racing and you all have your heads up Jr's ass.
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Posted By: egras on August 13 2017 at 07:20:36 PM
On ESPN Sportscenter Ricky Craven continued the tradition of Nascar analysts not knowing a F$%&6g thing about the drivers in their sport---following in the footsteps of the Waltrip brothers. I turned on Sportscenter to see if Kyle winning the Michigan race after a runner up at Knoxville would bring some more national attention to the Nationals.
I am going to paraphrase this since I watched it once and did not record:
He first states how shocking it was to see Kyle pass Martin on a late restart---you know, with Martin being the most dominant driver in all of Nascar. (Martin 4 wins and 1 runner-up finish. Kyle 3 wins and 8 runner-up finishes. Dominant)
2nd--while rolling his eyes and giving smart-ass grins, he tells us how fortunate Kyle is that Chip allows Kyle to "Play" on the weekends. He called the Knoxville Nationals "The Little League World Series of Racing".
Lastly, he is amazed at how this kid has flown under the radar--no one saw him coming. Really Ricky? He's already smoked your win total in every series in Nascar and has just gotten started. No one saw him coming? No one with their heads up their asses. Anyone who knows anything about racing saw him coming.
Nascar---if you want any REAL racing fans to take you seriously ever again, hire analysts that support grass roots racing (not little league racing) and do some actual work to prepare themselves to talk about the drivers in the sport. Or better yet, watch actual racing. Kyle is trying to give you actual racing and you all have your heads up Jr's ass.
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I wouldn't spend any time worrying about Ricky Craven. Even among NASCAR analysts he's fairly insignificant, just like he was as a driver. Beyond that, sprint car racing will never get any real respect from the NASCAR and IndyCar elitists. What matters here is what Chip Ganassi thinks, to hell with Craven.
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As goofy as he is at times, I think that Kenny Wallace is very respectful of grass roots racing. I'm certain that they all don't look down on it, but I'm with you when some of them do talk smack.
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Who the he** was Ricky craven. NOBODY, but I do agree, nascrap will not talk about sprint car racing. There probably still trying to figure out why the truck race at eldora probably is the largest attended event the truck series has.
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Posted By: egras on August 13 2017 at 07:20:36 PM
On ESPN Sportscenter Ricky Craven continued the tradition of Nascar analysts not knowing a F$%&6g thing about the drivers in their sport---following in the footsteps of the Waltrip brothers. I turned on Sportscenter to see if Kyle winning the Michigan race after a runner up at Knoxville would bring some more national attention to the Nationals.
I am going to paraphrase this since I watched it once and did not record:
He first states how shocking it was to see Kyle pass Martin on a late restart---you know, with Martin being the most dominant driver in all of Nascar. (Martin 4 wins and 1 runner-up finish. Kyle 3 wins and 8 runner-up finishes. Dominant)
2nd--while rolling his eyes and giving smart-ass grins, he tells us how fortunate Kyle is that Chip allows Kyle to "Play" on the weekends. He called the Knoxville Nationals "The Little League World Series of Racing".
Lastly, he is amazed at how this kid has flown under the radar--no one saw him coming. Really Ricky? He's already smoked your win total in every series in Nascar and has just gotten started. No one saw him coming? No one with their heads up their asses. Anyone who knows anything about racing saw him coming.
Nascar---if you want any REAL racing fans to take you seriously ever again, hire analysts that support grass roots racing (not little league racing) and do some actual work to prepare themselves to talk about the drivers in the sport. Or better yet, watch actual racing. Kyle is trying to give you actual racing and you all have your heads up Jr's ass.
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This is a borrowed phrase......"drivers like Craven and most of those guys couldn't drive a sharp stick up a donkey's asshole when it comes to driving a sprint car!"
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It's annoying he would feel the need to demean it, as even he has people who listen to him.
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Posted By: dsc1600 on August 13 2017 at 08:39:02 PM
It's annoying he would feel the need to demean it, as even he has people who listen to him.
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Correct. If you can see the look on his face as he comments on it you would see what I mean. Almost like he can't believe any NASCAR star should stoop to the level of entertaining peasants by playing in the sandbox with us. He missed the boat when it comes to cross-promotion of our sport which is racing in general. He had the opportunity to explain the enormous talent of a driver who can go back and forth and run totally different cars at the highest levels in their respective racing disciplines. Instead, the Superbowl of sprint car racing becomes a little league game. Complete dip$hit!
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Posted By: egras on August 13 2017 at 07:20:36 PM
On ESPN Sportscenter Ricky Craven continued the tradition of Nascar analysts not knowing a F$%&6g thing about the drivers in their sport---following in the footsteps of the Waltrip brothers. I turned on Sportscenter to see if Kyle winning the Michigan race after a runner up at Knoxville would bring some more national attention to the Nationals.
I am going to paraphrase this since I watched it once and did not record:
He first states how shocking it was to see Kyle pass Martin on a late restart---you know, with Martin being the most dominant driver in all of Nascar. (Martin 4 wins and 1 runner-up finish. Kyle 3 wins and 8 runner-up finishes. Dominant)
2nd--while rolling his eyes and giving smart-ass grins, he tells us how fortunate Kyle is that Chip allows Kyle to "Play" on the weekends. He called the Knoxville Nationals "The Little League World Series of Racing".
Lastly, he is amazed at how this kid has flown under the radar--no one saw him coming. Really Ricky? He's already smoked your win total in every series in Nascar and has just gotten started. No one saw him coming? No one with their heads up their asses. Anyone who knows anything about racing saw him coming.
Nascar---if you want any REAL racing fans to take you seriously ever again, hire analysts that support grass roots racing (not little league racing) and do some actual work to prepare themselves to talk about the drivers in the sport. Or better yet, watch actual racing. Kyle is trying to give you actual racing and you all have your heads up Jr's ass.
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I'm going to start by saying that I'm not trying to be an ass with what I'm saying but I disagree with some of what you're saying. I'd like to see the clip of this, (I tried to find it but couldn't). Back when Craven was driving for Hendrick I saw an interview where he said that him and Jeff Gordon were good friends and he was very good. I would have to assume IF they were really good friends that he knew Gordon's background and how Gordon came from sprint cars too.
Despite the race ending stats that you gave, if you don't believe Truex has been the most dominant car, you haven't been watching. He's been fast everywhere. Even Chip Ganassi said today how they have struggled the last little bit. Check out the stage win stats, that to me is much more of an indicator how fast he's been.
Again, I'd like to see the video to see his facial expressions you talk about. I agree that Kyle is really lucky that Chip Ganassi did let him race. I know as sprint car fans we were all excited to see him do this and it may be his best chance ever to do this. However this might be his best chance ever to win a cup title. I'm glad he raced but if I was Ganassi I don't think I would have let him race. Chip pays him much more money and they also need to find a sponsor for next year. Also the cup championship pays WAY more than the $150,000 he would've gotten to win the nationals
As far as sprint car racing being called "little league racing". Any way you want to look at it whether you like it or not, NASCAR is the biggest and most watched series out there (I've heard F1 is and that might be true too, since it's world wide). I guess my point is that any other series could be considered "little leage racing", whether it be the xfinity series, truck series, indy cars, sprint cars, or late models.
Personally I did not have high hopes for Kyle Larson when he entered the cup series. I'm not saying this because he's not talented. But first off I thought he was rushed in to the cup series too fast, he had a partial year in trucks then one full year in the xfinity series without winning, basically he had a year and a half of experience driving with fenders and now he's going to run with the best, remember Steve Kinser didn't make it in NASCAR. The other reason I doubted his success was he was driving for Chip Ganassi, his cars hadn't been terribly competitive for 10-15 years. I fully expected him to drive for 2-3 years until the next can't miss prospect came along and he would be gone (Casey Atwood comes to mind).
I think it's a little unfair to call sprint car fans the only "real race fans". There's many different kinds of racing and I don't know how you can determine what is real racing and what is not. I have had many arguments with people who try to tell me that drag racing is the only kind of racing there is and how it's much harder to drive a drag car than a dirt car. I'm not saying I agree with that just saying that everyone has different opinions.
I have to say I agree with what most everyone else is saying "who cares?" I don't know how you can ask NASCAR to do anything about this since I don't think they have anything to do with ABCESPN. Personally I don't expect much from anyone with ESPN, remember Cris Carter, Ray Lewis? Ricky Craven is not Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson Tony Stewart or Even Dale Jr. (I can sense you don't like him but he's done a lot for the sport including bringing a lot of talented drivers in). I guess I would classify Craven as a never was. Sorry just a difference of opinion.
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Posted By: hardon on August 13 2017 at 11:39:13 PM
I'm going to start by saying that I'm not trying to be an ass with what I'm saying but I disagree with some of what you're saying. I'd like to see the clip of this, (I tried to find it but couldn't). Back when Craven was driving for Hendrick I saw an interview where he said that him and Jeff Gordon were good friends and he was very good. I would have to assume IF they were really good friends that he knew Gordon's background and how Gordon came from sprint cars too.
Despite the race ending stats that you gave, if you don't believe Truex has been the most dominant car, you haven't been watching. He's been fast everywhere. Even Chip Ganassi said today how they have struggled the last little bit. Check out the stage win stats, that to me is much more of an indicator how fast he's been.
Again, I'd like to see the video to see his facial expressions you talk about. I agree that Kyle is really lucky that Chip Ganassi did let him race. I know as sprint car fans we were all excited to see him do this and it may be his best chance ever to do this. However this might be his best chance ever to win a cup title. I'm glad he raced but if I was Ganassi I don't think I would have let him race. Chip pays him much more money and they also need to find a sponsor for next year. Also the cup championship pays WAY more than the $150,000 he would've gotten to win the nationals
As far as sprint car racing being called "little league racing". Any way you want to look at it whether you like it or not, NASCAR is the biggest and most watched series out there (I've heard F1 is and that might be true too, since it's world wide). I guess my point is that any other series could be considered "little leage racing", whether it be the xfinity series, truck series, indy cars, sprint cars, or late models.
Personally I did not have high hopes for Kyle Larson when he entered the cup series. I'm not saying this because he's not talented. But first off I thought he was rushed in to the cup series too fast, he had a partial year in trucks then one full year in the xfinity series without winning, basically he had a year and a half of experience driving with fenders and now he's going to run with the best, remember Steve Kinser didn't make it in NASCAR. The other reason I doubted his success was he was driving for Chip Ganassi, his cars hadn't been terribly competitive for 10-15 years. I fully expected him to drive for 2-3 years until the next can't miss prospect came along and he would be gone (Casey Atwood comes to mind).
I think it's a little unfair to call sprint car fans the only "real race fans". There's many different kinds of racing and I don't know how you can determine what is real racing and what is not. I have had many arguments with people who try to tell me that drag racing is the only kind of racing there is and how it's much harder to drive a drag car than a dirt car. I'm not saying I agree with that just saying that everyone has different opinions.
I have to say I agree with what most everyone else is saying "who cares?" I don't know how you can ask NASCAR to do anything about this since I don't think they have anything to do with ABCESPN. Personally I don't expect much from anyone with ESPN, remember Cris Carter, Ray Lewis? Ricky Craven is not Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson Tony Stewart or Even Dale Jr. (I can sense you don't like him but he's done a lot for the sport including bringing a lot of talented drivers in). I guess I would classify Craven as a never was. Sorry just a difference of opinion.
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"remember Steve Kinser didn't make it in NASCAR"........quoting you.....Do you suppose that maybe, if Kinser had had the opportunity to try NASCAR well before the age of 41, that things might have been different for him? Good grief!
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His age had nothing to do with it. He didn't make it because the Kenny Bernstein car he was driving was not very good. I think there was a perception because Steve won the IROC race at Talledega that he could just come in and go right to the front. If you remember they replaced him with Hut Stricklin who did a little better in the car, but then the team pretty much folded after that.
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Posted By: hardon on August 13 2017 at 11:39:13 PM
I'm going to start by saying that I'm not trying to be an ass with what I'm saying but I disagree with some of what you're saying. I'd like to see the clip of this, (I tried to find it but couldn't). Back when Craven was driving for Hendrick I saw an interview where he said that him and Jeff Gordon were good friends and he was very good. I would have to assume IF they were really good friends that he knew Gordon's background and how Gordon came from sprint cars too.
Despite the race ending stats that you gave, if you don't believe Truex has been the most dominant car, you haven't been watching. He's been fast everywhere. Even Chip Ganassi said today how they have struggled the last little bit. Check out the stage win stats, that to me is much more of an indicator how fast he's been.
Again, I'd like to see the video to see his facial expressions you talk about. I agree that Kyle is really lucky that Chip Ganassi did let him race. I know as sprint car fans we were all excited to see him do this and it may be his best chance ever to do this. However this might be his best chance ever to win a cup title. I'm glad he raced but if I was Ganassi I don't think I would have let him race. Chip pays him much more money and they also need to find a sponsor for next year. Also the cup championship pays WAY more than the $150,000 he would've gotten to win the nationals
As far as sprint car racing being called "little league racing". Any way you want to look at it whether you like it or not, NASCAR is the biggest and most watched series out there (I've heard F1 is and that might be true too, since it's world wide). I guess my point is that any other series could be considered "little leage racing", whether it be the xfinity series, truck series, indy cars, sprint cars, or late models.
Personally I did not have high hopes for Kyle Larson when he entered the cup series. I'm not saying this because he's not talented. But first off I thought he was rushed in to the cup series too fast, he had a partial year in trucks then one full year in the xfinity series without winning, basically he had a year and a half of experience driving with fenders and now he's going to run with the best, remember Steve Kinser didn't make it in NASCAR. The other reason I doubted his success was he was driving for Chip Ganassi, his cars hadn't been terribly competitive for 10-15 years. I fully expected him to drive for 2-3 years until the next can't miss prospect came along and he would be gone (Casey Atwood comes to mind).
I think it's a little unfair to call sprint car fans the only "real race fans". There's many different kinds of racing and I don't know how you can determine what is real racing and what is not. I have had many arguments with people who try to tell me that drag racing is the only kind of racing there is and how it's much harder to drive a drag car than a dirt car. I'm not saying I agree with that just saying that everyone has different opinions.
I have to say I agree with what most everyone else is saying "who cares?" I don't know how you can ask NASCAR to do anything about this since I don't think they have anything to do with ABCESPN. Personally I don't expect much from anyone with ESPN, remember Cris Carter, Ray Lewis? Ricky Craven is not Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson Tony Stewart or Even Dale Jr. (I can sense you don't like him but he's done a lot for the sport including bringing a lot of talented drivers in). I guess I would classify Craven as a never was. Sorry just a difference of opinion.
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Speaking to your seond last paragraph I would say that all forms of racing are niche sports, and have niche sport fanbases. What I mean by "niche sport fanbase" is a fanbase that is very close, passionate, aggressively defensive towards any criticism, and sometimes not the most friendly to outsiders. You can see this a lot with other sports that aren't the big three (football, baseball, basketball). There are so many forms of motorsports that some of the fans are inherently competitive with one another.
Personally I like pretty much all forms of racing and think that a lot of race fans are just like me. There are a few though who I can't stand, and those are the people that are dismissive of another form of racing just because it isn't their favorite kind. If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Blazer, it's not impossible for one of the big three to not be successful at something. You don't have to get your hackles up immediately when someone brings up that Kinser wasn't successful in NASCAR. He wasn't. Maybe it was the age, or the fact that he was in an average car, or wasn't given enough of a chance to actually settle in the seat, but he wasn't successful. No one said he wasn't the best on dirt.
And as for Ricky Craven, at one time he was looked at as a good, young, up-and-comer, but unfortunately some bad crashes kinda took the steam out of that. I would like to have seen where his career would have gone if he didn't have those bad wrecks, and then take the R&D ride at Hendrick (Budweiser 25).
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Posted By: hardon on August 13 2017 at 11:39:13 PM
I'm going to start by saying that I'm not trying to be an ass with what I'm saying but I disagree with some of what you're saying. I'd like to see the clip of this, (I tried to find it but couldn't). Back when Craven was driving for Hendrick I saw an interview where he said that him and Jeff Gordon were good friends and he was very good. I would have to assume IF they were really good friends that he knew Gordon's background and how Gordon came from sprint cars too.
Despite the race ending stats that you gave, if you don't believe Truex has been the most dominant car, you haven't been watching. He's been fast everywhere. Even Chip Ganassi said today how they have struggled the last little bit. Check out the stage win stats, that to me is much more of an indicator how fast he's been.
Again, I'd like to see the video to see his facial expressions you talk about. I agree that Kyle is really lucky that Chip Ganassi did let him race. I know as sprint car fans we were all excited to see him do this and it may be his best chance ever to do this. However this might be his best chance ever to win a cup title. I'm glad he raced but if I was Ganassi I don't think I would have let him race. Chip pays him much more money and they also need to find a sponsor for next year. Also the cup championship pays WAY more than the $150,000 he would've gotten to win the nationals
As far as sprint car racing being called "little league racing". Any way you want to look at it whether you like it or not, NASCAR is the biggest and most watched series out there (I've heard F1 is and that might be true too, since it's world wide). I guess my point is that any other series could be considered "little leage racing", whether it be the xfinity series, truck series, indy cars, sprint cars, or late models.
Personally I did not have high hopes for Kyle Larson when he entered the cup series. I'm not saying this because he's not talented. But first off I thought he was rushed in to the cup series too fast, he had a partial year in trucks then one full year in the xfinity series without winning, basically he had a year and a half of experience driving with fenders and now he's going to run with the best, remember Steve Kinser didn't make it in NASCAR. The other reason I doubted his success was he was driving for Chip Ganassi, his cars hadn't been terribly competitive for 10-15 years. I fully expected him to drive for 2-3 years until the next can't miss prospect came along and he would be gone (Casey Atwood comes to mind).
I think it's a little unfair to call sprint car fans the only "real race fans". There's many different kinds of racing and I don't know how you can determine what is real racing and what is not. I have had many arguments with people who try to tell me that drag racing is the only kind of racing there is and how it's much harder to drive a drag car than a dirt car. I'm not saying I agree with that just saying that everyone has different opinions.
I have to say I agree with what most everyone else is saying "who cares?" I don't know how you can ask NASCAR to do anything about this since I don't think they have anything to do with ABCESPN. Personally I don't expect much from anyone with ESPN, remember Cris Carter, Ray Lewis? Ricky Craven is not Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson Tony Stewart or Even Dale Jr. (I can sense you don't like him but he's done a lot for the sport including bringing a lot of talented drivers in). I guess I would classify Craven as a never was. Sorry just a difference of opinion.
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Thanks for your respectful response.
If you could have seen his face while he called the Knoxville Nationals the Little League World Series of racing you would have known why I was instantly offended. He was not only demeaning the sport but the fans that follow it. You could probably read his comments in text and it wouldn't even bother you. Sometimes you need to see the delivery to understand the full meaning. (that is why texting is a poor form of communication as sarcasm and emotion are usually misunderstood)
The Knoxville Nationals are a professional sporting event for the drivers at the highest level of their sport. The Little League World Series is for kids---most of whom will never see a minor league field let alone a major league field. He made a very poor analogy. I wouldn't even consider it a minor leagues for Nascar---that's what the truck and Xfinity series are. It's a completely different form of professional racing---even if the multi-million dollar TV contract isn't in place.
As far as Truex's dominance of Nascar--still disagree with you. This is more of a "what have you done for me lately?" deal. There have been 23 points races so far (if I counted correctly). In the first 19 races of the season, The USA Today ran an article (which I cannot find now) titled something like (not verbatum) "Kyle Larson dominating nascar-and it's not even close) In the last 4 races, Kyle has not finished well, he was docked points for post-race inspection, and Martin picked up a couple of wins. That changes everyone's perspective real quick. I can assure you Martin is not dominating Kyle by any stretch. Their average finishes are almost identical. If we can say Truex should have more wins but had some bad luck, we can just as well say Kyle has should have more wins and has had some bad luck. They both COULD have 5 or 6 wins this year---and maybe Kyle even more. He has been in position to win more times than Truex has.
To me, Craven as an analyst for Nascar is like Trent Dilfer analyzing the NFL. That said, he is still the voice ESPN chose and it's unfortunate they couldn't have chosen an actual racing veteran who is also a racing fan.
Finally, I know we are lucky Chip let him race the Nationals--as it was not allowed in his contract. As far as being lucky to see him the rest of the year in a sprint car, we aren't just lucky. Kyle refused to sign a deal that did not allow him to race sprint cars. Chip doesn't have to allow him to, he can't do anything about it. Chip knew he had no choice but to let Kyle run Saturday night at Knoxville. It was a win-win for publicity and he knew this was Kyle's best chance to win a race he really wanted to win. He couldn't say no to him.
Anyways, your opinions are valid----I just wish you could've seen Craven's delivery. You would see what I am talking about.
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on August 14 2017 at 06:22:19 AM
Speaking to your seond last paragraph I would say that all forms of racing are niche sports, and have niche sport fanbases. What I mean by "niche sport fanbase" is a fanbase that is very close, passionate, aggressively defensive towards any criticism, and sometimes not the most friendly to outsiders. You can see this a lot with other sports that aren't the big three (football, baseball, basketball). There are so many forms of motorsports that some of the fans are inherently competitive with one another.
Personally I like pretty much all forms of racing and think that a lot of race fans are just like me. There are a few though who I can't stand, and those are the people that are dismissive of another form of racing just because it isn't their favorite kind. If you don't like it, don't watch it.
Blazer, it's not impossible for one of the big three to not be successful at something. You don't have to get your hackles up immediately when someone brings up that Kinser wasn't successful in NASCAR. He wasn't. Maybe it was the age, or the fact that he was in an average car, or wasn't given enough of a chance to actually settle in the seat, but he wasn't successful. No one said he wasn't the best on dirt.
And as for Ricky Craven, at one time he was looked at as a good, young, up-and-comer, but unfortunately some bad crashes kinda took the steam out of that. I would like to have seen where his career would have gone if he didn't have those bad wrecks, and then take the R&D ride at Hendrick (Budweiser 25).
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"Hackles" weren't up at all! And I've defended drivers from all eras current and past when a short unthoughtout statement has been made. Hell, Kinser might never have been good in NASCAR. But the chance he had sure sucked! Sammy wasn't worth a shit in the trucks and Doug admitted he couldn't drive the NASCAR cars "worth a shit" to quote him. It's natural for those race fans who live in an era that have not witnessed previous eras, to hold their generation of drivers above all others. And yeh, vice versa. I do a pretty good job of weighing the statitics, the situation and circumstances when I voice an opinion. I don't have blinders on when it comes to the "big 3". There are several drivers now reaching the ends of careers that will be in the NSCHoF. Their statistics will place them in the correct order of greatness with other hall of famers based on their achievments, as it should be. But I do think the current crop of drivers need to put together the stats that will make them hall of famers, rather than to declare them as such because of a hot streak or one strong season! The beauty of the past is that it sets the benchmark for greatness. The beauty of the future is watching and waiting for it to unfold. Donny Schatz has done things that most fans said could never be done again, and that's win races and championships on a par with Steve Kinser. Well, he has! Will there be another "Donny Schatz"? Most fans are going to say no. But if there is......the generation that lives it will then be able to discount both Kinser and Schatz as being as good as "their driver". Funny how that works! LOL
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Posted By: alum.427 on August 13 2017 at 08:13:14 PM
Who the he** was Ricky craven. NOBODY, but I do agree, nascrap will not talk about sprint car racing. There probably still trying to figure out why the truck race at eldora probably is the largest attended event the truck series has.
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He has always been a douche bag.
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Posted By: blazer00 on August 14 2017 at 02:43:40 AM
"remember Steve Kinser didn't make it in NASCAR"........quoting you.....Do you suppose that maybe, if Kinser had had the opportunity to try NASCAR well before the age of 41, that things might have been different for him? Good grief!
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Steve K. really never had a chance. Right after Steve signed the contract Kenny B. put the team up for sale. The employees started hunting for other jobs.
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Posted By: hardon on August 13 2017 at 11:39:13 PM
I'm going to start by saying that I'm not trying to be an ass with what I'm saying but I disagree with some of what you're saying. I'd like to see the clip of this, (I tried to find it but couldn't). Back when Craven was driving for Hendrick I saw an interview where he said that him and Jeff Gordon were good friends and he was very good. I would have to assume IF they were really good friends that he knew Gordon's background and how Gordon came from sprint cars too.
Despite the race ending stats that you gave, if you don't believe Truex has been the most dominant car, you haven't been watching. He's been fast everywhere. Even Chip Ganassi said today how they have struggled the last little bit. Check out the stage win stats, that to me is much more of an indicator how fast he's been.
Again, I'd like to see the video to see his facial expressions you talk about. I agree that Kyle is really lucky that Chip Ganassi did let him race. I know as sprint car fans we were all excited to see him do this and it may be his best chance ever to do this. However this might be his best chance ever to win a cup title. I'm glad he raced but if I was Ganassi I don't think I would have let him race. Chip pays him much more money and they also need to find a sponsor for next year. Also the cup championship pays WAY more than the $150,000 he would've gotten to win the nationals
As far as sprint car racing being called "little league racing". Any way you want to look at it whether you like it or not, NASCAR is the biggest and most watched series out there (I've heard F1 is and that might be true too, since it's world wide). I guess my point is that any other series could be considered "little leage racing", whether it be the xfinity series, truck series, indy cars, sprint cars, or late models.
Personally I did not have high hopes for Kyle Larson when he entered the cup series. I'm not saying this because he's not talented. But first off I thought he was rushed in to the cup series too fast, he had a partial year in trucks then one full year in the xfinity series without winning, basically he had a year and a half of experience driving with fenders and now he's going to run with the best, remember Steve Kinser didn't make it in NASCAR. The other reason I doubted his success was he was driving for Chip Ganassi, his cars hadn't been terribly competitive for 10-15 years. I fully expected him to drive for 2-3 years until the next can't miss prospect came along and he would be gone (Casey Atwood comes to mind).
I think it's a little unfair to call sprint car fans the only "real race fans". There's many different kinds of racing and I don't know how you can determine what is real racing and what is not. I have had many arguments with people who try to tell me that drag racing is the only kind of racing there is and how it's much harder to drive a drag car than a dirt car. I'm not saying I agree with that just saying that everyone has different opinions.
I have to say I agree with what most everyone else is saying "who cares?" I don't know how you can ask NASCAR to do anything about this since I don't think they have anything to do with ABCESPN. Personally I don't expect much from anyone with ESPN, remember Cris Carter, Ray Lewis? Ricky Craven is not Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson Tony Stewart or Even Dale Jr. (I can sense you don't like him but he's done a lot for the sport including bringing a lot of talented drivers in). I guess I would classify Craven as a never was. Sorry just a difference of opinion.
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Something to think about on Chip letting him race. This is contract year for Kyle and Kyle has said he is loyal to Chip for all he has done. If Chip lets him race that loyalty grows on both side of the coin and Kyle's popularity continues to grow. Chip don't let him race, Kyle calls Tony and starts contract talks with him. Just my two cents.
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"Hackles" weren't up at all! And I've defended drivers from all eras current and past when a short unthoughtout statement has been made. Hell, Kinser might never have been good in NASCAR. But the chance he had sure sucked! Sammy wasn't worth a shit in the trucks and Doug admitted he couldn't drive the NASCAR cars "worth a shit" to quote him. It's natural for those race fans who live in an era that have not witnessed previous eras, to hold their generation of drivers above all others. And yeh, vice versa. I do a pretty good job of weighing the statitics, the situation and circumstances when I voice an opinion. I don't have blinders on when it comes to the "big 3". There are several drivers now reaching the ends of careers that will be in the NSCHoF. Their statistics will place them in the correct order of greatness with other hall of famers based on their achievments, as it should be. But I do think the current crop of drivers need to put together the stats that will make them hall of famers, rather than to declare them as such because of a hot streak or one strong season! The beauty of the past is that it sets the benchmark for greatness. The beauty of the future is watching and waiting for it to unfold. Donny Schatz has done things that most fans said could never be done again, and that's win races and championships on a par with Steve Kinser. Well, he has! Will there be another "Donny Schatz"? Most fans are going to say no. But if there is......the generation that lives it will then be able to discount both Kinser and Schatz as being as good as "their driver". Funny how that works! LOL
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If they "need to put together the stats that will make them hall of famers" then give them some time.....
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If the Nationals are Little League, then I invite Ricky Craven to come to the 58th running of the Knoxville Nationals and let's see him put it in the A.
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on August 14 2017 at 05:04:24 PM
If they "need to put together the stats that will make them hall of famers" then give them some time.....
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I thought that was understood in the post......
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"The also rans that Schatz is facing today, that are suppose to be in the "toughest era ever" according to some, can't hardly squeak out a win in the Nationals at all" was a quote from you in another thread.
That doesn't sound like "give them time" it sounds more like, "I've reviewed all evidence and I am ready to make a judgment."
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